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Replying To Claretandblue:  "It's actually their, not there. I speak to many genuine GAA people on a daily basis and there's unanimity in their views on the GPA. Any organisation interested in the welfare of 2% of the Association's members is elitist and interested in money only, their concern for players' welfare was shown up by Parsons' comments on tv recently. He was lucky Joanne Cantwell cut discussion short or O' Rourke would have caused him further embarrassment."
The club player's had a representative organisation. It was called the Club Player's Association. It voluntarily ceased to function once the split season was organised. Why? Did Colm O Rourke not elaborate further as to why the Club Player's Association felt that representation of the interests of club players was no longer necessary? Did he make any reference to the CPA at all? Are you aware of Colm O Rourke's strong antipathy towards unions in general? This is a matter of record. I have read his views in relation to the GPA. His articles in relation to them lack balance.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6178 - 23/03/2022 16:05:39    2406719

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Replying To Claretandblue:  "It's actually their, not there. I speak to many genuine GAA people on a daily basis and there's unanimity in their views on the GPA. Any organisation interested in the welfare of 2% of the Association's members is elitist and interested in money only, their concern for players' welfare was shown up by Parsons' comments on tv recently. He was lucky Joanne Cantwell cut discussion short or O' Rourke would have caused him further embarrassment."
Don't dodge and weave do you think its right for an organisation to renage on an agreement without a consultation or renegotiation process? Your the 1 who resorted to lies on this topic btw and it's not a good sign if your claiming Brolly is talking sense.

bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 23/03/2022 16:07:23    2406720

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Replying To Greengrass:  "The club player's had a representative organisation. It was called the Club Player's Association. It voluntarily ceased to function once the split season was organised. Why? Did Colm O Rourke not elaborate further as to why the Club Player's Association felt that representation of the interests of club players was no longer necessary? Did he make any reference to the CPA at all? Are you aware of Colm O Rourke's strong antipathy towards unions in general? This is a matter of record. I have read his views in relation to the GPA. His articles in relation to them lack balance."
Clubs players and members are represented by their county board delegate and thus it has always been.

WunderBar (Galway) - Posts: 290 - 23/03/2022 18:02:01    2406746

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Replying To Claretandblue:  "It's actually their, not there. I speak to many genuine GAA people on a daily basis and there's unanimity in their views on the GPA. Any organisation interested in the welfare of 2% of the Association's members is elitist and interested in money only, their concern for players' welfare was shown up by Parsons' comments on tv recently. He was lucky Joanne Cantwell cut discussion short or O' Rourke would have caused him further embarrassment."
Well your penchant to issue a grammatical admonishment on a social media forum discloses a somewhat childish or maybe school-masterish (O'Rourke) leaning, embarrassing?

sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 884 - 23/03/2022 21:37:22    2406768

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Replying To wexico15:  "Don't dodge and weave do you think its right for an organisation to renage on an agreement without a consultation or renegotiation process? Your the 1 who resorted to lies on this topic btw and it's not a good sign if your claiming Brolly is talking sense."
Damn it, you spelled renege wrong, Clareandblue will get ye there, lol. Strange I think that he says his GAA contacts unanimously agree with him on this issue, maybe he needs to move out of his fanzone. Plenty of differing views on the issue here.

sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 884 - 24/03/2022 07:56:39    2406773

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Its funny. GAA posters have this habit of attacking the individual rather than debating the topic. Brolly/O'Rourke etc

On the issue, I think the players mileage rate should be the same as the DG's. I also believe it is correct the GAA should put limits on the amount of sessions the reimburse. Is 4 sessions the correct number? Not sure about that. Probably should be more to cover recovery sessions etc but some max needs to be there.

We also have to acknowledge the car pooling that goes on yet everyone claims expenses. This is widespread.

Also, mileage is to cover costs of motoring not just diesel. So should players with sponsored cars be getting less as their costs are less? They have no depreciation or maintenance, just diesel.

