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Replying To Cockney_Cat: "Saturday 11 June
All-Ireland SFC Qualifiers round 2
Roscommon v Clare, Croke Park, 3.45pm - Sky Sports
Kildare v Mayo, Croke Park, 6pm - Sky Sports
Sunday 12 June
All-Ireland MFC quarter-finals
Mayo v Kildare, Tullamore, TBC
Dublin v Galway, Tullamore, TBC
Is there no way that the two Mayo v Kildare games could be played at the same venue on the same day?" God no, sure that would make too much sense...
Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2391 - 08/06/2022 11:36:57
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Replying To Cockney_Cat: "Saturday 11 June
All-Ireland SFC Qualifiers round 2
Roscommon v Clare, Croke Park, 3.45pm - Sky Sports
Kildare v Mayo, Croke Park, 6pm - Sky Sports
Sunday 12 June
All-Ireland MFC quarter-finals
Mayo v Kildare, Tullamore, TBC
Dublin v Galway, Tullamore, TBC
Is there no way that the two Mayo v Kildare games could be played at the same venue on the same day?" I think the double headers on Saturday nights are aimed at trying to get the neutrals in as part of their Saturday night to be honest. Kildare and Mayo should be a good game, I'll probably go into it if a few pals were up for it but that's just because it's nearby. Completely understand why people living in Mayo wouldn't make the journey. I do have some sympathy for the GAA in the fact that the cost of an evening in Dublin in a bog standard hotel is gigantic. I'm sure that will turn people off travelling and that's not something the GAA can control.
Doesn't help that Ireland play Scotland across the city on the same day and I think Leinster might have an important game this weekend too?
Victorious87 (Wicklow) - Posts: 597 - 08/06/2022 11:53:59
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Replying To Victorious87: " Replying To Cockney_Cat: "Saturday 11 June
All-Ireland SFC Qualifiers round 2
Roscommon v Clare, Croke Park, 3.45pm - Sky Sports
Kildare v Mayo, Croke Park, 6pm - Sky Sports
Sunday 12 June
All-Ireland MFC quarter-finals
Mayo v Kildare, Tullamore, TBC
Dublin v Galway, Tullamore, TBC
Is there no way that the two Mayo v Kildare games could be played at the same venue on the same day?" I think the double headers on Saturday nights are aimed at trying to get the neutrals in as part of their Saturday night to be honest. Kildare and Mayo should be a good game, I'll probably go into it if a few pals were up for it but that's just because it's nearby. Completely understand why people living in Mayo wouldn't make the journey. I do have some sympathy for the GAA in the fact that the cost of an evening in Dublin in a bog standard hotel is gigantic. I'm sure that will turn people off travelling and that's not something the GAA can control. Doesn't help that Ireland play Scotland across the city on the same day and I think Leinster might have an important game this weekend too?"
Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2391 - 08/06/2022 12:04:51
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Replying To Loughduff Lad: " Replying To Victorious87: "[quote=Cockney_Cat: "Saturday 11 June
All-Ireland SFC Qualifiers round 2
Roscommon v Clare, Croke Park, 3.45pm - Sky Sports
Kildare v Mayo, Croke Park, 6pm - Sky Sports
Sunday 12 June
All-Ireland MFC quarter-finals
Mayo v Kildare, Tullamore, TBC
Dublin v Galway, Tullamore, TBC
Is there no way that the two Mayo v Kildare games could be played at the same venue on the same day?" I think the double headers on Saturday nights are aimed at trying to get the neutrals in as part of their Saturday night to be honest. Kildare and Mayo should be a good game, I'll probably go into it if a few pals were up for it but that's just because it's nearby. Completely understand why people living in Mayo wouldn't make the journey. I do have some sympathy for the GAA in the fact that the cost of an evening in Dublin in a bog standard hotel is gigantic. I'm sure that will turn people off travelling and that's not something the GAA can control. Doesn't help that Ireland play Scotland across the city on the same day and I think Leinster might have an important game this weekend too?"
