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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Only over two things:

the purgatory of Dublin hurling, and:

proper research standards :-)

(Agus leadanna i bhrstí bán dhearg ag imirt galf agus ag ól gin i lár na Gaeltachtaí mar dhaoine tar éis landáil i measc treabhanna aisteach sa fásach.)"
Drinking gin?!!!! No wonder;-D

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11736 - 07/02/2024 15:58:27    2524973

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Only over two things:

the purgatory of Dublin hurling, and:

proper research standards :-)

(Agus leadanna i bhrstí bán dhearg ag imirt galf agus ag ól gin i lár na Gaeltachtaí mar dhaoine tar éis landáil i measc treabhanna aisteach sa fásach.)"
Aontaím leat faoin sacar, cluiche leadránach, fadálach bundúnach. Maidir leis an nGaeltacht, níl a leithéid ann anois, faraor, ach tá an cur i gcéill níos láidre ná ariamh. An chuid againn a bhfuil an teanga ar a dtoil againn agus a mhair sa nGaeltacht tráth a raibh an teanga go nádúrtha ar bhéal na ndaoine ní chloisimid anois ach taibhse de theanga, béalra bradach nach bhfuil inti ach sonda de theanga ár sinsir. Nuair a fhéachaim ar chluiche peile nó iomána ar TG4 anois, níos minicí ná a mhalairt, múchaim an fhuaim, brúim an mute, mar nach bhfuil mo chluasa in ann ag an mbréantas a thagann ón teilifís.
Ní raibh mé ach ag déanamh grinn leat faoin rugbaí i measc na gcat. Tá meas agam ar do chuid gaelachais agus ar do dhílseacht don iomáint.

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1785 - 07/02/2024 15:59:34    2524974

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Replying To Viking66:  "Drinking gin?!!!! No wonder;-D"
There's no tonic like the gin, Viking! I think he's talking about the golf clubs. I don't see many drinking gin in the pubs anyway.

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1785 - 07/02/2024 16:05:06    2524976

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Replying To baire:  "We're all sensitive about certain issues Viking. I'd agree with Barney on soccer and rugby tbh. I find soccer especially, boring and a waste of time apart from the odd game when two top teams play each other. I went to Landsdowne Road twice in my life, once to see the Irish soccer team and once to see the rugby team, I haven't gone back and don't intend to."
For sure! We aren't normal. Normal people don't engage with strangers on anonymous forums! I enjoy rugby, disagree about the soccer though. Its games between top teams, Champions league etc, that have gone especially boring. Football the same by and large. The most entertaining game of football I saw last year was a club u20 Shield final. Although the Wexford Offaly game in the TC in Tullamore came a close 2nd.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11736 - 07/02/2024 16:14:04    2524985

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Only over two things:

the purgatory of Dublin hurling, and:

proper research standards :-)

(Agus leadanna i bhrstí bán dhearg ag imirt galf agus ag ól gin i lár na Gaeltachtaí mar dhaoine tar éis landáil i measc treabhanna aisteach sa fásach.)"
Níl aon ghaeltacht ann a thuilleadh, a dheartháir, níl fanta anois ach an cur i gcéill, an faisean is ansa leis an Éireannach!

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1785 - 07/02/2024 16:15:31    2524988

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Replying To Viking66:  "For sure! We aren't normal. Normal people don't engage with strangers on anonymous forums! I enjoy rugby, disagree about the soccer though. Its games between top teams, Champions league etc, that have gone especially boring. Football the same by and large. The most entertaining game of football I saw last year was a club u20 Shield final. Although the Wexford Offaly game in the TC in Tullamore came a close 2nd."
Louth v Offaly in the Leinster Championship was a cracker. All team sports have enjoyable and not so enjoyable matches. That's sport. Last week's Division One games in hurling had two slaughterings, two heavy beatings and just two competitive games. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I watch soccer before rugby and I watch football and hurling before both soccer and rugby. Just be glad that we have sport in our lives.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 08/02/2024 14:52:45    2525105

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Replying To Greengrass:  "Louth v Offaly in the Leinster Championship was a cracker. All team sports have enjoyable and not so enjoyable matches. That's sport. Last week's Division One games in hurling had two slaughterings, two heavy beatings and just two competitive games. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I watch soccer before rugby and I watch football and hurling before both soccer and rugby. Just be glad that we have sport in our lives."
I am!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11736 - 08/02/2024 15:21:32    2525112

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Replying To Greengrass:  "Louth v Offaly in the Leinster Championship was a cracker. All team sports have enjoyable and not so enjoyable matches. That's sport. Last week's Division One games in hurling had two slaughterings, two heavy beatings and just two competitive games. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I watch soccer before rugby and I watch football and hurling before both soccer and rugby. Just be glad that we have sport in our lives."
I was talking about soccer not gaelic games. A soccer game can go on for 2 hours and still be scoreless. How could a hurler have patience for that sort of negativity? All that offside nonsense and possession and fear of giving the ball away - players don't have the ball at all anymore they have possession, with endless short passing, no risk taking or playing with abandon. Unfortunately the same mentality has crept into our gaelic games, esp football.