I presume there is an expenses system for full time staff? And like most orgs they would be subject to checks. Same rules should apply to all

Mayonman (Galway) - Posts: 1920 - 24/03/2022 09:33:22    2406779

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Replying To WunderBar:  "Clubs players and members are represented by their county board delegate and thus it has always been."
The CPA represented the interests of club players. It voluntarily ceased to exist once the split season came into being. As you said delegates will hopefully continue to represent the interests of club players and members.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6178 - 24/03/2022 10:20:36    2406787

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Replying To Mayonman:  "Its funny. GAA posters have this habit of attacking the individual rather than debating the topic. Brolly/O'Rourke etc

On the issue, I think the players mileage rate should be the same as the DG's. I also believe it is correct the GAA should put limits on the amount of sessions the reimburse. Is 4 sessions the correct number? Not sure about that. Probably should be more to cover recovery sessions etc but some max needs to be there.

We also have to acknowledge the car pooling that goes on yet everyone claims expenses. This is widespread.

Also, mileage is to cover costs of motoring not just diesel. So should players with sponsored cars be getting less as their costs are less? They have no depreciation or maintenance, just diesel.

I presume there is an expenses system for full time staff? And like most orgs they would be subject to checks. Same rules should apply to all"
Sure everyone is entitled to their opinion regarding player expenses, Parsons, O'Rourke, Ryan included. My own opinion is that the players should receive expenses as agreed, others differ, fair enough. However the GPA was officially recognised as the voice of intercounty players in 2010 and this was formally adopted into GAA rule at Congress 2010(only 2 delegates spoke against). In 2016 mileage expenses were agreed at 62.5 to 65 cent/mile(max of €1.2m/year). No mention of numbers of sessions. This agreement has not been renegotiated since bar being put in abeyance during covid restrictions. If the GAA wish to curtail the number of collective sessions let them do it in the correct way, through their own county boards, not by walking away, without negotiation, from what they agreed themselves.
As regards abuse of the expenses system by players it is up to the paymaster,the GAA, to police this or not.

sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 884 - 24/03/2022 11:02:13    2406796

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Replying To sligo joe:  "Sure everyone is entitled to their opinion regarding player expenses, Parsons, O'Rourke, Ryan included. My own opinion is that the players should receive expenses as agreed, others differ, fair enough. However the GPA was officially recognised as the voice of intercounty players in 2010 and this was formally adopted into GAA rule at Congress 2010(only 2 delegates spoke against). In 2016 mileage expenses were agreed at 62.5 to 65 cent/mile(max of €1.2m/year). No mention of numbers of sessions. This agreement has not been renegotiated since bar being put in abeyance during covid restrictions. If the GAA wish to curtail the number of collective sessions let them do it in the correct way, through their own county boards, not by walking away, without negotiation, from what they agreed themselves.
As regards abuse of the expenses system by players it is up to the paymaster,the GAA, to police this or not."
Well said. Using player burnout as an excuse to redraw a negotiated agreement is cynical to say the least. Player burnout is not taken seriously by the leadership of the GAA.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6178 - 24/03/2022 11:30:52    2406806

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Replying To sligo joe:  "Sure everyone is entitled to their opinion regarding player expenses, Parsons, O'Rourke, Ryan included. My own opinion is that the players should receive expenses as agreed, others differ, fair enough. However the GPA was officially recognised as the voice of intercounty players in 2010 and this was formally adopted into GAA rule at Congress 2010(only 2 delegates spoke against). In 2016 mileage expenses were agreed at 62.5 to 65 cent/mile(max of €1.2m/year). No mention of numbers of sessions. This agreement has not been renegotiated since bar being put in abeyance during covid restrictions. If the GAA wish to curtail the number of collective sessions let them do it in the correct way, through their own county boards, not by walking away, without negotiation, from what they agreed themselves.
As regards abuse of the expenses system by players it is up to the paymaster,the GAA, to police this or not."
Surely the 'voice of the intercounty players' should be willing to police the abuse of the expenses given they already act as the de facto pocket of the inter county player.

