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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "I think the housing and hospital situation is much more important but a privileged twat like Ryan would rather waste time on his green agenda…. Look at the latest debacle of an idea the plastic bottle recycling system….another disaster"
The plastic bottle recycling system is good if people use it. I have been to my supermarket (major one )
Perhaps 15 times since it was introduced on 1st February. I pass the new recycling depot on the way in and on the way out. Not once have I seen anybody use it. However if its not used then customers are losing out as they are charged extra on purchases of cans and bottles but if they don't return them to the shop/ supermarket they will lose out. Maybe folk just can't be bothered returning their empties and are happy to get rid by putting them in their own recycling bin at home.
Maybe some may not realise they are been charged extra on those products.
It's no big deal really, just save them up and bring them back say once every 2 weeks when you go shopping. That way you won't pay more as you will get a refund.
This system is very much the norm across Europe so there is no good reason why we shouldn't use them and complain.

Magpie2 (Wexford) - Posts: 251 - 02/03/2024 14:47:09    2529227

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Half of them don't work…. Shops are starting not to stock the items as people are complaining when they can't get their refund…. What was wrong with using the green bin as normal…? Another government ( Greens ) f… up..

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 1871 - 02/03/2024 15:28:53    2529230

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "It is rather important"
Not to people who have uncertainty around employment, healthcare or housing.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 2621 - 02/03/2024 16:00:57    2529237

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "You can't be much more than 8 years old or so, if you think that the current Ireland soccer squad is potentially the best ever."
Depends how you define best.

We obviously performed well from 88-94, 02 and 2016 but were those players more talented?

That was the point of including the line about our lads playing at the top level. That just won't happen any more.

94 was our highest ever ranking but went out in the last 16.

Could this group achieve more potentially? I don't see why not with the right set up.

O'Neill and Keane did better than Charlton or Trap at euros with what can only be described as a bunch of journeymen

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 2621 - 02/03/2024 16:05:57    2529238

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "Depends how you define best.

We obviously performed well from 88-94, 02 and 2016 but were those players more talented?

That was the point of including the line about our lads playing at the top level. That just won't happen any more.

94 was our highest ever ranking but went out in the last 16.

Could this group achieve more potentially? I don't see why not with the right set up.

O'Neill and Keane did better than Charlton or Trap at euros with what can only be described as a bunch of journeymen"
Last line there isn't true either. Charlton was just 8mins away from a Euro Championship '88 semi, when Wim Kieft fluked the spinny header. O'Neill and Keane never got a sniff of that sort of relevance in the latter stage of a major tournament.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3410 - 02/03/2024 18:02:14    2529255

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "Last line there isn't true either. Charlton was just 8mins away from a Euro Championship '88 semi, when Wim Kieft fluked the spinny header. O'Neill and Keane never got a sniff of that sort of relevance in the latter stage of a major tournament."
Also Jack s team were one of only seven to qualify ( excluding the hosts ). O Neill and Keane had the luxury of 23 teams qualifying.

Rebel2020 (Cork) - Posts: 75 - 02/03/2024 19:28:26    2529262

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "Last line there isn't true either. Charlton was just 8mins away from a Euro Championship '88 semi, when Wim Kieft fluked the spinny header. O'Neill and Keane never got a sniff of that sort of relevance in the latter stage of a major tournament."
Euro '88 was only 8 teams too Pope Benedict. Much harder to qualify for and a very high standard of football in comparison to O'Neill's time in charge when we reached the Euros. Also it was much harder get out of the group at Euro '88. The finalists both came out of our group and we were very competitive with them. No Internet noise back then though. Hyping up Evan Ferguson as a 100m player when he can't get a regular start for Brighton. Or Kelleher, a good keeper, but needs to get regular club games and not stay on the Liverpool bench. We have good players, up to the new manager to get them playing very well together, better than the sum of their parts.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7316 - 02/03/2024 19:30:56    2529263

