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Replying To Lockjaw: "Yeah it seems a bit chaotic. I will never, ever understand Brexit. Is it too simplistic to assume that many, possibly millions of people EU-wide will simply give up on buying UK produced products as it's just not worth the hassle?
But they got their own colour passports I suppose #winning" You'd be surprised the amount of retailers online from the UK that have customs prepaid so saves a lot of hassle. It's just the time of year that makes everything so manic with deliveries. I had a package from the states that had customs paid on it lying up for a week in the UPS warehouse here without movement. Most recent deliveries though from abroad have been painless I have to be honest.
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Replying To Bon: "You'd be surprised the amount of retailers online from the UK that have customs prepaid so saves a lot of hassle. It's just the time of year that makes everything so manic with deliveries. I had a package from the states that had customs paid on it lying up for a week in the UPS warehouse here without movement. Most recent deliveries though from abroad have been painless I have to be honest." True enough yeah. Most of the online purchases from the UK don't have any issues with customs, particularly if they're small. I supposee the more expensive the item, the less likely the UK retailer will cover the customs. Must be a bit of a burden on them though all the same.
I just have a couple of small things I'm waiting on so it's not a wild big deal.
Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9359 - 22/12/2023 09:28:07
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Replying To Galway9801: "I agree with your point about us becoming hooked on cheap labour, and to an extent I agree with your point about irish people being more inclined towards immigration from eastern Europe, but to be fair there has been a lack of integration from immigrants of all backgrounds,including eastern Europe.
I live close to ballybane in Galway city and even between kids who were born and reared here in Ireland, there seems to be a lack of integration except in forced settings such as classrooms or sports clubs.
I don't see any real desire to come together from any community tbh, with most citizens, white Irish and non white Irish alike seemingly happy to not make the effort.
United Ireland my a##e." For immigrant parents its a tough choice - speaking from first hand experience and I would say most Irish people who have kids born abroad the push is to try and instill as much of an Irish identity in the kids as possible. However its tough to maintain as once the kids go to school the parents influence starts to wane, Sport in Ireland is another big leveler. We would see the GAA as been uniquely Irish and for anyone overseas the GAA helps parents maintain that link whereas immigrants in Ireland may see it more with fear as it further goes against the kids holding their own identity.
If we have problems integrating what we have today thinking of what would happen if we had another 800K people to integrate, where a lot of them are very much anti what we in Ireland see as our culture.
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Replying To Rolo2010: "Eastern Europeans in my experience have always been quite insular. Integration only really happens with the second and third generations but you have to force it like the Americans. But even they are growing weary of immigration again. People often forget that Amerixa had very strict immigration policies from the 20s through to the 60s.
I do queston those who say we should prefer migration from EE. It comes down to race. Not even religion. Freedom of movement is not something I'm strongly supportive of because I'm not convinced being European means a stronger possibility of integration." Freedom of movement of people is one of the cornerstones of the EU. And is the whole point to the CTA. Leaving either would be an economic disaster for the 26 counties. But the fact remains that the majority of our immigrants are coming in from these 2 areas. Leaving the EU only is only likely to be pushed by those in the country whose ultimate goal is re uniting the UK, not those who would like to see an Independent Ireland, preferably with all 32 counties in it. There's alot of people displaying a kneejerk reaction to immigration, wanting to reduce it because "the country is full", but to achieve reduced immigration in any meaningful way would mean fundamentally changing our relationship with the UK, EU, or both. Most of the rest of our immigration is made up of people on work or study visas, and our health service for example wouldn't run without these lads, particularly from Asia.
Rather than proclaiming the country is full on account of the chronically poor housing and services we are enduring currently, we should be upping our game and providing the services and housing the country needs. Immigration is a red herring in this regard. We don't have housing or health or education or other services shortages on account of immigration. These problems are a symptom of the inept and small minded people we have been electing to run the country since the economic upturn in the 90s.