If Sky needed to send a 2nd set of cameras to a provincial ground then tough luck.
StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1734 - 08/06/2022 14:50:21
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Replying To StoreysTash: " Replying To Loughduff Lad: "[quote=Victorious87: "[quote=Cockney_Cat: "Saturday 11 June
All-Ireland SFC Qualifiers round 2
Roscommon v Clare, Croke Park, 3.45pm - Sky Sports
Kildare v Mayo, Croke Park, 6pm - Sky Sports
Sunday 12 June
All-Ireland MFC quarter-finals
Mayo v Kildare, Tullamore, TBC
Dublin v Galway, Tullamore, TBC
Is there no way that the two Mayo v Kildare games could be played at the same venue on the same day?" I think the double headers on Saturday nights are aimed at trying to get the neutrals in as part of their Saturday night to be honest. Kildare and Mayo should be a good game, I'll probably go into it if a few pals were up for it but that's just because it's nearby. Completely understand why people living in Mayo wouldn't make the journey. I do have some sympathy for the GAA in the fact that the cost of an evening in Dublin in a bog standard hotel is gigantic. I'm sure that will turn people off travelling and that's not something the GAA can control. Doesn't help that Ireland play Scotland across the city on the same day and I think Leinster might have an important game this weekend too?"
If Sky needed to send a 2nd set of cameras to a provincial ground then tough luck."]Common sense would not be having bulk of our games now clashing with end of season games in other sports, but sure we made our bed with that with the split season. Not much we can do now when there are other sports big games on. Shouldn't be in Croker though, that's the bad decision made here
Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2391 - 08/06/2022 15:11:41
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "I don't think yesterday's Leinster hurling final will be one for reeling in the years 2022.
Was there any real merit in playing that match in Croke Park at 7 o'clock in the evening, involving 2 counties with long drives to the game? I don't know if it was just on TV but the atmosphere looked vacant.
Why not play that game in Limerick, Portlaoise or Tullamore? I know Thurles has the Munster final today and it was to be a double header with the Joe McDonagh Cup, but could the Joe Mc not be played with the Ring/Rackard/Meagher finals?
I don't buy the "it has to be played in Leinster" nonsense. Why does it? Does anybody give a hoot? The GAA own all these stadiums. Rule #1 in the GAA needs to become play the game at a location and time to suit the supporter and get bums on seats.
Does the GAA need to invest in upgrading Portlaoise or Tullamore to a 40-45k capacity so they could host every game bar the All-Ireland semi final and final? It could solve so many problems regarding capacity.
Like the decibel levels in Nowlan Park 2 weeks ago were far more than anything in Croke Park yesterday. Same in Cusack Park I would say for Clare/Limerick. Small grounds by their nature create magical atmospheres and memorable occasions.
They get lost all too often in Croke Park." Premium seat holders pay over a thousand euro a year for their seat. They deserve to get some bang for their buck. Seven o clock on a Saturday evening seems to be the time allotted for a Leinster hurling final now . I agree with you. It's a terrible time to play it and those who arrange it show nothing but contempt for the supporters.
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 08/06/2022 15:37:04
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The elephant in the room in all of this is Croke Park and it's going to be hard to address. The stadium is badly designed and far too big for what the GAA needs.
In the heady days of the celtic tiger in the mid 2000s when the stadium was new and shiny and the football championship way more competitive, is was great. However it has not aged well and does not compare well to modern stadia in different sports. Realistically the GAA can only fill it now on AI final days and with Ed Sheeran, Garth Brooks. Croke Park experience is absolutely no comparison to a day out at a provenical venue, fans mingling around the town for the day having the banter, full house in a close compact venue. The GAA need a 50-55K modern stadium as it's flagship venue and ideally not in the middle of Dublin. Doubt there'll be enough appetite or budget to take such a project on for a while though.