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "Not to people who have uncertainty around employment, healthcare or housing."
So when Wexford town floods that has nothing to do with the environment? so I guess you want all the money spent on flood prevention rather than health and housing? When prices go up due to food shortages because of the weather - then the outcry is the cost of living and the government need to do something. You may not be around to see the greatest impact of mess we are making of the environment today but your kids and grandkids will pay the price. Wexford will pay a heavy price for it in the future and it will be too late to do anything to do anything about it.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1798 - 03/03/2024 15:49:05    2529436

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Replying To zinny:  "So when Wexford town floods that has nothing to do with the environment? so I guess you want all the money spent on flood prevention rather than health and housing? When prices go up due to food shortages because of the weather - then the outcry is the cost of living and the government need to do something. You may not be around to see the greatest impact of mess we are making of the environment today but your kids and grandkids will pay the price. Wexford will pay a heavy price for it in the future and it will be too late to do anything to do anything about it."
When you say 'we', the one caveat I would make is that Ireland is performing significantly better than the vast majority.

The biggest impact Ireland could have on turning this situation around is proposing that the EU boycott the top 5 perpetrators until they hit certain targets. And keep that boycott in place as the top 5 changes to ensure a continuous 'race to the bottom' as it were.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5008 - 03/03/2024 20:34:38    2529557

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I watched a lot of the athletics over the weekend..I thought it was very refreshing to see interviews directly after competing at such a high level..the Irish athletes gave great interviews and were really enjoying themselves..the Irish were smiling and it was great to just hear them being themselves.I wonder could the Gaa learn anything by letting players just be themselves?

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2198 - 04/03/2024 00:31:18    2529602

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Replying To cavanman47:  "When you say 'we', the one caveat I would make is that Ireland is performing significantly better than the vast majority.

The biggest impact Ireland could have on turning this situation around is proposing that the EU boycott the top 5 perpetrators until they hit certain targets. And keep that boycott in place as the top 5 changes to ensure a continuous 'race to the bottom' as it were."
China is the main offender. You seriously think they will boycott China? China is not even bound by the targets set for idiots such as ourselves.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2506 - 04/03/2024 07:57:06    2529610

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "China is the main offender. You seriously think they will boycott China? China is not even bound by the targets set for idiots such as ourselves."
Do I think they will? No, of course not.

Do I think they should? Yes, if they're in any way serious about climate change then they need to.

I'm not certain who the top 5 countries are but top of my head I'd guess China, India, Brazil, Indonesia, USA. In population terms, that's basically half the planet. Me, you and the other 7 odd million on this island could go back to living in caves and we wouldn't put a dent on climate change. But real changes from real perpetrators would. And boycotts/embargoes would be an effective way to force those changes.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5008 - 04/03/2024 09:49:29    2529624

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "China is the main offender. You seriously think they will boycott China? China is not even bound by the targets set for idiots such as ourselves."
We don't even set our targetsBarney. We do what the EU tells us to do. We now have a deposit return scheme which our government, Dublin not Brussels, claims 'will reduce litter and boost Ireland's recycling rates' which the EU made us implement. It will create more journeys back to shops to claim a deposit back when we have recycling bins at home to recycle them and we're already paying for. Can't be good for the environment despite more transport emissions and recycling emissions and recycling scrap waste. Even if it's not a political show I thought Kielty was very soft on Ryan. Why didn't he ask about domestic drinking water quality when he was talking about improving water quality? Plenty of grants if you've a few quid for electric cars, electric heat pumps, solar panels but no grants for homeowners to cover some cost of fitting a water filter system. Improve the drinking water, minimise plastic water bottle waste. Forget about pushing recycling on people as the best option. Encourage them to reduce waste by buying less non-essentials. Not many middle class votes in that though or VAT returns telling people to spend less. Bash the farmers, get some good headlines doing that, ignore the big industry polluters. Blame the petrol and diesel cars but don't incentive motorists to carpool more to work, shops, sports evens etc. And insult people's intelligence by telling them they have to pay a deposit for cans and plastic bottles so they don't litter, when the huge majority don't litter. A big boost for the recycling companies that collect this material for less effort. Vote no to this. Scheme covers plastic and cans not glass. Bottled beer is good lads. The queue for bottle banks starts here.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7316 - 04/03/2024 09:52:10    2529627

