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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "So you think they would be happy to live in a state - not even the 32 county Republic by the way - in which most of the wealth is owned by non national corporations, and in which 20% of the population is not even Irish, and heading rapidly to be way more than that?

You reckon that was what maybe inspired them?"
Most of the wealth is owned by very rich Irish people. Around 3% of the population. Its far from the 32 county socialist Republic that Connolly wanted we live in Barney.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11240 - 04/12/2023 16:13:47    2515499

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Replying To Viking66:  "Most of the wealth is owned by very rich Irish people. Around 3% of the population. Its far from the 32 county socialist Republic that Connolly wanted we live in Barney."
Most of the record 2.6m people working in this State today would not want a "Socialist Republic" or a return to Barney's 1950s or is it the 1980s?
As for his comment about people "not even Irish"....enuf said.

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1284 - 04/12/2023 16:59:07    2515501

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Replying To Viking66:  "Most of the wealth is owned by very rich Irish people. Around 3% of the population. Its far from the 32 county socialist Republic that Connolly wanted we live in Barney."
Communism didn't work out so well for countries that embraced it.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11216 - 04/12/2023 18:29:13    2515516

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Just on another thing which sort of epitomises the mentality of our "elite"

Where were all those paradises of freedom and plenty and "equality" that existed in 1950, that were so much better than Ireland?

One third of the planet was under Communism, for a start. Which appears to be the ideal of the major party in the opinion polls.

Feel free to suggest..."
I am not too sure that the main opposition party as a whole want to revert to the Communist system. Maybe a smaller hard left party believe in the Communist ideal.

thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1696 - 04/12/2023 22:49:57    2515537

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "Most of the record 2.6m people working in this State today would not want a "Socialist Republic" or a return to Barney's 1950s or is it the 1980s?
As for his comment about people "not even Irish"....enuf said."
According to the Census from 2022. Just under 20% of population of state was non Irish. That has gone up since Ukraine etc. It is a statement of fact, enough said.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2420 - 05/12/2023 10:21:45    2515570

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Replying To yew_tree:  "Communism didn't work out so well for countries that embraced it."
WTF has communism got to do with it? I'm talking about socialism. Real socialism is equality of opportunity. Which starts with education. It has to be free with no hidden charges. 3rd level included. Equality of healthcare access would be a second. Affordable housing that low wage earners can actually afford to rent or buy would be a 3rd. Connolly wasn't looking for a totalitarian regime where some animals were more equal than others, to quote George Orwell.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11240 - 05/12/2023 10:42:55    2515572

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "According to the Census from 2022. Just under 20% of population of state was non Irish. That has gone up since Ukraine etc. It is a statement of fact, enough said."
What was the question in the Cebsus?
I have a number of relations who were born in England but now live here.
Are they "non Irish"?

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1284 - 05/12/2023 10:54:35    2515578

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "What was the question in the Cebsus?
I have a number of relations who were born in England but now live here.
Are they "non Irish"?"
They asked people where they were born.

Of course people born to Irish families abroad are Irish. Indeed, if you applied that criteria to people born here of non Irish families, the non Irish population be a few points higher than what it is,

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2420 - 05/12/2023 11:33:01    2515588

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "What was the question in the Cebsus?
I have a number of relations who were born in England but now live here.
Are they "non Irish"?"
The question was on country of citizenship. If your relations are Irish citizens, then they wouldn't be classified as non-Irish.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 1997 - 05/12/2023 11:36:59    2515591

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "According to the Census from 2022. Just under 20% of population of state was non Irish. That has gone up since Ukraine etc. It is a statement of fact, enough said."
Was James Connolly, from Edinburgh, Irish?

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 4926 - 05/12/2023 12:23:40    2515598

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "What was the question in the Cebsus?
I have a number of relations who were born in England but now live here.
Are they "non Irish"?"
You know what the man means, people like you I just don't get, would you like to see the day when native Irish people are in a minority here or what? we'll end up as bad as the places these young men are fleeing from if we keep going the way it is.
For what died the sons of Róisín? when we've sold enough of Ireland to be but strangers in it.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2670 - 05/12/2023 12:23:55    2515599

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Replying To cavanman47:  "Was James Connolly, from Edinburgh, Irish?"
Of course he was. His family were Irish. Same way as someone born here of two non national parents would generally regard themselves as of that nationality. I know quite a few people From Poland, India and elsewhere who have had children born here. They don't consider either themselves or their children as anything other than Poles or Indians.