Hawkeye2 (Wicklow) - Posts: 121 - 08/06/2022 15:37:33
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Replying To Hawkeye2: "The elephant in the room in all of this is Croke Park and it's going to be hard to address. The stadium is badly designed and far too big for what the GAA needs.
In the heady days of the celtic tiger in the mid 2000s when the stadium was new and shiny and the football championship way more competitive, is was great. However it has not aged well and does not compare well to modern stadia in different sports. Realistically the GAA can only fill it now on AI final days and with Ed Sheeran, Garth Brooks. Croke Park experience is absolutely no comparison to a day out at a provenical venue, fans mingling around the town for the day having the banter, full house in a close compact venue. The GAA need a 50-55K modern stadium as it's flagship venue and ideally not in the middle of Dublin. Doubt there'll be enough appetite or budget to take such a project on for a while though." It still is a great stadium in itself - the GAA should be lobbying for more to make the stadium easier to access and attend. There isn't really parking around the stadium. Its hard to drive to Dublin city center anyway. There is a train station nearby though. Why not have some special match trains taking supporters to and from the venue? The train price could even be included in the ticket price (like it is in so many other countries). But no - instead we get evening throw ins with the last train leaving before the match even starts.
You're right in saying that there doesn't seem to be the same interest in the championship as there was in the mid 2000's. There's been loads of posts on the forums here as to why this is the case. Probably safe to say that a Meath V Kildare Leinster final would have quite a few more at it that anyone against Dublin. The chickens are coming home to roost in terms of empty seats.
As for a 50-55k stadium somewhere - with Croke Park finished and Pairc Ui Chaoimh finished; Casement Park is now the next Stadium to get a full upgrade and makeover. Once that is done - surely there is a need to have a new stadium like that in Connaught - I'd suggest a new ground somewhere like Athenry - on a main train line and by the M6, M17 & M18. It would be well able to hold Saturday's double header with less hassle involved getting there from all 4 counties - in my opinion including my own.
brianb (Kildare) - Posts: 288 - 08/06/2022 16:22:50
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Replying To OpenStand: "The main thing seems to be to get these games out of the way as soon as possible , games upon games .
How are people supposed to be able to afford to go to games 6 or 7 weekends in a row out of 8 . Hard keep track of all the matchs that are on in these new compressed ( get it out of the way ASAP ) championship.
Playing the Leinster Hurling final on a saturday evening in Dublin was an insult to the game . Probably be on in Abbotstown next year on a Tuesday afternoon!" Aw ****, I'm working that Tuesday
Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 1040 - 08/06/2022 16:27:05
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Replying To Greengrass: "Premium seat holders pay over a thousand euro a year for their seat. They deserve to get some bang for their buck. Seven o clock on a Saturday evening seems to be the time allotted for a Leinster hurling final now . I agree with you. It's a terrible time to play it and those who arrange it show nothing but contempt for the supporters." The plan is to alternate the Leinster and Munster finals for Saturday/Sunday. It was fine this year but there will be blue murder when the tables are turned next year!
ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1133 - 08/06/2022 16:53:59
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I don't see the need for another major ground in Connacht. I don't ever see McHale Park full.
There is a need for a stadium on the M7 though which is in Leinster since common sense of playing the like of the Leinster Final in Thurles seems to be out of the question.
ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1133 - 08/06/2022 16:55:24
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One thing definitely not need in this country is any more stadium , no more matches in most of them for rest of year very few are ever near full it's like building a big new house and living in it about 3 times a year ,, and when gaa get opportunity to play matches In them .what they do bring them croke park. Pure joke Galway v Kilkenny brutal crowd matches this weekend I'd say at best 30k I'm it I'd say for start of Ross v clare hard see 12-15 thousand in it
Kickitout (Galway) - Posts: 844 - 08/06/2022 18:00:32
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "I don't see the need for another major ground in Connacht. I don't ever see McHale Park full.
