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I do think it's a case though of you have to play what's in front of you. Multiple times this league, we see opposition teams crowd back all their players into the 45 (Tipp did it lots of times Saturday) and you can't just play a quick ball into the forwards with that. Yes, absolutely, we need to be faster ourselves, and not go with the lateral and backwards passing, but it's kind of self fulfilling. When a team sets up like that and counter attacks, that system won't work. Mayo don't sit back like that, we didn't see that type of crowding back yesterday, where both games had teams pressing forward, and that allows for an open game. My hope is that as we play better teams, that space opens up as they come at us too. That will leave space for the forwards and I'd trust our lads to be able to win ball. And despite this, we were fit to do it an handful of times Saturday. We got the goals from playing quick ball in. We also had other chances but scuffed them (the Madden shot late on that was blocked down - he had men overlapping to his right but chose the wrong option of a shot at that time). I think we're close, we do a lot right going up the field apart from the final decision. It's all about the top 2 inches as they say. I really think we're not far off it coming together though, when we play different teams with different setups we might see this. Again, I'm hoping anyway... Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2383 - 04/04/2022 13:53:07 2409524 Link 1 |
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I understand where your coming from but an Inter county player should be able to take a score or at least put the ball dead from inside the 45. It's the overplaying of the lateral that can lead to things breaking down and getting turned over.Roscommon and Galway did that regularly . Conroy the Galway Midfielder scored for fun inside the 45. We only attacked and pressed Tipp when we were behind. This lateral and backward sh@@e is embedded in our team for years. We have options of players to win ball if it's kicked into them. Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 510 - 04/04/2022 15:08:57 2409555 Link 1 |
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Teams crowd back as they have all the time in the world to do because we spend such an age to go forward. We won't let the ball in, we won't shoot from range, and nor will we risk taking a man on by running at teams. If you never risk doing 1 of the above you just get constantly bogged down on your own 45, where good teams will eventually turn you over. Agree on post on long range kicking, some belters from all 4 teams yesterday and tipp the day before. An actual skill rather that a possession stat being coached into players. Was refreshing to see instinct of all four teams yesterday was overwhelmingly to look to move the ball forwards. Gave me hope for Gaelic football. The more teams win in this mode the more the stragglers will have to adapt. Calving4Sam (Cavan) - Posts: 69 - 04/04/2022 15:55:59 2409574 Link 0 |
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Oh I'm not disagreeing with you, we go so lateral, but seems to me at least to be some sort of game plan they have. You'll probably find they play a percentages game. No point just taking pot shots all day either, they're generally low percentage shots. Has to be somewhere between the two I think. We always try to work it to the D, and lets be honest, this has worked so far this year, even if some games have been too tight for our liking. If teams are crowding so much inside the 45, it really is hard to get a shot away without working a move to make space somehow. We try this and get turned over or blocked down as space there is so tight with all their men back. My hope as I said before, is that when we play team when we're not absolute favourites, is that they don't just sit back, crowd the 45 and counter. As we really seem unable to break these teams down. I think in Ulster where we may not be favourites, and teams come at us, that's where we can do some damage.
Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2383 - 04/04/2022 15:58:57 2409575 Link 0 |
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At least Tipperary as bad as they were kept Sweeny up all the time and sometimes 2…. On multiple occasions we hadn't one player outside our defensive 45…. it was woeful to watch… they would win the ball back and had nobody upfield to kick it to hence all the lateral and backwards passing until a couple of lads tried to make their way forward… after what seemed an eternity to move the ball up field it was lost or broke down so all had to gallop back to defend….You could sleep through half the game and miss nothing….. terrible stuff.. I feel for the players ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 1926 - 04/04/2022 16:20:30 2409584 Link 0 |
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Well thank god its all over now anyway. You have to feel sorry for teams stuck down in division 4. It would suck the life out of even the most enthusiastic gaa fan doing that year in year out. Its time to combine division 3 and 4 as it used to be, and freshen it up. 97Cavans (Cavan) - Posts: 320 - 04/04/2022 16:47:23 2409600 Link 0 |
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Yep, fully agree. Delighted to be out of there, it was a lose-lose division no matter what you do. Division 3 looking tight for next year, but no reason we can't get through it too. I put up a post before about how they should restructure the Divisions to 1a and 1b, and 2a and 2b as it then mirrors the tiered Championship and doesn't widen gaps between teams as much. An idea anyway... Huge game indeed. Pity about the crowd alright, but think season ticket holders are guaranteed in, and maybe our supporters will pick up as many tickets as they can elsewhere. Hope we do bring a performance and get by Antrim, but won't be easy at their ground. Hard to know with Donegal or Armagh. Donegal look to me to be on a downward trend and I think they can be caught on any given day. Armagh look to be on the up, but they'll now be missing a bunch of players for their quarter. Rian O'Neill has now been hit with a ban for his involvement in the melee. Neither team will think we'd be a handy game if we get by Antrim. We've beaten both in Championship in recent past, and as we'd be underdogs, we'd be fit to get at them and counter punch them. I think that suits our game plan better. Let them flake away at each other in the quarters and we'll see what happens after that Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2383 - 05/04/2022 09:44:49 2409672 Link 0 |
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Does anybody know if the Antrim is televised anywhere? Presumably RTE won't be in a rush to show that 1, but maybe BBC2 NI? Calving4Sam (Cavan) - Posts: 69 - 05/04/2022 10:00:27 2409675 Link 0 |
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Yes, BBC NI are showing it. That was one of the issues raised about Corrigan Park, the tv setup isn't great for a live game, but it'll be done anyway. And it needs to be, a lot of supporters for this will miss out.
Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2383 - 05/04/2022 10:16:19 2409689 Link 1 |
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Antrim have a decent record in Div 3 especially at home. The only teams they lost to was Louth and Limerick who both got promotion and Westmeath who finished above them so I wouldn't be getting carried away about worrying about Donegal or Armagh just yet. Div 3 final was a higher standard than Div 4 final. It's a very tricky assignment up in Corrigan Park. 50/50 I'd say on our recent 70minutes performances. Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 510 - 05/04/2022 10:39:19 2409695 Link 0 |
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Nah, we're favourites and rightly so. Bookies has us 4/9 and them 9/4. That's about right on all measures. They've been decent in league, but that's League. And they've been turned over up there as you say. We've better players overall, and while I expect a slog, we're favourites here and should win. Lets not let league only cloud our judgement here, we're a better side overall and Championship is different level
Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2383 - 05/04/2022 10:43:13 2409697 Link 0 |
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Is Oisin brady injured or how did he fall out of favour, I thought he was showing good promise. blueman1903 (Cavan) - Posts: 882 - 05/04/2022 11:07:19 2409701 Link 0 |
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We were 2/5 last Sunday and won by the width of a crossbar . Galway were 1/2 and beaten . I wouldn't be backing us at 4/9 that's for sure . Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 510 - 05/04/2022 11:11:30 2409705 Link 0 |
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The bookies are rarely wrong. But any bookie that has Galway 1/2 against any half decent opposition is very very wrong. cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5012 - 05/04/2022 11:31:30 2409715 Link 0 |
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We still won though. And Galway at that price was wrong, especially against a team that beat them the week before. They're rarely wrong as I said, but it does happen. But the price is right for Antrim v Cavan, if we're being very honest. Antrim rarely win in Ulster, and our recent record is good. We're judged as a better team than them in the betting for this game, and for Ulster overall. Which is about right
Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2383 - 05/04/2022 11:44:02 2409719 Link 0 |
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Heard he was injured. there was some word that he had left, but Graham said in an interview on the podcast a few weeks ago that he's still around, just making his way back. Think with Conor Brady back, we're close to getting a full squad back soon. Conor Smith, Marty, and Ciaran Holla all close too. Oisin Kiernan might be the only one who might be unavailable as of what we know now
Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2383 - 05/04/2022 11:46:44 2409720 Link 0 |
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That's good, it would be a pity if he left, he has great potential.
blueman1903 (Cavan) - Posts: 882 - 05/04/2022 12:30:33 2409737 Link 0 |
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Galway were that price because they put out all their back up players the week before against a full strength Roscommon…. Did themselves or Derry no favours with that so I was glad Roscommon turned them over in the Final…
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 1926 - 05/04/2022 13:00:35 2409739 Link 0 |
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Yeah that's fair, but was no surprise as they had nothing really to play for with promotion sealed after 6 games. Did do Derry over like you say, but Derry could have had it in their own hands before that. they'll learn though. Nearly did work too, they looked to me more likely to win before that Roscommon goal. They came from a big margin down, and Roscommon didn't seem to have much answer to it, but the goal gave them the impetus again. Great game all round though, wonder how it'll go if they meet in Connacht championship though
Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2383 - 05/04/2022 13:59:47 2409760 Link 0 |
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A couple of days away from the big game and so quiet here. RHF (Cavan) - Posts: 848 - 19/04/2022 11:43:43 2411524 Link 0 |