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Freedom of movement of people is one of the cornerstones of the EU. And is the whole point to the CTA. Leaving either would be an economic disaster for the 26 counties. But the fact remains that the majority of our immigrants are coming in from these 2 areas. Leaving the EU only is only likely to be pushed by those in the country whose ultimate goal is re uniting the UK, not those who would like to see an Independent Ireland, preferably with all 32 counties in it. There's alot of people displaying a kneejerk reaction to immigration, wanting to reduce it because "the country is full", but to achieve reduced immigration in any meaningful way would mean fundamentally changing our relationship with the UK, EU, or both. Most of the rest of our immigration is made up of people on work or study visas, and our health service for example wouldn't run without these lads, particularly from Asia.
Rather than proclaiming the country is full on account of the chronically poor housing and services we are enduring currently, we should be upping our game and providing the services and housing the country needs. Immigration is a red herring in this regard. We don't have housing or health or education or other services shortages on account of immigration. These problems are a symptom of the inept and small minded people we have been electing to run the country since the economic upturn in the 90s." I see nothing wrong with immigration if it's done legally, but these fellas landing in Britain on the small boats with no documentation, or somehow flying into Dublin with no passports etc, and being taken in and housed etc by the state, now that's just ridiculous,
I mean if I try flying in somewhere tomorrow or try entering the USA for eg. without a visa and means to support myself they wouldn't let me in and they'd be right.
The Irish who went to America illegally years ago got nothing from the state over there and were all working in a short time otherwise they'd have got nothing, it was 'work or else we die' as the old song says.
Common sense is going to have to kick in at some stage here in all fairness.
Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2897 - 02/01/2024 17:54:35
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Freedom of movement of people is one of the cornerstones of the EU. And is the whole point to the CTA. Leaving either would be an economic disaster for the 26 counties. But the fact remains that the majority of our immigrants are coming in from these 2 areas. Leaving the EU only is only likely to be pushed by those in the country whose ultimate goal is re uniting the UK, not those who would like to see an Independent Ireland, preferably with all 32 counties in it. There's alot of people displaying a kneejerk reaction to immigration, wanting to reduce it because "the country is full", but to achieve reduced immigration in any meaningful way would mean fundamentally changing our relationship with the UK, EU, or both. Most of the rest of our immigration is made up of people on work or study visas, and our health service for example wouldn't run without these lads, particularly from Asia.
Rather than proclaiming the country is full on account of the chronically poor housing and services we are enduring currently, we should be upping our game and providing the services and housing the country needs. Immigration is a red herring in this regard. We don't have housing or health or education or other services shortages on account of immigration. These problems are a symptom of the inept and small minded people we have been electing to run the country since the economic upturn in the 90s." I see nothing wrong with immigration if it's done legally, but these fellas landing in Britain on the small boats with no documentation, or somehow flying into Dublin with no passports etc, and being taken in and housed etc by the state, now that's just ridiculous, I mean if I try flying in somewhere tomorrow or try entering the USA for eg. without a visa and means to support myself they wouldn't let me in and they'd be right. The Irish who went to America illegally years ago got nothing from the state over there and were all working in a short time otherwise they'd have got nothing, it was 'work or else we die' as the old song says. Common sense is going to have to kick in at some stage here in all fairness."
Can ye please stop using the language of English extremists.
Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1717 - 02/01/2024 18:41:53
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Freedom of movement of people is one of the cornerstones of the EU. And is the whole point to the CTA. Leaving either would be an economic disaster for the 26 counties. But the fact remains that the majority of our immigrants are coming in from these 2 areas. Leaving the EU only is only likely to be pushed by those in the country whose ultimate goal is re uniting the UK, not those who would like to see an Independent Ireland, preferably with all 32 counties in it. There's alot of people displaying a kneejerk reaction to immigration, wanting to reduce it because "the country is full", but to achieve reduced immigration in any meaningful way would mean fundamentally changing our relationship with the UK, EU, or both. Most of the rest of our immigration is made up of people on work or study visas, and our health service for example wouldn't run without these lads, particularly from Asia.
Rather than proclaiming the country is full on account of the chronically poor housing and services we are enduring currently, we should be upping our game and providing the services and housing the country needs. Immigration is a red herring in this regard. We don't have housing or health or education or other services shortages on account of immigration. These problems are a symptom of the inept and small minded people we have been electing to run the country since the economic upturn in the 90s." The majority of immigrants arriving into Ireland are NOT from within the EU.
