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BigBadBill27 (Galway) - Posts: 15 - 30/06/2022 08:31:45    2428747

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Replying To JP91:  "If memory serves I was fairly certain mackin got injured in training. It was great to see him back on Sunday and hopefully he will kick on next season"
Good to see him back with the goggles on to protect the eye. Armagh ahead of the game when it comes to preventing eye injuries.

HEREBENJI (Donegal) - Posts: 421 - 30/06/2022 09:06:39    2428748

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Replying To kingpuck71:  "Asking the question. Out of interest why do you think the " contributing to a melee " is a crazy rule?"
Question hardly needs answering , but to state the obvious , it's far to vague at term.
What is contributing? It could be argued that the fellow who kicked the ball in the direction of the initial tackle that starts a melee contributes to it. Everyone in the proximity , even if they are peacemakers , are contributing to the melee, even if its a positive contribution, like the 2 lads on Sunday.

anotheralias (Galway) - Posts: 840 - 30/06/2022 09:18:25    2428751

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "About the same as the 2018 Hurling Final."
When fellas were down injured the last day the game wasn't stopped the minute they went down unlike the 2018 AIF. There was at most 6 minutes of stoppage in the Galway v Armagh.

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1785 - 30/06/2022 09:32:39    2428753

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Replying To kingpuck71:  "Asking the question. Out of interest why do you think the " contributing to a melee " is a crazy rule?"
Because based on Sean Kelly, clearly there is no difference between "contributing" to a melee versus trying to defuse a situation.

BLT (Galway) - Posts: 53 - 30/06/2022 09:37:41    2428755

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Replying To baire:  "When fellas were down injured the last day the game wasn't stopped the minute they went down unlike the 2018 AIF. There was at most 6 minutes of stoppage in the Galway v Armagh."
But Baire, you would agree that on some occasions there is far too little extra time. There can be stoppages and a huge influx of subs and you can end with two or three minutes extra time, which is absurd.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4317 - 30/06/2022 10:28:03    2428762

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Replying To BLT:  "Because based on Sean Kelly, clearly there is no difference between "contributing" to a melee versus trying to defuse a situation."
Anyone with a fair and balanced view first of all should know that Sean Kelly is one of the cleanest and fairest players around and secondly that he was trying to act as peacemaker throughout. When he saw the eye gouging incident he went after the perpetrator and tried to highlight that person to the powers that be who seemed to have their head in the sand throughout the whole game re off the ball / sly belts etc. from Armagh players in the main from what I could see at least. He did not in anyway "contribute to the melee" and neither did Aidan Nugent in fairness.

tommy k (Galway) - Posts: 3314 - 30/06/2022 10:36:04    2428768

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Replying To tommy k:  "Anyone with a fair and balanced view first of all should know that Sean Kelly is one of the cleanest and fairest players around and secondly that he was trying to act as peacemaker throughout. When he saw the eye gouging incident he went after the perpetrator and tried to highlight that person to the powers that be who seemed to have their head in the sand throughout the whole game re off the ball / sly belts etc. from Armagh players in the main from what I could see at least. He did not in anyway "contribute to the melee" and neither did Aidan Nugent in fairness."
TY Mr. Ste the obvious

BLT (Galway) - Posts: 53 - 30/06/2022 11:31:55    2428778

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Replying To BLT:  "TY Mr. Ste the obvious"
I was agreeing with you so no need for the smartass remark!

tommy k (Galway) - Posts: 3314 - 30/06/2022 11:56:17    2428785

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Replying To BLT:  "Because based on Sean Kelly, clearly there is no difference between "contributing" to a melee versus trying to defuse a situation."
Ok. I'll try and give my slant on what I believe the GAA are trying to do.

When Comer and his Armagh counterpart were holding and shoving and doing basically not an awful lot, then everyone else should stay clear and let the officials deal with it.

The fact that the first person jumps in to " defuse a situation " means that someone else then jumps in to " defuse " the situation before there are 30 people trying to defuse the situation.

Amazing how trying to diffuse a situation is normally ( not always ) by reaching for someone from the opposition and dragging them away or getting them in a headlock or maybe even worse. This ignites the spark that contributes the melee.

