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I don't think yesterday's Leinster hurling final will be one for reeling in the years 2022.
Was there any real merit in playing that match in Croke Park at 7 o'clock in the evening, involving 2 counties with long drives to the game? I don't know if it was just on TV but the atmosphere looked vacant.
Why not play that game in Limerick, Portlaoise or Tullamore? I know Thurles has the Munster final today and it was to be a double header with the Joe McDonagh Cup, but could the Joe Mc not be played with the Ring/Rackard/Meagher finals?
I don't buy the "it has to be played in Leinster" nonsense. Why does it? Does anybody give a hoot? The GAA own all these stadiums. Rule #1 in the GAA needs to become play the game at a location and time to suit the supporter and get bums on seats.
Does the GAA need to invest in upgrading Portlaoise or Tullamore to a 40-45k capacity so they could host every game bar the All-Ireland semi final and final? It could solve so many problems regarding capacity.
Like the decibel levels in Nowlan Park 2 weeks ago were far more than anything in Croke Park yesterday. Same in Cusack Park I would say for Clare/Limerick. Small grounds by their nature create magical atmospheres and memorable occasions.
They get lost all too often in Croke Park.
ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1133 - 05/06/2022 12:14:35
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "I don't think yesterday's Leinster hurling final will be one for reeling in the years 2022.
Was there any real merit in playing that match in Croke Park at 7 o'clock in the evening, involving 2 counties with long drives to the game? I don't know if it was just on TV but the atmosphere looked vacant.
Why not play that game in Limerick, Portlaoise or Tullamore? I know Thurles has the Munster final today and it was to be a double header with the Joe McDonagh Cup, but could the Joe Mc not be played with the Ring/Rackard/Meagher finals?
I don't buy the "it has to be played in Leinster" nonsense. Why does it? Does anybody give a hoot? The GAA own all these stadiums. Rule #1 in the GAA needs to become play the game at a location and time to suit the supporter and get bums on seats.
Does the GAA need to invest in upgrading Portlaoise or Tullamore to a 40-45k capacity so they could host every game bar the All-Ireland semi final and final? It could solve so many problems regarding capacity.
Like the decibel levels in Nowlan Park 2 weeks ago were far more than anything in Croke Park yesterday. Same in Cusack Park I would say for Clare/Limerick. Small grounds by their nature create magical atmospheres and memorable occasions.
They get lost all too often in Croke Park." It would have been very hard to get excited about that game last night.
Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1911 - 05/06/2022 12:37:34
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "I don't think yesterday's Leinster hurling final will be one for reeling in the years 2022.
Was there any real merit in playing that match in Croke Park at 7 o'clock in the evening, involving 2 counties with long drives to the game? I don't know if it was just on TV but the atmosphere looked vacant.
Why not play that game in Limerick, Portlaoise or Tullamore? I know Thurles has the Munster final today and it was to be a double header with the Joe McDonagh Cup, but could the Joe Mc not be played with the Ring/Rackard/Meagher finals?
I don't buy the "it has to be played in Leinster" nonsense. Why does it? Does anybody give a hoot? The GAA own all these stadiums. Rule #1 in the GAA needs to become play the game at a location and time to suit the supporter and get bums on seats.
Does the GAA need to invest in upgrading Portlaoise or Tullamore to a 40-45k capacity so they could host every game bar the All-Ireland semi final and final? It could solve so many problems regarding capacity.
Like the decibel levels in Nowlan Park 2 weeks ago were far more than anything in Croke Park yesterday. Same in Cusack Park I would say for Clare/Limerick. Small grounds by their nature create magical atmospheres and memorable occasions.
They get lost all too often in Croke Park." The Leinster Final was a poor game, Kilkenny did the simple things well, and won . Saturday evening was an odd time for a game, which should be played on Sunday, as a prestige match.
With the cost of fuel, and meals etc, people are not inclined to travel in these times, especially with games televised. Tullamore has a capacity of roughly 20,000, Portlaoise around the same.
It would take a big ask of the Leinster Council to fix a final for a venue other than Croke Park. I think money could be a factor in the choice of Croke Park, but that 's a personal opinion.
The Joe McDonagh and Leinster Finals should be a double header. Let's hope the Munster Final will be a better game than the Leinster decider.
thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1745 - 05/06/2022 12:43:18
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Agree, but it's all about TV schedules & TV Rights money & they have been dictating times, dates & venues for the last few years.
moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1212 - 05/06/2022 12:43:58
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "I don't think yesterday's Leinster hurling final will be one for reeling in the years 2022.