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1785 - 08/02/2024 16:54:39    2525135

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Replying To baire:  "I was talking about soccer not gaelic games. A soccer game can go on for 2 hours and still be scoreless. How could a hurler have patience for that sort of negativity? All that offside nonsense and possession and fear of giving the ball away - players don't have the ball at all anymore they have possession, with endless short passing, no risk taking or playing with abandon. Unfortunately the same mentality has crept into our gaelic games, esp football."
That's just an ignorant remark…. Not all scoreless matches are negative or soccer teams for that matter.. Have you never watched Liverpool or Manchester City playing… Arsenal..? nothing negative about them… Gaelic football is a lot more negative I can tell you that

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 1908 - 08/02/2024 19:01:14    2525149

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "That's just an ignorant remark…. Not all scoreless matches are negative or soccer teams for that matter.. Have you never watched Liverpool or Manchester City playing… Arsenal..? nothing negative about them… Gaelic football is a lot more negative I can tell you that"
I said this initially about soccer:
"I find soccer especially, boring and a waste of time apart from the odd game when two top teams play each other".
The top teams in any sport are worth watching. I'm at an age where time and my use of it has come into sharp focus. That's why I'm off this thread now in case I make any further ignorant remarks and waste your time and mine.

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1785 - 09/02/2024 10:06:40    2525196

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Replying To baire:  "I was talking about soccer not gaelic games. A soccer game can go on for 2 hours and still be scoreless. How could a hurler have patience for that sort of negativity? All that offside nonsense and possession and fear of giving the ball away - players don't have the ball at all anymore they have possession, with endless short passing, no risk taking or playing with abandon. Unfortunately the same mentality has crept into our gaelic games, esp football."
I'd say you'd be entertained by someone shaking a set of keys in front of you

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12116 - 09/02/2024 14:56:31    2525236

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There's way more important stuff to be mad about, but did anyone see Brian Dowling and Ivan Yates on the 6 o'clock show on Virgin Media disparaging the Irish language?.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9116 - 13/02/2024 16:19:36    2525886

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "There's way more important stuff to be mad about, but did anyone see Brian Dowling and Ivan Yates on the 6 o'clock show on Virgin Media disparaging the Irish language?."
Seems to be a new campaign against the language. Will go the way of history in schools if some people get their way,

Protest today about housing in Gaeltachts, Will not survive the current onslaught as the supposed duty of state to protect them will never take preference over their filling the country with "new Irish."

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2525 - 13/02/2024 18:53:10    2525911

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "There's way more important stuff to be mad about, but did anyone see Brian Dowling and Ivan Yates on the 6 o'clock show on Virgin Media disparaging the Irish language? What a pair of clowns."
Sure what do you expect from pigs only a grunt.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1899 - 13/02/2024 19:09:32    2525915

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Seems to be a new campaign against the language. Will go the way of history in schools if some people get their way,

Protest today about housing in Gaeltachts, Will not survive the current onslaught as the supposed duty of state to protect them will never take preference over their filling the country with "new Irish.""
True Barney….: This gombeen government would fall over themselves to provide for and look after everyone coming into the country from everywhere rather than even listen to the concerns of their own citizens….. They will pay a heavy price when they go knocking on doors…

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 1908 - 13/02/2024 20:44:35    2525932

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I think there is something really wrong with our education system if we learn Irish for 12 years and only a hand full at the end can speak it fluently when they leave leaving cert. I personally think we should teach Irish up to junior cert then for leaving cert become optional, I think people who can't speak it by junior cert won't have a hope in leaving cert as it is. I was in Iceland 2 years ago and learnt 95% of the population can speak english, they obviously are doing something right in the way the teach it