Then all of a sudden someone tries to diffuse the situation in a more aggressive manner and the whole thing kicks off.

So everyone that waded in after the initial 2 people contributed to what happened. Lets not kid ourselves. When most were running in they were not going in shouting calm down lads or lets sort this out. It was a case off I'm going for the first person in an opposition shirt, bib, tracksuit.

Maybe the wording is too vague but the message should be that if an incident kicks off then stay out and let the officials sort it. But sure where's the craic in that.

Another problem is that the GAA won't apply the rules of the Official guide properly, therefore will create, as they already have, a situation where this kind of thing will never stop.

kingpuck71 (Derry) - Posts: 689 - 30/06/2022 12:43:31    2428794

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Replying To anotheralias:  "Question hardly needs answering , but to state the obvious , it's far to vague at term.
What is contributing? It could be argued that the fellow who kicked the ball in the direction of the initial tackle that starts a melee contributes to it. Everyone in the proximity , even if they are peacemakers , are contributing to the melee, even if its a positive contribution, like the 2 lads on Sunday."
Maybe vague, but everyone that gets involved after Comer and the Armagh man started jostling are contributing. You're been a bit silly when saying that the person that kicks the ball in the direction of a tackle that starts a melee is contributing. Sarcasm at it's worst.
You, along with the rest of us know what contributing is.
I have replied to another poster here about this.
Look at a lot of the peacemakers on Sunday. Who are they grabbing and pulling at? Peacekeeping or making the situation worse? Be honest. Through all the games you have watched, club or county, how many peacemakers have there been in this kind of thing and have any of them really helped?

Bottom line is. 2 men in a scuffle. Everyone else stay out of the way. If this had happened on Sunday the officials would have dealt with the situation and this thread would not even have started.

kingpuck71 (Derry) - Posts: 689 - 30/06/2022 12:53:32    2428801

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Replying To BLT:  "Because based on Sean Kelly, clearly there is no difference between "contributing" to a melee versus trying to defuse a situation."
The guys who were supposed to have contributed to a melee (but clearly didn't) were red carded while the 2 who CAUSED the melee got away and could play on…. Typical GAA methodology:..: as usual they get everything **** about face….!!!!

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 1908 - 30/06/2022 13:05:28    2428805

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Yes I know what you mean about some "peacemakers" actually head-locking / scuffling with opposition team-members and backroom staff rather then their own which would be more constructive. A lot of them too are the macho / false bravado "hold me back or I'll kill him" types!

tommy k (Galway) - Posts: 3314 - 30/06/2022 13:18:21    2428809

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Replying To kingpuck71:  "Maybe vague, but everyone that gets involved after Comer and the Armagh man started jostling are contributing. You're been a bit silly when saying that the person that kicks the ball in the direction of a tackle that starts a melee is contributing. Sarcasm at it's worst.
You, along with the rest of us know what contributing is.
I have replied to another poster here about this.
Look at a lot of the peacemakers on Sunday. Who are they grabbing and pulling at? Peacekeeping or making the situation worse? Be honest. Through all the games you have watched, club or county, how many peacemakers have there been in this kind of thing and have any of them really helped?

Bottom line is. 2 men in a scuffle. Everyone else stay out of the way. If this had happened on Sunday the officials would have dealt with the situation and this thread would not even have started."
I must be stupid i actually dont know whats contributing. If a lad goes to break up the 2 original lads is he contributing if the general intent is peacemaking but he pulls or drags or pushes someone whike doing it, is that contributing Please tell me the boundaries . To me at the very least the term is extremely subjective. And i certainly do not want to hear that the 2 original lads should be let have at it..
.in that case in particular if there is a strength mismatch someone is going to get seriously hurt.

anotheralias (Galway) - Posts: 840 - 30/06/2022 14:10:49    2428829

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Replying To kingpuck71:  "Ok. I'll try and give my slant on what I believe the GAA are trying to do.

When Comer and his Armagh counterpart were holding and shoving and doing basically not an awful lot, then everyone else should stay clear and let the officials deal with it.