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "We don't even set our targetsBarney. We do what the EU tells us to do. We now have a deposit return scheme which our government, Dublin not Brussels, claims 'will reduce litter and boost Ireland's recycling rates' which the EU made us implement. It will create more journeys back to shops to claim a deposit back when we have recycling bins at home to recycle them and we're already paying for. Can't be good for the environment despite more transport emissions and recycling emissions and recycling scrap waste. Even if it's not a political show I thought Kielty was very soft on Ryan. Why didn't he ask about domestic drinking water quality when he was talking about improving water quality? Plenty of grants if you've a few quid for electric cars, electric heat pumps, solar panels but no grants for homeowners to cover some cost of fitting a water filter system. Improve the drinking water, minimise plastic water bottle waste. Forget about pushing recycling on people as the best option. Encourage them to reduce waste by buying less non-essentials. Not many middle class votes in that though or VAT returns telling people to spend less. Bash the farmers, get some good headlines doing that, ignore the big industry polluters. Blame the petrol and diesel cars but don't incentive motorists to carpool more to work, shops, sports evens etc. And insult people's intelligence by telling them they have to pay a deposit for cans and plastic bottles so they don't litter, when the huge majority don't litter. A big boost for the recycling companies that collect this material for less effort. Vote no to this. Scheme covers plastic and cans not glass. Bottled beer is good lads. The queue for bottle banks starts here."
Agree on 90% of that.

But when you say we do what the EU tells us. . .you do realise we are part of that EU, right? We vote representatives to the commission and they contribute to coming up with these targets.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5008 - 04/03/2024 10:33:19    2529638

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Replying To cavanman47:  "Agree on 90% of that.

But when you say we do what the EU tells us. . .you do realise we are part of that EU, right? We vote representatives to the commission and they contribute to coming up with these targets."
They don't seem to challenge the logic of EU directives as they apply to us. Why are they not looking for EU finding to improve drinking water quality to reduce plastic bottle waste and help waste in our rivers,lakes, seas? Indirectly poor waterways are causing poor drinking water and driving up sales of bottled water.

We implemented the plastic bag levy in 2002, the first country to do so. Maybe we've lost some of our initiative since then. We can agree to EU directives but don't need to be sheep in doing so, we can suggest improvements. But also tell people in Ireland what their rights are, including repairing some goods rather than putting them in the bin and wasting money replacing them. I'll be cynical and think they'll be slow to do that

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GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7316 - 04/03/2024 11:20:25    2529666

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "We don't even set our targetsBarney. We do what the EU tells us to do. We now have a deposit return scheme which our government, Dublin not Brussels, claims 'will reduce litter and boost Ireland's recycling rates' which the EU made us implement. It will create more journeys back to shops to claim a deposit back when we have recycling bins at home to recycle them and we're already paying for. Can't be good for the environment despite more transport emissions and recycling emissions and recycling scrap waste. Even if it's not a political show I thought Kielty was very soft on Ryan. Why didn't he ask about domestic drinking water quality when he was talking about improving water quality? Plenty of grants if you've a few quid for electric cars, electric heat pumps, solar panels but no grants for homeowners to cover some cost of fitting a water filter system. Improve the drinking water, minimise plastic water bottle waste. Forget about pushing recycling on people as the best option. Encourage them to reduce waste by buying less non-essentials. Not many middle class votes in that though or VAT returns telling people to spend less. Bash the farmers, get some good headlines doing that, ignore the big industry polluters. Blame the petrol and diesel cars but don't incentive motorists to carpool more to work, shops, sports evens etc. And insult people's intelligence by telling them they have to pay a deposit for cans and plastic bottles so they don't litter, when the huge majority don't litter. A big boost for the recycling companies that collect this material for less effort. Vote no to this. Scheme covers plastic and cans not glass. Bottled beer is good lads. The queue for bottle banks starts here."
Some good suggestions GreenandRed. Grant for domestic water filters make a lot of sense. Eamonn Ryan has brainwashed himself into some ridiculous targets. He is not a good listener, does not answer specific questions and he is a one-man show as far as he is concerned. Not a good trait when you are in coalition. Everybody knows that we have to do as much as possible for the environment. Several large potential companies would not touch Ireland at the moment due to problems with the electricity and water infrastructure. To tap into our off-shore wind potential we need massive investment into our electricity grid and ports. (Not much happening) When the wind does not blow we need gas turbines to immediately respond to meet electricity demand. However Ryan has blocked gas exploration and liquid gas storage in Ireland and is happy to import gas and nuclear power from Europe through the UK, rather that boost our own economy and reliability. The electricity grid is on a knife edge at the moment with not enough gas turbines.
It would not surprise me if the lights went out when the referee blows the final whistle at the end of the All Ireland final. When some 200,000 people plug in their electric kettles at the same time, who will tell the wind to blow harder?