You might get your facts right before lecturing the rest of us and refusing to post our factual responses.
BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2929 - 02/01/2024 19:12:22
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Freedom of movement of people is one of the cornerstones of the EU. And is the whole point to the CTA. Leaving either would be an economic disaster for the 26 counties. But the fact remains that the majority of our immigrants are coming in from these 2 areas. Leaving the EU only is only likely to be pushed by those in the country whose ultimate goal is re uniting the UK, not those who would like to see an Independent Ireland, preferably with all 32 counties in it. There's alot of people displaying a kneejerk reaction to immigration, wanting to reduce it because "the country is full", but to achieve reduced immigration in any meaningful way would mean fundamentally changing our relationship with the UK, EU, or both. Most of the rest of our immigration is made up of people on work or study visas, and our health service for example wouldn't run without these lads, particularly from Asia.
Rather than proclaiming the country is full on account of the chronically poor housing and services we are enduring currently, we should be upping our game and providing the services and housing the country needs. Immigration is a red herring in this regard. We don't have housing or health or education or other services shortages on account of immigration. These problems are a symptom of the inept and small minded people we have been electing to run the country since the economic upturn in the 90s." The majority of immigrants arriving into Ireland are NOT from within the EU. You might get your facts right before lecturing the rest of us and refusing to post our factual responses."
Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1717 - 02/01/2024 21:16:08
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Freedom of movement of people is one of the cornerstones of the EU. And is the whole point to the CTA. Leaving either would be an economic disaster for the 26 counties. But the fact remains that the majority of our immigrants are coming in from these 2 areas. Leaving the EU only is only likely to be pushed by those in the country whose ultimate goal is re uniting the UK, not those who would like to see an Independent Ireland, preferably with all 32 counties in it. There's alot of people displaying a kneejerk reaction to immigration, wanting to reduce it because "the country is full", but to achieve reduced immigration in any meaningful way would mean fundamentally changing our relationship with the UK, EU, or both. Most of the rest of our immigration is made up of people on work or study visas, and our health service for example wouldn't run without these lads, particularly from Asia.
Rather than proclaiming the country is full on account of the chronically poor housing and services we are enduring currently, we should be upping our game and providing the services and housing the country needs. Immigration is a red herring in this regard. We don't have housing or health or education or other services shortages on account of immigration. These problems are a symptom of the inept and small minded people we have been electing to run the country since the economic upturn in the 90s." The majority of immigrants arriving into Ireland are NOT from within the EU. You might get your facts right before lecturing the rest of us and refusing to post our factual responses."
BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2929 - 02/01/2024 21:53:10
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Freedom of movement of people is one of the cornerstones of the EU. And is the whole point to the CTA. Leaving either would be an economic disaster for the 26 counties. But the fact remains that the majority of our immigrants are coming in from these 2 areas. Leaving the EU only is only likely to be pushed by those in the country whose ultimate goal is re uniting the UK, not those who would like to see an Independent Ireland, preferably with all 32 counties in it. There's alot of people displaying a kneejerk reaction to immigration, wanting to reduce it because "the country is full", but to achieve reduced immigration in any meaningful way would mean fundamentally changing our relationship with the UK, EU, or both. Most of the rest of our immigration is made up of people on work or study visas, and our health service for example wouldn't run without these lads, particularly from Asia.
Rather than proclaiming the country is full on account of the chronically poor housing and services we are enduring currently, we should be upping our game and providing the services and housing the country needs. Immigration is a red herring in this regard. We don't have housing or health or education or other services shortages on account of immigration. These problems are a symptom of the inept and small minded people we have been electing to run the country since the economic upturn in the 90s." The majority of immigrants arriving into Ireland are NOT from within the EU. You might get your facts right before lecturing the rest of us and refusing to post our factual responses."