Was there any real merit in playing that match in Croke Park at 7 o'clock in the evening, involving 2 counties with long drives to the game? I don't know if it was just on TV but the atmosphere looked vacant.
Why not play that game in Limerick, Portlaoise or Tullamore? I know Thurles has the Munster final today and it was to be a double header with the Joe McDonagh Cup, but could the Joe Mc not be played with the Ring/Rackard/Meagher finals?
I don't buy the "it has to be played in Leinster" nonsense. Why does it? Does anybody give a hoot? The GAA own all these stadiums. Rule #1 in the GAA needs to become play the game at a location and time to suit the supporter and get bums on seats.
Does the GAA need to invest in upgrading Portlaoise or Tullamore to a 40-45k capacity so they could host every game bar the All-Ireland semi final and final? It could solve so many problems regarding capacity.
Like the decibel levels in Nowlan Park 2 weeks ago were far more than anything in Croke Park yesterday. Same in Cusack Park I would say for Clare/Limerick. Small grounds by their nature create magical atmospheres and memorable occasions.
They get lost all too often in Croke Park." Kilkenny and East Galway (the rest of Galway couldn't care less about anything other than a hurling all ireland final) are less than 2hrs to Croke Park
The problem is the cost and date.
between travel costs, food and ticket costs it could be €400 for a family - not many going to spend that on a manufactured rivalry (Galway in Leinster is just not going to be box office)
Most definitely not going to butcher a bank holiday weekend to do it either.
The farming community are too busy to be heading for Croke Park on the June bank holiday also. It's a busy time on the farm and townies just don't hurl.
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They might be less than 2 hours from Croke Park but the novelty of fans of either getting to Croke Park for 7 on a Saturday isn't there, and it might be 2 hours compare getting to it to getting to Tullamore for example.
Kilkenny are notoriously bad travellers at this stage of the championship so I doubt they'd have filled Tullamore of Portlaoise.
ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1133 - 07/06/2022 12:27:46
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Mayo and Kildare are playing in the All-Ireland SFC at 6pm on Saturday in Croke Park, while their minors will play each other in Tullamore at 2.30 pm the following day. The mind boggles.
Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 07/06/2022 13:27:13
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The main thing seems to be to get these games out of the way as soon as possible , games upon games .
How are people supposed to be able to afford to go to games 6 or 7 weekends in a row out of 8 . Hard keep track of all the matchs that are on in these new compressed ( get it out of the way ASAP ) championship.
Playing the Leinster Hurling final on a saturday evening in Dublin was an insult to the game . Probably be on in Abbotstown next year on a Tuesday afternoon!
OpenStand (Limerick) - Posts: 677 - 07/06/2022 15:43:07
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If Kerry are to meet the dubs game should be played in Thurles or Cork.
kerry4sam2022 (Australia) - Posts: 4 - 07/06/2022 15:59:15
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Think about this and let this sit for a minute.
On 23 April Waterford travelled to Limerick in the Munster SHC on a Saturday evening. Two days later Waterford minors travelled to Limerick to play the locals and the following evening another Waterford team again travelled to Limerick for a game. Three Waterford teams having to travel to Limerick on three different nights.
County boards should be doing much more to facilitate their county followers. But they are not.
johnocarroll17 (Limerick) - Posts: 408 - 07/06/2022 16:12:52
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Replying To johnocarroll17: "Think about this and let this sit for a minute.
On 23 April Waterford travelled to Limerick in the Munster SHC on a Saturday evening. Two days later Waterford minors travelled to Limerick to play the locals and the following evening another Waterford team again travelled to Limerick for a game. Three Waterford teams having to travel to Limerick on three different nights.