There is a need for a stadium on the M7 though which is in Leinster since common sense of playing the like of the Leinster Final in Thurles seems to be out of the question." You will never see MacHale park "full" again. While the ground can technically hold 38,000, H&S restrictions in recent years means it will only ever be allowed to hold 24,000 max.
yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11232 - 08/06/2022 18:12:00
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "I don't see the need for another major ground in Connacht. I don't ever see McHale Park full.
There is a need for a stadium on the M7 though which is in Leinster since common sense of playing the like of the Leinster Final in Thurles seems to be out of the question." I think that your are missing the main point of the debate which is to reduce the distance that GAA supporters have to travel in order to support their teams. McHale Park in Castlebar is only about 10-15 miles from Westport which is on the west coast. Even for Roscommon supporters who live on the east / south side of Roscommon, a trip to Castlebar is a long distance. There is a need for the development of a large stadium in a more central location in Connacht that can handle 30,000 - 50,000 supporters for important matches and indeed concerts if that is where the money is.
Leinster has Portlaoise / Tullamore / Kilkenny (All central)
Munster has Thurles (Central)
Ulster has Clones and Cavan (Central)
Hyde Park in Roscommon would be the obvious choice for a major development in my opinion as I have stated on another forum. The main pitches in Salthill, Castlebar and Sligo are all near the coast. The M6 goes to Athlone and it is planned to extend the M4 to Longford. Roscommon also has a railway line which might suit retired Gaa supporters who want to avail of free travel. The pitch is within walking distance of the centre of town and near the railway station and there is very good parking facilities. In fact it would be an ideal location for the Mayo v Kildare match this weekend, where all the supporters could mingle and have the craic and still get home at a reasonable time.
Expecting Mayo fans to travel all the way to Croke for a 6.00 kick - off on a Saturday night where tourists and Ireland / Scotland soccer fans have pre booked all the hotels is madness. It is a long way back to Belmullet after the match and the pubs will be well closed if you want to have a pint to celebrate a win. Expecting Galway fans to attend a Leinster hurling final with a 7.00pm kickoff shows what the GAA thinks of its travelling supporters. Both of these matches were scheduled to satisfy Sky Sports. The genuine GAA supporters obviously did not come into consideration at all.
The GAA also tell us that they care about the environment. Time to put it into practice, by reducing the distance that supporters have to travel to matches.
letsgetgoing (Roscommon) - Posts: 513 - 08/06/2022 18:56:51
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Replying To Greengrass: "Premium seat holders pay over a thousand euro a year for their seat. They deserve to get some bang for their buck. Seven o clock on a Saturday evening seems to be the time allotted for a Leinster hurling final now . I agree with you. It's a terrible time to play it and those who arrange it show nothing but contempt for the supporters." The premium tickets were nt sold on a guareteed of a certain amount of games. My friend has two tickets. They were sold guareteeing him tickets for football and hurling finals and semi finals and maybe league finals etc (not guareteed) and an offer to get concert tickets). Corporate boxes are given away most of time as the big demand is for finals only. The corporate boxes are used to keep customers and clients happy. They are only full for big matches.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3677 - 08/06/2022 19:26:16
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "I don't think yesterday's Leinster hurling final will be one for reeling in the years 2022.
Was there any real merit in playing that match in Croke Park at 7 o'clock in the evening, involving 2 counties with long drives to the game? I don't know if it was just on TV but the atmosphere looked vacant.
Why not play that game in Limerick, Portlaoise or Tullamore? I know Thurles has the Munster final today and it was to be a double header with the Joe McDonagh Cup, but could the Joe Mc not be played with the Ring/Rackard/Meagher finals?
I don't buy the "it has to be played in Leinster" nonsense. Why does it? Does anybody give a hoot? The GAA own all these stadiums. Rule #1 in the GAA needs to become play the game at a location and time to suit the supporter and get bums on seats.
Does the GAA need to invest in upgrading Portlaoise or Tullamore to a 40-45k capacity so they could host every game bar the All-Ireland semi final and final? It could solve so many problems regarding capacity.