That is copied and pasted directly from the link you posted. I didn't say the EU, I said the UK and EU. I'm not lecturing you, merely stating facts. The fact is that a very small percentage of our immigrants in the last year, or any year, are non Ukrainian refugees. People being housed in these hotels around the country. If we banned them altogether, we would not be reducing immigration numbers in any significant way. That's just the fact of the matter, whatever way you look at it.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13070 - 02/01/2024 22:37:23
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Freedom of movement of people is one of the cornerstones of the EU. And is the whole point to the CTA. Leaving either would be an economic disaster for the 26 counties. But the fact remains that the majority of our immigrants are coming in from these 2 areas. Leaving the EU only is only likely to be pushed by those in the country whose ultimate goal is re uniting the UK, not those who would like to see an Independent Ireland, preferably with all 32 counties in it. There's alot of people displaying a kneejerk reaction to immigration, wanting to reduce it because "the country is full", but to achieve reduced immigration in any meaningful way would mean fundamentally changing our relationship with the UK, EU, or both. Most of the rest of our immigration is made up of people on work or study visas, and our health service for example wouldn't run without these lads, particularly from Asia.
Rather than proclaiming the country is full on account of the chronically poor housing and services we are enduring currently, we should be upping our game and providing the services and housing the country needs. Immigration is a red herring in this regard. We don't have housing or health or education or other services shortages on account of immigration. These problems are a symptom of the inept and small minded people we have been electing to run the country since the economic upturn in the 90s." The majority of immigrants arriving into Ireland are NOT from within the EU. You might get your facts right before lecturing the rest of us and refusing to post our factual responses."
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13070 - 02/01/2024 22:38:50
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Freedom of movement of people is one of the cornerstones of the EU. And is the whole point to the CTA. Leaving either would be an economic disaster for the 26 counties. But the fact remains that the majority of our immigrants are coming in from these 2 areas. Leaving the EU only is only likely to be pushed by those in the country whose ultimate goal is re uniting the UK, not those who would like to see an Independent Ireland, preferably with all 32 counties in it. There's alot of people displaying a kneejerk reaction to immigration, wanting to reduce it because "the country is full", but to achieve reduced immigration in any meaningful way would mean fundamentally changing our relationship with the UK, EU, or both. Most of the rest of our immigration is made up of people on work or study visas, and our health service for example wouldn't run without these lads, particularly from Asia.
Rather than proclaiming the country is full on account of the chronically poor housing and services we are enduring currently, we should be upping our game and providing the services and housing the country needs. Immigration is a red herring in this regard. We don't have housing or health or education or other services shortages on account of immigration. These problems are a symptom of the inept and small minded people we have been electing to run the country since the economic upturn in the 90s." The majority of immigrants arriving into Ireland are NOT from within the EU. You might get your facts right before lecturing the rest of us and refusing to post our factual responses."
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13070 - 02/01/2024 22:41:34
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Freedom of movement of people is one of the cornerstones of the EU. And is the whole point to the CTA. Leaving either would be an economic disaster for the 26 counties. But the fact remains that the majority of our immigrants are coming in from these 2 areas. Leaving the EU only is only likely to be pushed by those in the country whose ultimate goal is re uniting the UK, not those who would like to see an Independent Ireland, preferably with all 32 counties in it. There's alot of people displaying a kneejerk reaction to immigration, wanting to reduce it because "the country is full", but to achieve reduced immigration in any meaningful way would mean fundamentally changing our relationship with the UK, EU, or both. Most of the rest of our immigration is made up of people on work or study visas, and our health service for example wouldn't run without these lads, particularly from Asia.
Rather than proclaiming the country is full on account of the chronically poor housing and services we are enduring currently, we should be upping our game and providing the services and housing the country needs. Immigration is a red herring in this regard. We don't have housing or health or education or other services shortages on account of immigration. These problems are a symptom of the inept and small minded people we have been electing to run the country since the economic upturn in the 90s." The majority of immigrants arriving into Ireland are NOT from within the EU. You might get your facts right before lecturing the rest of us and refusing to post our factual responses."
"The population rose by 97,600 people which was the largest 12-month increase since 2008.
There were 141,600 immigrants which was a 16-year high. This was the second successive 12-month period where over 100,000 people immigrated to Ireland.
