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GPA not looking out for player welfare , four time a week is enough for amatuer players to train/play. They should be looking for an increase in the mileage allowance ,instead of more sessions due to the increase in price of petrol/diesel. More training sessions only suit the likes of Dublin where all the players live colse together, not like Donegal, Mayo and Kerry where players could have over an hour to get to training. Make it an even playing field and have the 4 sessions/games a week strictly enforecd.

jacktheboy (Donegal) - Posts: 476 - 24/03/2022 18:33:34    2406926

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Replying To carlovia:  "Yet the Gaa are the ones who want sessions limited to four. It's the Gpa that want unlimited sessions paid for."
The GPA just want an agreement made in good faith to be honoured, its hardly rocket science. Like the previous poster I'm not pro or anti GPA but how the GAA have approached this is questionable to put it mildly.

bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 24/03/2022 21:12:57    2406940

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Replying To carlovia:  "Yet the Gaa are the ones who want sessions limited to four. It's the Gpa that want unlimited sessions paid for."
That's nonsense. They know that it isnt the players pushing for more training sessions. Some accountant lad in a suit got paid plenty to see where savings could be made in GAA Incorporated after the pandemic would be a much more likely explanation.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15669 - 24/03/2022 21:21:04    2406942

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Replying To carlovia:  "Yet the Gaa are the ones who want sessions limited to four. It's the Gpa that want unlimited sessions paid for."
Nobody is saying teams should train 5 or 6 times a week, do you think expenses should be limited to 32 players a panel which the GAA are looking to implement without negotiation or consultation?

bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 24/03/2022 21:22:05    2406943

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The problem is with the one size fits all approach. It makes no difference to Kerry or Dublin or really any of the strong counties if Croke Park is only covering expenses for 4 sessions. Those strong boards can cover the extra sessions. In lots of counties though it's a different story. Training a team for the Lory Meagher shouldn't cost the same as one going for Liam Mccarthy. The GPA has to accept that its membership at the top end are professional and at the middle to bottom are completely amateur. My sense of it is that Croke Park are reflecting what county boards are saying to them.

midfield9 (Westmeath) - Posts: 102 - 25/03/2022 09:41:57    2406961

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Replying To Claretandblue:  "Training 5/6 times a week which involves travelling, hence the hue and cry from the GPA over expenses, surely leaves virtually no time for rest. These players are either working or full time students so surely rest would be a critical part of their preparation. Professional sports people value rest as a major part of their preparations, where would a GAA player get such time?"
Your well able to give your point of view but still bizarrely seem incapable of answering the basic question below.

Do you think its right for an organisation to renege on an agreement without a consultation or renegotiation process?

bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 25/03/2022 10:41:38    2406976

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GPA have announced further protest actions for this weekend, it will be interesting to see what action they take.
I don't think the GAA will do a U turn unless the threat of strike action on playing games actually happens.
A real battle of who is in control, if Croke Park concede to GPA on the issue, then they will be seen to have lost control & have to concede to the GPA on every issue. The Ard Stiurothoir has a lot to prove over who is actually in charge.
If the GPA concede they will be seen to be a very ineffective lobby group on huge salaries, representing players & could go the same route as the CPA & be edged out by Croke Park. There are many in the GAA who want the GPA taught a lesson, so it will be interesting to see who prevails.

moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1212 - 25/03/2022 11:04:28    2406986

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Replying To jacktheboy:  "GPA not looking out for player welfare , four time a week is enough for amatuer players to train/play. They should be looking for an increase in the mileage allowance ,instead of more sessions due to the increase in price of petrol/diesel. More training sessions only suit the likes of Dublin where all the players live colse together, not like Donegal, Mayo and Kerry where players could have over an hour to get to training. Make it an even playing field and have the 4 sessions/games a week strictly enforecd."
You hit the nail.
If the GPA don't think 4 nights a week is enough then they are missing the point on player welfare, which they so often claim to be all for.

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1826 - 25/03/2022 11:16:48    2406991

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Replying To carlovia:  "Yet the Gaa are the ones who want sessions limited to four. It's the Gpa that want unlimited sessions paid for."
Have you ever heard of recovery sessions?

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6178 - 25/03/2022 16:13:50    2407077

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Replying To Claretandblue:  "Training 5/6 times a week which involves travelling, hence the hue and cry from the GPA over expenses, surely leaves virtually no time for rest. These players are either working or full time students so surely rest would be a critical part of their preparation. Professional sports people value rest as a major part of their preparations, where would a GAA player get such time?"
Judging by your posts I have no doubt you are well aware of the importance of recovery sessions. They have to be factored in over and above training sessions.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6178 - 25/03/2022 16:15:22    2407079

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Replying To StoreysTash:  "You hit the nail.
If the GPA don't think 4 nights a week is enough then they are missing the point on player welfare, which they so often claim to be all for."
Recovery sessions? Why if the GAA are so concerned about player welfare do they completely ignore the huge demands placed upon our elite young players between the ages of 16 and 20? Those demands are not placed upon them by senior inter county managers . They are placed upon them by the administrators of the various under age units in the GAA. Tom Ryan is cynically using player welfare as a means to break an agreement.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6178 - 26/03/2022 13:09:37    2407163

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Speaking of coaching and training, Mike Quirke had a very good coaching podcast last year.

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GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7969 - 26/03/2022 16:25:10    2407212

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Replying To wexico15:  "Nobody is saying teams should train 5 or 6 times a week, do you think expenses should be limited to 32 players a panel which the GAA are looking to implement without negotiation or consultation?"
Yes I believe that expenses should be limited to 32 players on a panel.

How many players do you want on expenses ?

carlovia (None) - Posts: 1536 - 26/03/2022 17:10:37    2407218

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Replying To carlovia:  "Yes I believe that expenses should be limited to 32 players on a panel.

How many players do you want on expenses ?"
So if there's 35 on a panel you think 3 of them won't deserve the same treatment as the other 32?

bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 26/03/2022 18:36:31    2407231

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Replying To wexico15:  "So if there's 35 on a panel you think 3 of them won't deserve the same treatment as the other 32?"
And if there 40 or 45 on the panel ?

I answered 32, how many do you want on expenses ?

carlovia (None) - Posts: 1536 - 26/03/2022 19:52:52    2407246

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Replying To carlovia:  "And if there 40 or 45 on the panel ?

I answered 32, how many do you want on expenses ?"
Yes everyone committed to a panel deserves the same treatment.

bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 26/03/2022 20:03:14    2407249

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I wonder was a deal done & did either party cave in, as there wasn't any visible actions taken this week by GPA. Did GAA cave in to demands ?

moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1212 - 29/03/2022 10:35:51    2407982

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