letsgetgoing (Roscommon) - Posts: 484 - 04/03/2024 12:18:14    2529690

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Replying To cavanman47:  "Agree on 90% of that.

But when you say we do what the EU tells us. . .you do realise we are part of that EU, right? We vote representatives to the commission and they contribute to coming up with these targets."
They do what they are told. When we rejected Nice and Lisbon our one were told to run it again to get the right result.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2506 - 04/03/2024 12:18:59    2529692

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "They do what they are told. When we rejected Nice and Lisbon our one were told to run it again to get the right result."
The sovereign people who voted made the decisions.

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1370 - 04/03/2024 13:17:22    2529714

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "The sovereign people who voted made the decisions."
The sovereign people voted to reject the two treaties and were then made vote again.

Would you cancel election results if you don't like the outcome?

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2506 - 04/03/2024 13:38:49    2529722

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "We don't even set our targetsBarney. We do what the EU tells us to do. We now have a deposit return scheme which our government, Dublin not Brussels, claims 'will reduce litter and boost Ireland's recycling rates' which the EU made us implement. It will create more journeys back to shops to claim a deposit back when we have recycling bins at home to recycle them and we're already paying for. Can't be good for the environment despite more transport emissions and recycling emissions and recycling scrap waste. Even if it's not a political show I thought Kielty was very soft on Ryan. Why didn't he ask about domestic drinking water quality when he was talking about improving water quality? Plenty of grants if you've a few quid for electric cars, electric heat pumps, solar panels but no grants for homeowners to cover some cost of fitting a water filter system. Improve the drinking water, minimise plastic water bottle waste. Forget about pushing recycling on people as the best option. Encourage them to reduce waste by buying less non-essentials. Not many middle class votes in that though or VAT returns telling people to spend less. Bash the farmers, get some good headlines doing that, ignore the big industry polluters. Blame the petrol and diesel cars but don't incentive motorists to carpool more to work, shops, sports evens etc. And insult people's intelligence by telling them they have to pay a deposit for cans and plastic bottles so they don't litter, when the huge majority don't litter. A big boost for the recycling companies that collect this material for less effort. Vote no to this. Scheme covers plastic and cans not glass. Bottled beer is good lads. The queue for bottle banks starts here."
But why do we need to spend huge money on the treatment instead of protecting the source? Unfortunately farming in this country is now industrialised and should not be distinguished from industry. The best way to avoid expensive water treatment and filters is stop the **** getting into our rivers, lakes and groundwater in the first place whether its from industrialised farming or factories. Rivers are in a desperate state and many in areas where the only heavy industry is farming like dairy. Origin green is the greatest cod on the planet. We're publicly subsidising industrial farming, much of the output of which is going abraod like baby formula to China, and then we have to pay again to treat/filter the water we've polluted through public funds. And I say that as someone who has no time for Eamonn Ryan and the D4 Greens. I'm saying it as someone who lives and works in rural Ireland and is seeing the place poisoned at an alarming rate over the past 20 years in particular. Most farmers are doing this because this is the way they've been led by government policy and the IFA. And most older farmers, in the west at least, know its not right and are well aware that the less intensive way was the best way. But they were pushed into a corner to go intensive, where go industrial or go home seems to be the mantra. The old people used to have a saying half stock half profit, full stock no profit and they were dead right. The price of full stock is costly for everybody now.

MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 757 - 04/03/2024 14:41:00    2529736

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