Of those immigrants, 29,600 were returning Irish citizens, 26,100 were other EU citizens, and 4,800 were UK citizens.
The remaining 81,100 immigrants were citizens of other countries including almost 42,000 Ukrainians.
Over 64,000 people departed the State in the 12 months to April 2023, compared with 56,100 in the same period of 2022. This was one of the highest figures of recent years.
There was a natural increase of 20,000 people in the State comprised of 55,500 births and 35,500 deaths."
https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-pme/populationandmigrationestimatesapril2023/keyfindings/
That's from the CSO. We had 141000 immigrants, and yes you are right EU immigrants are no longer the biggest number of these. Returning Irish citizens currently are. We had 42000 new Ukrainians, which we made a commitment to the EU we would take. Most of the rest are here on work and study visas, mostly from Asia, without whom our health service would likely collapse. There are currently 26000 IP applicants, many of whom arrived in 2022 and some even in 2021. Even if we banned IP applicants altogether we would still have well over 100000 essential or entitled, due to EU or UK commitments made, immigrants. Hopefully the reduced benefits for Ukrainians will deter those who are moving here from other EU countries purely for benefits, but many of the Ukrainians here have young families also. They need to be able to live. Other IP applicants only get 38 odd euro a week, hardly a fortune.
As regards accommodation we need to sort out housing for all of us, not just immigrants. We need houses to be built in their tens of thousands that people can actually afford to buy and rent. There is a housing crisis currently because of 30 odd years of chronic mismanagement, or maybe more like non management, of the sector since the upturn in Irelands economic fortunes in the early 90s. The housing crisis hasn't been caused by immigrants.
If it was there'd of been a worse crisis in 2007, when we had a peak of 151000 immigrants.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/537502/immigrant-population-of-ireland/#:~:text=There%20were%20approximately%20141%2C600%20immigrants,peaked%20at%20151%2C100%20in%202007.
"There were approximately 141,600 immigrants entering the Republic of Ireland in 2023, compared with 120,700 in the previous year. During the provided time period, the number of immigrants coming to Ireland peaked at 151,100 in 2007."
Our population has grown as our economy has Barney, or else our economy wouldn't have grown. The sad fact is that despite all that growth and wealth our services, housing, health and education, haven't grown at the same pace. And that's down to successive governments, not immigrants.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13070 - 03/01/2024 00:07:50
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Freedom of movement of people is one of the cornerstones of the EU. And is the whole point to the CTA. Leaving either would be an economic disaster for the 26 counties. But the fact remains that the majority of our immigrants are coming in from these 2 areas. Leaving the EU only is only likely to be pushed by those in the country whose ultimate goal is re uniting the UK, not those who would like to see an Independent Ireland, preferably with all 32 counties in it. There's alot of people displaying a kneejerk reaction to immigration, wanting to reduce it because "the country is full", but to achieve reduced immigration in any meaningful way would mean fundamentally changing our relationship with the UK, EU, or both. Most of the rest of our immigration is made up of people on work or study visas, and our health service for example wouldn't run without these lads, particularly from Asia.
Rather than proclaiming the country is full on account of the chronically poor housing and services we are enduring currently, we should be upping our game and providing the services and housing the country needs. Immigration is a red herring in this regard. We don't have housing or health or education or other services shortages on account of immigration. These problems are a symptom of the inept and small minded people we have been electing to run the country since the economic upturn in the 90s." The majority of immigrants arriving into Ireland are NOT from within the EU. You might get your facts right before lecturing the rest of us and refusing to post our factual responses."
"The population rose by 97,600 people which was the largest 12-month increase since 2008.
There were 141,600 immigrants which was a 16-year high. This was the second successive 12-month period where over 100,000 people immigrated to Ireland.
Of those immigrants, 29,600 were returning Irish citizens, 26,100 were other EU citizens, and 4,800 were UK citizens.
The remaining 81,100 immigrants were citizens of other countries including almost 42,000 Ukrainians.
Over 64,000 people departed the State in the 12 months to April 2023, compared with 56,100 in the same period of 2022. This was one of the highest figures of recent years.