The fact that the first person jumps in to " defuse a situation " means that someone else then jumps in to " defuse " the situation before there are 30 people trying to defuse the situation.

Amazing how trying to diffuse a situation is normally ( not always ) by reaching for someone from the opposition and dragging them away or getting them in a headlock or maybe even worse. This ignites the spark that contributes the melee.

Then all of a sudden someone tries to diffuse the situation in a more aggressive manner and the whole thing kicks off.

So everyone that waded in after the initial 2 people contributed to what happened. Lets not kid ourselves. When most were running in they were not going in shouting calm down lads or lets sort this out. It was a case off I'm going for the first person in an opposition shirt, bib, tracksuit.

Maybe the wording is too vague but the message should be that if an incident kicks off then stay out and let the officials sort it. But sure where's the craic in that.

Another problem is that the GAA won't apply the rules of the Official guide properly, therefore will create, as they already have, a situation where this kind of thing will never stop."
Since when did Derry become so squeaky clean, not bad at the off the ball stuff either. Hopefully Kelly makes it back, can't see any reason why not.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2006 - 30/06/2022 14:26:32    2428836

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Replying To kingpuck71:  "Ok. I'll try and give my slant on what I believe the GAA are trying to do.

When Comer and his Armagh counterpart were holding and shoving and doing basically not an awful lot, then everyone else should stay clear and let the officials deal with it.

The fact that the first person jumps in to " defuse a situation " means that someone else then jumps in to " defuse " the situation before there are 30 people trying to defuse the situation.

Amazing how trying to diffuse a situation is normally ( not always ) by reaching for someone from the opposition and dragging them away or getting them in a headlock or maybe even worse. This ignites the spark that contributes the melee.

Then all of a sudden someone tries to diffuse the situation in a more aggressive manner and the whole thing kicks off.

So everyone that waded in after the initial 2 people contributed to what happened. Lets not kid ourselves. When most were running in they were not going in shouting calm down lads or lets sort this out. It was a case off I'm going for the first person in an opposition shirt, bib, tracksuit.

Maybe the wording is too vague but the message should be that if an incident kicks off then stay out and let the officials sort it. But sure where's the craic in that.

Another problem is that the GAA won't apply the rules of the Official guide properly, therefore will create, as they already have, a situation where this kind of thing will never stop."
Yes. To a large extent I agree with you and in an ideal world that would be a very good solution.
But in reality , when have you last seen an official go in and physically break up a fight. And if a team mate sees a colleague on the ground with an opponent on top of him pucking the head of him, you hardly expect him to say , ah , i'll just let this happen until the ref or linesman breaks it up.
You wouldn't walk by if it was happening a stranger on the street so you are hardly going to let it happen your buddy.

anotheralias (Galway) - Posts: 840 - 30/06/2022 16:36:21    2428879

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Replying To Saynothing:  "Since when did Derry become so squeaky clean, not bad at the off the ball stuff either. Hopefully Kelly makes it back, can't see any reason why not."
I take it you wont be shouting for Derry ,and i agree Kelly should be back

germac (Down) - Posts: 533 - 30/06/2022 21:40:09    2428917

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Replying To kingpuck71:  "Ok. I'll try and give my slant on what I believe the GAA are trying to do.

When Comer and his Armagh counterpart were holding and shoving and doing basically not an awful lot, then everyone else should stay clear and let the officials deal with it.

The fact that the first person jumps in to " defuse a situation " means that someone else then jumps in to " defuse " the situation before there are 30 people trying to defuse the situation.

Amazing how trying to diffuse a situation is normally ( not always ) by reaching for someone from the opposition and dragging them away or getting them in a headlock or maybe even worse. This ignites the spark that contributes the melee.

Then all of a sudden someone tries to diffuse the situation in a more aggressive manner and the whole thing kicks off.

So everyone that waded in after the initial 2 people contributed to what happened. Lets not kid ourselves. When most were running in they were not going in shouting calm down lads or lets sort this out. It was a case off I'm going for the first person in an opposition shirt, bib, tracksuit.