County boards should be doing much more to facilitate their county followers. But they are not." Not only is that stupid. It is morally wrong on some many counts. Wrong for the environment re. Wrong re waste of money for county boards and the supporters are being wronged also. Sometimes the Gaa and common sense are poles apart.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3677 - 07/06/2022 17:01:27
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For the first time in many years I and many of my friends did not go to a Leinster final,7pm on a Sat night for a final is an insult to KK and GY supporters,in KK we wouldnt get a train after the match,driving up and parking would have been a problem,I am sure many other KK and GY supporters felt the same.
mooncat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 534 - 07/06/2022 17:15:30
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Replying To kerry4sam2022: "If Kerry are to meet the dubs game should be played in Thurles or Cork." god no way, i want to be able get tickets,
Stmunnsriver (Wexford) - Posts: 2845 - 07/06/2022 20:03:56
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While there's no guarantee that a different time or venue would have done anything to improve the quality of the play, there's definitely a case to be made for the argument that an evening game on a Saturday night in the capital was a shambolic decision that suited neither set of supporters. They say crowds can lift some teams, subdue others, make a ref think twice before using the whistle, in short, add a vital ingredient to the spectacle of sporting event. So perhaps even the quality of the game would have been different. And a provincial final on a sturady night? A throwaway event at the end of your busy Saturday? You've brought the kids to their various practices, you've done your Saturday shopping, and the gardening you've put off all week, and the wife has finally being able to get you to clean the car, or the garage, or visit the mother, and then THEN you're supposed to get in a car and drive 120 miles to a game and drive home again so that you're pulling into the drive around midnight? Balderdash lads. Pure and simple.
festinog (Galway) - Posts: 3097 - 07/06/2022 20:16:11
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Replying To johnocarroll17: "Think about this and let this sit for a minute.
On 23 April Waterford travelled to Limerick in the Munster SHC on a Saturday evening. Two days later Waterford minors travelled to Limerick to play the locals and the following evening another Waterford team again travelled to Limerick for a game. Three Waterford teams having to travel to Limerick on three different nights.
County boards should be doing much more to facilitate their county followers. But they are not." I'll see your story and raise you this over the Easter bank holiday weekend if I remember right:
1. Wexford minor hurlers in Portlaoise on a Saturday afternoon, playing Laois. The very next day, the Wexford seniors play Laois in Portlaoise.
2. On Saturday evening (the same weekend) Wexford play Dublin in senior football championship in Wexford Park. On bank holiday Monday, the U20 hurlers played Dublin in Wexford Park.
I know TV rights etc come in to it but they did not come in to it with the minor hurlers. As CiarraiMick said they need to begin a bit of a consideration of the environmental impact as well as the cost to supporters.
I caught up last night on a couple of weeks of Wexford GAA on here and all the talk is of Cork being "promised" an All-Ireland quarter final. Never mind how badly it is located for the most likely participants in that, assuming Cork and Wexford win this weekend it'll be Wexford and Clare.
Although I don't believe anything will ever trump the Sarsfields (Galway) and Slaughneil (Derry) camogie match that was played in Gorey......
StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1734 - 08/06/2022 08:54:52
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Replying To StoreysTash: "I'll see your story and raise you this over the Easter bank holiday weekend if I remember right:
1. Wexford minor hurlers in Portlaoise on a Saturday afternoon, playing Laois. The very next day, the Wexford seniors play Laois in Portlaoise.
2. On Saturday evening (the same weekend) Wexford play Dublin in senior football championship in Wexford Park. On bank holiday Monday, the U20 hurlers played Dublin in Wexford Park.
I know TV rights etc come in to it but they did not come in to it with the minor hurlers. As CiarraiMick said they need to begin a bit of a consideration of the environmental impact as well as the cost to supporters.
I caught up last night on a couple of weeks of Wexford GAA on here and all the talk is of Cork being "promised" an All-Ireland quarter final. Never mind how badly it is located for the most likely participants in that, assuming Cork and Wexford win this weekend it'll be Wexford and Clare.
Although I don't believe anything will ever trump the Sarsfields (Galway) and Slaughneil (Derry) camogie match that was played in Gorey......" Tbh - I wonder is there money involved? In other words - do county boards get more money from Croke Park in the quiet provided the same county boards don't make a fuss about venues and schedules?
johnocarroll17 (Limerick) - Posts: 408 - 08/06/2022 10:53:12
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Replying To StoreysTash: "I'll see your story and raise you this over the Easter bank holiday weekend if I remember right:
1. Wexford minor hurlers in Portlaoise on a Saturday afternoon, playing Laois. The very next day, the Wexford seniors play Laois in Portlaoise.
2. On Saturday evening (the same weekend) Wexford play Dublin in senior football championship in Wexford Park. On bank holiday Monday, the U20 hurlers played Dublin in Wexford Park.
I know TV rights etc come in to it but they did not come in to it with the minor hurlers. As CiarraiMick said they need to begin a bit of a consideration of the environmental impact as well as the cost to supporters.