There was a natural increase of 20,000 people in the State comprised of 55,500 births and 35,500 deaths."
https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-pme/populationandmigrationestimatesapril2023/keyfindings/
That's from the CSO. We had 141000 immigrants, and yes you are right EU immigrants are no longer the biggest number of these. Returning Irish citizens currently are. We had 42000 new Ukrainians, which we made a commitment to the EU we would take. Most of the rest are here on work and study visas, mostly from Asia, without whom our health service would likely collapse. There are currently 26000 IP applicants, many of whom arrived in 2022 and some even in 2021. Even if we banned IP applicants altogether we would still have well over 100000 essential or entitled, due to EU or UK commitments made, immigrants. Hopefully the reduced benefits for Ukrainians will deter those who are moving here from other EU countries purely for benefits, but many of the Ukrainians here have young families also. They need to be able to live. Other IP applicants only get 38 odd euro a week, hardly a fortune.
As regards accommodation we need to sort out housing for all of us, not just immigrants. We need houses to be built in their tens of thousands that people can actually afford to buy and rent. There is a housing crisis currently because of 30 odd years of chronic mismanagement, or maybe more like non management, of the sector since the upturn in Irelands economic fortunes in the early 90s. The housing crisis hasn't been caused by immigrants.
If it was there'd of been a worse crisis in 2007, when we had a peak of 151000 immigrants.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/537502/immigrant-population-of-ireland/#:~:text=There%20were%20approximately%20141%2C600%20immigrants,peaked%20at%20151%2C100%20in%202007.
"There were approximately 141,600 immigrants entering the Republic of Ireland in 2023, compared with 120,700 in the previous year. During the provided time period, the number of immigrants coming to Ireland peaked at 151,100 in 2007."
Our population has grown as our economy has Barney, or else our economy wouldn't have grown. The sad fact is that despite all that growth and wealth our services, housing, health and education, haven't grown at the same pace. And that's down to successive governments, not immigrants."]The largest group of immigrants is NOT returning Irish people. In fact more Irish people have left in past two years than have returned.
You might check that one out too, as i see you have corrected yourself regarding your claim regarding EU citizens being the largest group.
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Freedom of movement of people is one of the cornerstones of the EU. And is the whole point to the CTA. Leaving either would be an economic disaster for the 26 counties. But the fact remains that the majority of our immigrants are coming in from these 2 areas. Leaving the EU only is only likely to be pushed by those in the country whose ultimate goal is re uniting the UK, not those who would like to see an Independent Ireland, preferably with all 32 counties in it. There's alot of people displaying a kneejerk reaction to immigration, wanting to reduce it because "the country is full", but to achieve reduced immigration in any meaningful way would mean fundamentally changing our relationship with the UK, EU, or both. Most of the rest of our immigration is made up of people on work or study visas, and our health service for example wouldn't run without these lads, particularly from Asia.
Rather than proclaiming the country is full on account of the chronically poor housing and services we are enduring currently, we should be upping our game and providing the services and housing the country needs. Immigration is a red herring in this regard. We don't have housing or health or education or other services shortages on account of immigration. These problems are a symptom of the inept and small minded people we have been electing to run the country since the economic upturn in the 90s." The majority of immigrants arriving into Ireland are NOT from within the EU. You might get your facts right before lecturing the rest of us and refusing to post our factual responses."
"The population rose by 97,600 people which was the largest 12-month increase since 2008.
There were 141,600 immigrants which was a 16-year high. This was the second successive 12-month period where over 100,000 people immigrated to Ireland.
Of those immigrants, 29,600 were returning Irish citizens, 26,100 were other EU citizens, and 4,800 were UK citizens.
The remaining 81,100 immigrants were citizens of other countries including almost 42,000 Ukrainians.
Over 64,000 people departed the State in the 12 months to April 2023, compared with 56,100 in the same period of 2022. This was one of the highest figures of recent years.