Maybe the wording is too vague but the message should be that if an incident kicks off then stay out and let the officials sort it. But sure where's the craic in that.

Another problem is that the GAA won't apply the rules of the Official guide properly, therefore will create, as they already have, a situation where this kind of thing will never stop."
Would agree with this. Even if someone from one team goes in with the full intention of diffusing the situation whether that be by trying to separate them or pull a player back, the physical interaction to the opposition looks like they are getting involved causing others to join in.
Players need to stand back end of.

Orchardgael22 (Armagh) - Posts: 15 - 30/06/2022 22:02:41    2428920

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Replying To kingpuck71:  "Ok. I'll try and give my slant on what I believe the GAA are trying to do.

When Comer and his Armagh counterpart were holding and shoving and doing basically not an awful lot, then everyone else should stay clear and let the officials deal with it.

The fact that the first person jumps in to " defuse a situation " means that someone else then jumps in to " defuse " the situation before there are 30 people trying to defuse the situation.

Amazing how trying to diffuse a situation is normally ( not always ) by reaching for someone from the opposition and dragging them away or getting them in a headlock or maybe even worse. This ignites the spark that contributes the melee.

Then all of a sudden someone tries to diffuse the situation in a more aggressive manner and the whole thing kicks off.

So everyone that waded in after the initial 2 people contributed to what happened. Lets not kid ourselves. When most were running in they were not going in shouting calm down lads or lets sort this out. It was a case off I'm going for the first person in an opposition shirt, bib, tracksuit.

Maybe the wording is too vague but the message should be that if an incident kicks off then stay out and let the officials sort it. But sure where's the craic in that.

Another problem is that the GAA won't apply the rules of the Official guide properly, therefore will create, as they already have, a situation where this kind of thing will never stop."
Hard not to agree with everything u say.

I think we should not over react to the pushing and shoving aspect.

Certain things need to be called out in the rules specifically:
*Headlocks or any neck roll/throw. There is a level of danger attached to these actions more so than even a punch in my opinion. One incident in particular last Sunday looked nasty. These are my pet hate

*Obviously interference with the eyes also needs to be called out.

*Pushing someone off the pitch is very dangerous with players falling over gates/walls or down stairs and tunnels. On the pitch this is no big deal but we have all seen a small push on concrete cause injuries when studs slip and the player flies backwards

*Striking/kicking out is already covered in the rules

Mayonman (Galway) - Posts: 1826 - 01/07/2022 08:42:11    2428926

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Replying To kingpuck71:  "Ok. I'll try and give my slant on what I believe the GAA are trying to do.

When Comer and his Armagh counterpart were holding and shoving and doing basically not an awful lot, then everyone else should stay clear and let the officials deal with it.

The fact that the first person jumps in to " defuse a situation " means that someone else then jumps in to " defuse " the situation before there are 30 people trying to defuse the situation.

Amazing how trying to diffuse a situation is normally ( not always ) by reaching for someone from the opposition and dragging them away or getting them in a headlock or maybe even worse. This ignites the spark that contributes the melee.

Then all of a sudden someone tries to diffuse the situation in a more aggressive manner and the whole thing kicks off.

So everyone that waded in after the initial 2 people contributed to what happened. Lets not kid ourselves. When most were running in they were not going in shouting calm down lads or lets sort this out. It was a case off I'm going for the first person in an opposition shirt, bib, tracksuit.

Maybe the wording is too vague but the message should be that if an incident kicks off then stay out and let the officials sort it. But sure where's the craic in that.

Another problem is that the GAA won't apply the rules of the Official guide properly, therefore will create, as they already have, a situation where this kind of thing will never stop."
I think the key words in your post are "when an incident kicks off". The incidents don't just kick off, someone starts them, usually one player who somehow can't pass an opponent as he leaves the field without giving a shoulder in the back or similar. Because all the players are in close proximity a "melee" often develops. If the player that gives the shoulder first was dealt with severely it would sort this out. Importantly the player that risks "kicking it off" should be suspended whether a melee ensues or not.

sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 674 - 01/07/2022 09:06:46    2428929

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