I caught up last night on a couple of weeks of Wexford GAA on here and all the talk is of Cork being "promised" an All-Ireland quarter final. Never mind how badly it is located for the most likely participants in that, assuming Cork and Wexford win this weekend it'll be Wexford and Clare.
Although I don't believe anything will ever trump the Sarsfields (Galway) and Slaughneil (Derry) camogie match that was played in Gorey......" Mind you - if supporters bit the bullet and stayed away from matches for a while I guarantee the CCCC would change their thoughts pretty quickly.
johnocarroll17 (Limerick) - Posts: 408 - 08/06/2022 10:54:43
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Saturday 11 June
All-Ireland SFC Qualifiers round 2
Roscommon v Clare, Croke Park, 3.45pm - Sky Sports
Kildare v Mayo, Croke Park, 6pm - Sky Sports
Sunday 12 June
All-Ireland MFC quarter-finals
Mayo v Kildare, Tullamore, TBC
Dublin v Galway, Tullamore, TBC
Is there no way that the two Mayo v Kildare games could be played at the same venue on the same day?
Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2477 - 08/06/2022 11:07:04
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Replying To johnocarroll17: " Replying To StoreysTash: "I'll see your story and raise you this over the Easter bank holiday weekend if I remember right:
1. Wexford minor hurlers in Portlaoise on a Saturday afternoon, playing Laois. The very next day, the Wexford seniors play Laois in Portlaoise.
2. On Saturday evening (the same weekend) Wexford play Dublin in senior football championship in Wexford Park. On bank holiday Monday, the U20 hurlers played Dublin in Wexford Park.
I know TV rights etc come in to it but they did not come in to it with the minor hurlers. As CiarraiMick said they need to begin a bit of a consideration of the environmental impact as well as the cost to supporters.
I caught up last night on a couple of weeks of Wexford GAA on here and all the talk is of Cork being "promised" an All-Ireland quarter final. Never mind how badly it is located for the most likely participants in that, assuming Cork and Wexford win this weekend it'll be Wexford and Clare.
Although I don't believe anything will ever trump the Sarsfields (Galway) and Slaughneil (Derry) camogie match that was played in Gorey......" Tbh - I wonder is there money involved? In other words - do county boards get more money from Croke Park in the quiet provided the same county boards don't make a fuss about venues and schedules?"
If it means not every match can be shown on TV, then so be it. It was like this before the 90's.
I think the point needs to be made though, if Leinster championships need to be played in the province (daft rule that it is) then Leinster needs a 40-50k capacity stadium to accommodate it in either Portlaoise or Tullamore, even though I am loathe to say the GAA needs more stadiums after the Pairc Ui Chaoimh debacle/waste.
ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1133 - 08/06/2022 11:32:31
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Replying To StoreysTash: "I'll see your story and raise you this over the Easter bank holiday weekend if I remember right:
1. Wexford minor hurlers in Portlaoise on a Saturday afternoon, playing Laois. The very next day, the Wexford seniors play Laois in Portlaoise.
2. On Saturday evening (the same weekend) Wexford play Dublin in senior football championship in Wexford Park. On bank holiday Monday, the U20 hurlers played Dublin in Wexford Park.
I know TV rights etc come in to it but they did not come in to it with the minor hurlers. As CiarraiMick said they need to begin a bit of a consideration of the environmental impact as well as the cost to supporters.
I caught up last night on a couple of weeks of Wexford GAA on here and all the talk is of Cork being "promised" an All-Ireland quarter final. Never mind how badly it is located for the most likely participants in that, assuming Cork and Wexford win this weekend it'll be Wexford and Clare.
Although I don't believe anything will ever trump the Sarsfields (Galway) and Slaughneil (Derry) camogie match that was played in Gorey......" Cavan had their 3 football teams out on weekend of 23 April. U20s v Tyrone in Ulster final, Seniors v Antrim in Ulster SFC, and Minors v Tyrone in Ulster MFC. All away, U20s Enniskillen Friday night, Seniors Belfast Saturday afternoon, Minors Omagh Saturday evening. Ok, so I get Antrim had a home game, all fine there, but we had 2 underage games v Tyrone and they wouldn't work at all to try sort this out. They wouldn't allow the 2 games at the same time, meaning supporters had 3 separate trips in a 22 hour period. GAA just look on and see no issues. An absolute joke to supporters
Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2391 - 08/06/2022 11:35:47
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