There was a natural increase of 20,000 people in the State comprised of 55,500 births and 35,500 deaths."
https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-pme/populationandmigrationestimatesapril2023/keyfindings/
That's from the CSO. We had 141000 immigrants, and yes you are right EU immigrants are no longer the biggest number of these. Returning Irish citizens currently are. We had 42000 new Ukrainians, which we made a commitment to the EU we would take. Most of the rest are here on work and study visas, mostly from Asia, without whom our health service would likely collapse. There are currently 26000 IP applicants, many of whom arrived in 2022 and some even in 2021. Even if we banned IP applicants altogether we would still have well over 100000 essential or entitled, due to EU or UK commitments made, immigrants. Hopefully the reduced benefits for Ukrainians will deter those who are moving here from other EU countries purely for benefits, but many of the Ukrainians here have young families also. They need to be able to live. Other IP applicants only get 38 odd euro a week, hardly a fortune.
As regards accommodation we need to sort out housing for all of us, not just immigrants. We need houses to be built in their tens of thousands that people can actually afford to buy and rent. There is a housing crisis currently because of 30 odd years of chronic mismanagement, or maybe more like non management, of the sector since the upturn in Irelands economic fortunes in the early 90s. The housing crisis hasn't been caused by immigrants.
If it was there'd of been a worse crisis in 2007, when we had a peak of 151000 immigrants.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/537502/immigrant-population-of-ireland/#:~:text=There%20were%20approximately%20141%2C600%20immigrants,peaked%20at%20151%2C100%20in%202007.
"There were approximately 141,600 immigrants entering the Republic of Ireland in 2023, compared with 120,700 in the previous year. During the provided time period, the number of immigrants coming to Ireland peaked at 151,100 in 2007."
Our population has grown as our economy has Barney, or else our economy wouldn't have grown. The sad fact is that despite all that growth and wealth our services, housing, health and education, haven't grown at the same pace. And that's down to successive governments, not immigrants."]The largest group of immigrants is NOT returning Irish people. In fact more Irish people have left in past two years than have returned.
You might check that one out too, as i see you have corrected yourself regarding your claim regarding EU citizens being the largest group."]Most of our non Irish citizens are still from the EU or UK though. And the largest group of immigrants in the latest figures are returning Irish citizens.
I suppose what I'm asking you is this Barney-
1- you say we have too many immigrants. Exactly which category or categories, out of- Irish, EU, UK, work and study visas, and IP applicants, of our immigrants are you looking to reduce or stop?
2- how do you think we can achieve this?
3- if you are only talking about what is the smallest category, non European IP applicants, i.e. the lads in these centres who are getting harassed by protesters, then what difference do you really think that will make, as these only make up 10% of our immigrants anyway?
4- you keep dodging around the core issues at stake here, housing, health, education etc. Do you really believe enough has been done by the successive governments since the early 90s? A social policy lecturer from Maynooth was on the radio this morning. We have built 1/2 million social houses since the State was formed. And sold 300000 of these to tennants/private buyers, without really replacing them. This is the core issue for native and immigrant tension. Too many poorer natives, poorer immigrants, and nearly no affordable houses.
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Freedom of movement of people is one of the cornerstones of the EU. And is the whole point to the CTA. Leaving either would be an economic disaster for the 26 counties. But the fact remains that the majority of our immigrants are coming in from these 2 areas. Leaving the EU only is only likely to be pushed by those in the country whose ultimate goal is re uniting the UK, not those who would like to see an Independent Ireland, preferably with all 32 counties in it. There's alot of people displaying a kneejerk reaction to immigration, wanting to reduce it because "the country is full", but to achieve reduced immigration in any meaningful way would mean fundamentally changing our relationship with the UK, EU, or both. Most of the rest of our immigration is made up of people on work or study visas, and our health service for example wouldn't run without these lads, particularly from Asia.
Rather than proclaiming the country is full on account of the chronically poor housing and services we are enduring currently, we should be upping our game and providing the services and housing the country needs. Immigration is a red herring in this regard. We don't have housing or health or education or other services shortages on account of immigration. These problems are a symptom of the inept and small minded people we have been electing to run the country since the economic upturn in the 90s." The majority of immigrants arriving into Ireland are NOT from within the EU. You might get your facts right before lecturing the rest of us and refusing to post our factual responses."