Did Shane McGowan consider himself to be English, or worse "New English"?

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2420 - 05/12/2023 15:22:24    2515619

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "You know what the man means, people like you I just don't get, would you like to see the day when native Irish people are in a minority here or what? we'll end up as bad as the places these young men are fleeing from if we keep going the way it is.
For what died the sons of Róisín? when we've sold enough of Ireland to be but strangers in it."
Stop putting words I never said into my mouth please!!

If you want to stop immigration you need the State to
1 leave the Common Travel Area so necessitating a hard border between 6 and 26.

2 leave the EU

3 stop employers getting work permits to fill vacancies

4 only give holiday visas for a month

5 no foreign students.

Or YOUz could go to Albania rather than trying to create it here.

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1284 - 05/12/2023 15:56:48    2515626

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Replying To Viking66:  "WTF has communism got to do with it? I'm talking about socialism. Real socialism is equality of opportunity. Which starts with education. It has to be free with no hidden charges. 3rd level included. Equality of healthcare access would be a second. Affordable housing that low wage earners can actually afford to rent or buy would be a 3rd. Connolly wasn't looking for a totalitarian regime where some animals were more equal than others, to quote George Orwell."
Great Post. This a very simple and more importantly achievable set of ideals of there was any political will to do it

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 2548 - 05/12/2023 16:46:55    2515633

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Of course he was. His family were Irish. Same way as someone born here of two non national parents would generally regard themselves as of that nationality. I know quite a few people From Poland, India and elsewhere who have had children born here. They don't consider either themselves or their children as anything other than Poles or Indians.

Did Shane McGowan consider himself to be English, or worse "New English"?"
I saw an old picture of him yesterday wearing a union Jack blazer type jacket. Can't say I know too many Irish men who'd do that.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1887 - 05/12/2023 17:38:25    2515638

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "Stop putting words I never said into my mouth please!!

If you want to stop immigration you need the State to
1 leave the Common Travel Area so necessitating a hard border between 6 and 26.

2 leave the EU

3 stop employers getting work permits to fill vacancies

4 only give holiday visas for a month

5 no foreign students.

Or YOUz could go to Albania rather than trying to create it here."
Of course legal immigration is a good thing, it's the illegal unvetted free for all that will destroy the EU and was the biggest reason they voted Brexit next door, anyone who can't see that is willfully blind imo.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2670 - 05/12/2023 20:52:37    2515661

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Replying To Bon:  "I saw an old picture of him yesterday wearing a union Jack blazer type jacket. Can't say I know too many Irish men who'd do that."
I'd imagine there was a bit of irony going on there!

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2420 - 05/12/2023 21:04:42    2515664

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "Of course legal immigration is a good thing, it's the illegal unvetted free for all that will destroy the EU and was the biggest reason they voted Brexit next door, anyone who can't see that is willfully blind imo."
Anyone applying for International Protection is NOT ILLEGAL unless their application is refused and they don't leave.
They are "vetted" as part of the checking their application process.
The eejits next door have stopped people from Europe immigrating but have had to get 500,000 people from India and Nigeria in instead.

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1284 - 05/12/2023 21:13:37    2515665

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "Of course legal immigration is a good thing, it's the illegal unvetted free for all that will destroy the EU and was the biggest reason they voted Brexit next door, anyone who can't see that is willfully blind imo."
The amount of misinformation on immigration is absolutely hilarious. None more so than across the crowd next door. We are slowly starting the same rhetoric here. It's dangerous.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7788 - 05/12/2023 22:01:16    2515670

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Of course he was. His family were Irish. Same way as someone born here of two non national parents would generally regard themselves as of that nationality. I know quite a few people From Poland, India and elsewhere who have had children born here. They don't consider either themselves or their children as anything other than Poles or Indians.

Did Shane McGowan consider himself to be English, or worse "New English"?"
Like Declan Rice or Jack Grealish.

updwell (Limerick) - Posts: 801 - 05/12/2023 22:36:19    2515676

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