WunderBar (Galway) - Posts: 290 - 24/03/2022 11:44:28    2406811

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Replying To WunderBar:  "Surely the 'voice of the intercounty players' should be willing to police the abuse of the expenses given they already act as the de facto pocket of the inter county player."
Eh they don't.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6178 - 24/03/2022 13:45:12    2406847

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Replying To WunderBar:  "Surely the 'voice of the intercounty players' should be willing to police the abuse of the expenses given they already act as the de facto pocket of the inter county player."
What? That would be the same as the civil service unions regulating civil servants expenses? Bizarre.

sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 884 - 24/03/2022 14:05:56    2406850

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The group shown to have zero interest in player burnout in recent weeks has been the GPA. Parsons showed that on tv, wanting expenses for training a fifth or sixth time weekly is a joke. Four times a week is loads, professional teams hardly train much more.

Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 2139 - 24/03/2022 15:13:21    2406865

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Replying To Claretandblue:  "The group shown to have zero interest in player burnout in recent weeks has been the GPA. Parsons showed that on tv, wanting expenses for training a fifth or sixth time weekly is a joke. Four times a week is loads, professional teams hardly train much more."
No he just wants the GAA to keep to their word and not renegotiate a pre agreement without actually taking part in negotiations, big difference to what yor claiming.

bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 24/03/2022 16:02:55    2406884

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Replying To wexico15:  "Don't dodge and weave do you think its right for an organisation to renage on an agreement without a consultation or renegotiation process? Your the 1 who resorted to lies on this topic btw and it's not a good sign if your claiming Brolly is talking sense."
Still no reply from the Westmeath poster....

bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 24/03/2022 16:03:48    2406886

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Replying To Claretandblue:  "The group shown to have zero interest in player burnout in recent weeks has been the GPA. Parsons showed that on tv, wanting expenses for training a fifth or sixth time weekly is a joke. Four times a week is loads, professional teams hardly train much more."
Professional teams might train 8 or 10 times a week between cardio, gym, and skills. In rugby or soccer.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15669 - 24/03/2022 16:34:42    2406903

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Replying To Claretandblue:  "The group shown to have zero interest in player burnout in recent weeks has been the GPA. Parsons showed that on tv, wanting expenses for training a fifth or sixth time weekly is a joke. Four times a week is loads, professional teams hardly train much more."
"Four times a week is loads, professional teams hardly train much more" . What kind of professional sports would they be? Not very elite sports I think.
Sure what would an intercounty player the likes of Tom Parsons know about training 5 or 6 times a week or player burnout? The GAA should be paying more heed to keyboard experts like ourselves here on Hoganstand before deciding how to allocate the astronomical sums of money to amateur sports men and women who fill stadiums for our amusement. I'm not sticking up for the GPA here, I still don't know what their purpose is if any. But there can't be many sporting organisation's, if any, who generate so much money, not just intercounty attendances, but from local spend on clubs, gear, transport, food, social events, a long list more and they're whinging about an extra few euro for the stars of the games in each county. It's pathetic.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7969 - 24/03/2022 16:47:11    2406906

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Replying To Greengrass:  "Well said. Using player burnout as an excuse to redraw a negotiated agreement is cynical to say the least. Player burnout is not taken seriously by the leadership of the GAA."
Yet the Gaa are the ones who want sessions limited to four. It's the Gpa that want unlimited sessions paid for.

carlovia (None) - Posts: 1536 - 24/03/2022 17:08:53    2406911

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Training 5/6 times a week which involves travelling, hence the hue and cry from the GPA over expenses, surely leaves virtually no time for rest. These players are either working or full time students so surely rest would be a critical part of their preparation. Professional sports people value rest as a major part of their preparations, where would a GAA player get such time?

Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 2139 - 24/03/2022 18:08:24    2406922

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Replying To carlovia:  "Yet the Gaa are the ones who want sessions limited to four. It's the Gpa that want unlimited sessions paid for."
Wrong, the GAA want to limit mileage expenses to four sessions per week but they haven't the "cajones" to instruct their own units, the county boards, to insist that county team managers observe a limit of four sessions per week.

sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 884 - 24/03/2022 18:10:36    2406923

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