"The population rose by 97,600 people which was the largest 12-month increase since 2008.
There were 141,600 immigrants which was a 16-year high. This was the second successive 12-month period where over 100,000 people immigrated to Ireland.
Of those immigrants, 29,600 were returning Irish citizens, 26,100 were other EU citizens, and 4,800 were UK citizens.
The remaining 81,100 immigrants were citizens of other countries including almost 42,000 Ukrainians.
Over 64,000 people departed the State in the 12 months to April 2023, compared with 56,100 in the same period of 2022. This was one of the highest figures of recent years.
There was a natural increase of 20,000 people in the State comprised of 55,500 births and 35,500 deaths."
https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-pme/populationandmigrationestimatesapril2023/keyfindings/
That's from the CSO. We had 141000 immigrants, and yes you are right EU immigrants are no longer the biggest number of these. Returning Irish citizens currently are. We had 42000 new Ukrainians, which we made a commitment to the EU we would take. Most of the rest are here on work and study visas, mostly from Asia, without whom our health service would likely collapse. There are currently 26000 IP applicants, many of whom arrived in 2022 and some even in 2021. Even if we banned IP applicants altogether we would still have well over 100000 essential or entitled, due to EU or UK commitments made, immigrants. Hopefully the reduced benefits for Ukrainians will deter those who are moving here from other EU countries purely for benefits, but many of the Ukrainians here have young families also. They need to be able to live. Other IP applicants only get 38 odd euro a week, hardly a fortune.
As regards accommodation we need to sort out housing for all of us, not just immigrants. We need houses to be built in their tens of thousands that people can actually afford to buy and rent. There is a housing crisis currently because of 30 odd years of chronic mismanagement, or maybe more like non management, of the sector since the upturn in Irelands economic fortunes in the early 90s. The housing crisis hasn't been caused by immigrants.
If it was there'd of been a worse crisis in 2007, when we had a peak of 151000 immigrants.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/537502/immigrant-population-of-ireland/#:~:text=There%20were%20approximately%20141%2C600%20immigrants,peaked%20at%20151%2C100%20in%202007.
"There were approximately 141,600 immigrants entering the Republic of Ireland in 2023, compared with 120,700 in the previous year. During the provided time period, the number of immigrants coming to Ireland peaked at 151,100 in 2007."
Our population has grown as our economy has Barney, or else our economy wouldn't have grown. The sad fact is that despite all that growth and wealth our services, housing, health and education, haven't grown at the same pace. And that's down to successive governments, not immigrants."]The largest group of immigrants is NOT returning Irish people. In fact more Irish people have left in past two years than have returned.
You might check that one out too, as i see you have corrected yourself regarding your claim regarding EU citizens being the largest group."]The year up to April 2023 the largest figure quoted was returning Irish people Barney. The last figure for work and study visas I could find was 2022 and was 85000. These lads will be working or studying. These will not be on social welfare, as they are not entitled to it. This figure must've been subsequently reduced for a figure of 141000 immigrants to be reached for year ending April 2023, as the 141000 included 42000 Ukrainian IP applicants.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13070 - 03/01/2024 10:36:10
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Cracking recent game between Ulster and Leinster in pouring rain. GAA league football games will be a hard watch after this. Full commitment, tough players and a narrow win for the underdogs, Ulster, even though they were playing away. Rugby is in a good place.
Ryanteam (Cork) - Posts: 362 - 03/01/2024 10:39:24
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Anyone watching the Darts? Some story with Littler.
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Replying To TerribleFootwork: "Anyone watching the Darts? Some story with Littler." That kid is amazing. I think Luke will eventually beat the kid but what a story.
Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 2198 - 03/01/2024 21:32:34
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There are more Irish people leaving than returning. This is not rocket science. There is a reason the % of population born overseas is steadily increasing, way beyond levels in ANY other EU state.
If you think that is healthy for any society then fair enough. If you think Ireland is no more than an industrial estate and financial centre, likewise.
Being against all of that bizarrely defines one as "far right" now. When I was younger it was a leftist position.
BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2929 - 03/01/2024 21:52:49
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