Like the decibel levels in Nowlan Park 2 weeks ago were far more than anything in Croke Park yesterday. Same in Cusack Park I would say for Clare/Limerick. Small grounds by their nature create magical atmospheres and memorable occasions.
They get lost all too often in Croke Park." There was only 8000 supporters allowed in for 2021 Leinster semi finals due to Covid. The atmosphere was actually very good because the whole stadium was used because of social distancing.
So it might be an idea to space out the supporters more when there is a small crowd, it makes the stadium appear more filled and you get the noise from all around.
WEX98 (Wexford) - Posts: 379 - 08/06/2022 21:27:55
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Replying To brianb: "It still is a great stadium in itself - the GAA should be lobbying for more to make the stadium easier to access and attend. There isn't really parking around the stadium. Its hard to drive to Dublin city center anyway. There is a train station nearby though. Why not have some special match trains taking supporters to and from the venue? The train price could even be included in the ticket price (like it is in so many other countries). But no - instead we get evening throw ins with the last train leaving before the match even starts.
You're right in saying that there doesn't seem to be the same interest in the championship as there was in the mid 2000's. There's been loads of posts on the forums here as to why this is the case. Probably safe to say that a Meath V Kildare Leinster final would have quite a few more at it that anyone against Dublin. The chickens are coming home to roost in terms of empty seats.
As for a 50-55k stadium somewhere - with Croke Park finished and Pairc Ui Chaoimh finished; Casement Park is now the next Stadium to get a full upgrade and makeover. Once that is done - surely there is a need to have a new stadium like that in Connaught - I'd suggest a new ground somewhere like Athenry - on a main train line and by the M6, M17 & M18. It would be well able to hold Saturday's double header with less hassle involved getting there from all 4 counties - in my opinion including my own." A 55k stadium in Athenry? That would just be a white elephant. The only stadium which needs to be upgraded is Portlaoise which can then be used for Leinster finals instead of a half empty Croker. Connacht doesn't need a 55k stadium.
Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 739 - 08/06/2022 21:58:47
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "I don't see the need for another major ground in Connacht. I don't ever see McHale Park full.
There is a need for a stadium on the M7 though which is in Leinster since common sense of playing the like of the Leinster Final in Thurles seems to be out of the question." O'Moore Park, Portlaoise is about half a mile from the M7.
Or were you looking for Dublin to get another GAA funded stadium?
cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5016 - 09/06/2022 09:02:09
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Replying To Hawkeye2: "The elephant in the room in all of this is Croke Park and it's going to be hard to address. The stadium is badly designed and far too big for what the GAA needs.
In the heady days of the celtic tiger in the mid 2000s when the stadium was new and shiny and the football championship way more competitive, is was great. However it has not aged well and does not compare well to modern stadia in different sports. Realistically the GAA can only fill it now on AI final days and with Ed Sheeran, Garth Brooks. Croke Park experience is absolutely no comparison to a day out at a provenical venue, fans mingling around the town for the day having the banter, full house in a close compact venue. The GAA need a 50-55K modern stadium as it's flagship venue and ideally not in the middle of Dublin. Doubt there'll be enough appetite or budget to take such a project on for a while though." Would Thurles be an ideal location for this 50-55k. Surely there can be improvements made there to increase capacity . I always loved matchdays in Thurles even though my own county have a dreadful record there. There is always a great buzz in the town and unbelievable atmosphere in the stadium. It's reasonably central to all counties aswell bar the Ulster counties. I was there last year for Wexford Clare when there was 4K allowed with the restrictions but the atmosphere was even good that day.
Afinestick (Wexford) - Posts: 999 - 09/06/2022 09:19:49
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Replying To cavanman47: "O'Moore Park, Portlaoise is about half a mile from the M7.
Or were you looking for Dublin to get another GAA funded stadium?" Read the first post on the thread for the answer to this.
ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1133 - 09/06/2022 09:56:51
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