DuhallowRed (Cork) - Posts: 267 - 13/02/2024 21:13:41    2525940

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Replying To DuhallowRed:  "I think there is something really wrong with our education system if we learn Irish for 12 years and only a hand full at the end can speak it fluently when they leave leaving cert. I personally think we should teach Irish up to junior cert then for leaving cert become optional, I think people who can't speak it by junior cert won't have a hope in leaving cert as it is. I was in Iceland 2 years ago and learnt 95% of the population can speak english, they obviously are doing something right in the way the teach it"
However having a logical debate on the subject won't happen because it would be seized on by some people as an attempt to erode our heritage to suit immigrants!
The reality is people in Iceland see a benefit from learning English and that is the world over, you go to countries all over the world and their ability to speak English is always what amazes as its not an easy language to learn.
The education system has failed to adapt to teaching Irish as a second language but it was setup to fail. If we really wanted to succeed would we have left the education of the subject in Primary schools to an non specialized teacher - how many kids have gone through Primary schools where one teacher covered everything for 2 or 3 classes - how on earth could they teach a subject which the kids or their parents saw no use in. However to do any different would cost a lot of money. I guess we get what we pay for and doing it the right way was never a priority of the Irish people and still isn't.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1800 - 14/02/2024 02:02:19    2525959

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Replying To zinny:  "However having a logical debate on the subject won't happen because it would be seized on by some people as an attempt to erode our heritage to suit immigrants!
The reality is people in Iceland see a benefit from learning English and that is the world over, you go to countries all over the world and their ability to speak English is always what amazes as its not an easy language to learn.
The education system has failed to adapt to teaching Irish as a second language but it was setup to fail. If we really wanted to succeed would we have left the education of the subject in Primary schools to an non specialized teacher - how many kids have gone through Primary schools where one teacher covered everything for 2 or 3 classes - how on earth could they teach a subject which the kids or their parents saw no use in. However to do any different would cost a lot of money. I guess we get what we pay for and doing it the right way was never a priority of the Irish people and still isn't."
This is one of the better posts on this subject, in my opinion. As one nearing the end of days, one of my little regrets is that I never became more fluent in my native tongue. But that's down to me - not current or past governments, immigrants or whatever. In fact I am constantly amused lately with how some people try to hang everything on our attitude to those seeking a better life. I love this country - my country - and all it stands for. The good parts far outweigh the not so good, in my opinion and last time I checked, we, the people, elect our governments every for or five years. I would like to see this system continue and would just like to say to everyone who disagrees, be careful what you wish for.

Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 990 - 14/02/2024 08:16:04    2525971

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My take on it would be that we shoud hate the system that teaches it and not the language itself.
I'm not fluent, but I can speak enough to get by and living in a Gaeltacht certainly helps.

Last summer the Comórtas Peil na Gaeltacht was held in Anagaire, Donegal and there was a club competing from Belfast whose name escapes me now. Every single person, players, management, supporters young and old spoke nothing but Irish while they were here. It was marvellous to see and hear.

As for immigration, there is a dangerous rhetoric at present blaming immigrants for all our ills. Ireland is not full, and we are at near full employment. I would cast my blame squarely at the door of successive incompetent governments who have been at best incapable, and at worst unwilling to properly tackle housing and health care. The latest overspend figures of the National Children's Hospital bear this out.

The Burj Kahlifa in Dubai was built at a cost of $1.5 billion. Our National Children's Hospital is currently at $2.4 billion.
Ireland is 100 times larger than Singapore, but they can affordably house 5.5 million people in an area smaller than Louth.

FF/FG have had the run of the country since its inception. What was it that Einstein said about insanity?

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9116 - 14/02/2024 10:38:57    2525998

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "My take on it would be that we shoud hate the system that teaches it and not the language itself.
I'm not fluent, but I can speak enough to get by and living in a Gaeltacht certainly helps.

Last summer the Comórtas Peil na Gaeltacht was held in Anagaire, Donegal and there was a club competing from Belfast whose name escapes me now. Every single person, players, management, supporters young and old spoke nothing but Irish while they were here. It was marvellous to see and hear.

As for immigration, there is a dangerous rhetoric at present blaming immigrants for all our ills. Ireland is not full, and we are at near full employment. I would cast my blame squarely at the door of successive incompetent governments who have been at best incapable, and at worst unwilling to properly tackle housing and health care. The latest overspend figures of the National Children's Hospital bear this out.

The Burj Kahlifa in Dubai was built at a cost of $1.5 billion. Our National Children's Hospital is currently at $2.4 billion.
Ireland is 100 times larger than Singapore, but they can affordably house 5.5 million people in an area smaller than Louth.

FF/FG have had the run of the country since its inception. What was it that Einstein said about insanity?"
Well said. It's a generalisation I know, but quite often I find that the ones shouting loudest about immigration are angry that their own lives haven't turned out how they'd have wished. They've made some bad choices or are too lazy to make any at all. It's easy to blame their problems on others instead of taking responsibility themselves.

ThePowerhouse (Leitrim) - Posts: 104 - 14/02/2024 11:23:40    2526005

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