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Replying To totalrecall:  "I see corduff are now training in leister to circumvent ulster bans..."
He has every trick to bend the law

Edd,South(EU) (Monaghan) - Posts: 11 - 26/09/2023 16:25:34    2505869

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Replying To MuineachanAbu:  "For me it is absolutely fact that South Monaghan has been overlooked. The stats are there in black and white.

I think at Senior Level for our County Team to be successful, you need more options across the county and not just a mass of players from Scotstown/Clontibret/Latton.

Anyway as we roll into the latter stages of the championship, my final pairings are Inniskeen v Scotstown. The battle of North v South and I have no doubt Inniskeen will bring a mass of support. They have shown great strides with a relatively young squad. It also seems this year that they are winning at every code and level including underage which is a telling sign of short and long term intent.

With the big pitch in Clones, Scotstown are hitting their stride and more than likely will breeze past them with bigger sights on Ulster. This is really where they should be focusing considering the adoption of Jack McCarron."
Overlooked/Not good enough or not willing to give it what it takes?

monaghanmad (Monaghan) - Posts: 357 - 26/09/2023 16:25:58    2505870

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Replying To Jjoniel79:  "Read what I said again and you'll see I'm referring to the current state of the club setup and its future impact on the county team.

The Hughes brothers are incredible, in my opinion Darren is the county's greatest ever player - just ahead of manzy. And you're right that scotstown have plenty of depth - but both of these lads are well into their 30's and still no one has come along to unseat them from being the backbone of the club or county team. Scotstown haven't produced a player with their size and ability in the what, 15 years since Darren came through - despite their player pool of "100 players". Scotstown are a far less formidable outfit without them and if Kieran was fit, they'd have won that final.

Regardless of scotstowns future I'm more worried by the county team and what is available out there to replace them across the county - especially when looking at the division 1 competition, which like it or not features the teams with the biggest quantity of good footballers. Ballybay, Clontibret, Latton are all still relying heavily on the old dogs - where's the youth? Look at what's happened magheracloone since the Freemans retired, or blayney since Strimmer buttsy and Hanratty left the county team.

Woods and Kearns walked away last year so you've only really got Mohan as a serviceable replacement for the physicality and skill the Hughes boys bring.

As for mulligan, again I'm referring to county level players. Duffy was a county standout player, mulligan hasn't made a dent at that level. And any time I've seen latton in knockout football, it's still all on Duffy - mulligan hasn't done it yet. We'll see how he gets on this weekend…"
You're not making any sort of revolutionary claim here. The dogs in the street can see that it's going to be a long time before Monaghan can replace the golden age of McManus, Darren Hughes etc.. These guys come along once in a generation.
By the way, what's your reasoning for Darren Hughes being the greatest Monaghan player of all time ahead of McManus? Mansy will be remembered as one of the greats to ever play the game, Darren was a super player for us, but not in the same stratosphere as McManus in this debate. Without McManus we'd have have been a bang average Division 2 side with no Ulster medals for the last 10 years.
As for Latton still relying on the old guard… have you been at any Latton games this year? I think they've 3 lads over the age of 30 starting for them. Aaron Mulligan, Shane Slevin and Thomas McPhillips have all been in the county senior setup in the last 18 months and are all u23. Along with this they've had 4 (possibly more) other lads on u20 teams in the last few years. Just because they're fielding Kieran and Owen Duffy you're writing them off as too reliant on the old guard, when in reality, they're anything but. Fancy them to beat Clontibret this weekend.

HB245 (Monaghan) - Posts: 164 - 26/09/2023 21:07:19    2505905

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Replying To HB245:  "You're not making any sort of revolutionary claim here. The dogs in the street can see that it's going to be a long time before Monaghan can replace the golden age of McManus, Darren Hughes etc.. These guys come along once in a generation.
By the way, what's your reasoning for Darren Hughes being the greatest Monaghan player of all time ahead of McManus? Mansy will be remembered as one of the greats to ever play the game, Darren was a super player for us, but not in the same stratosphere as McManus in this debate. Without McManus we'd have have been a bang average Division 2 side with no Ulster medals for the last 10 years.
As for Latton still relying on the old guard… have you been at any Latton games this year? I think they've 3 lads over the age of 30 starting for them. Aaron Mulligan, Shane Slevin and Thomas McPhillips have all been in the county senior setup in the last 18 months and are all u23. Along with this they've had 4 (possibly more) other lads on u20 teams in the last few years. Just because they're fielding Kieran and Owen Duffy you're writing them off as too reliant on the old guard, when in reality, they're anything but. Fancy them to beat Clontibret this weekend."
Totally agree with you here. McManus will be in the history books for a lifetime for what he has done year in and year out for Monaghan football.
2 Ulster Medals, 3 all stars, several Ulster all stars, 4 International rules series winning man of the match in one also, Div2 and Div 3 National Leagues, 6 Senior Championships, 3 Senior leagues, And many man of the match performances throughout this career.

Yes there has been many other greats on these teams such as Hughes x2, Walshe, Wylies, Jap, Freeman but McManus is head and shoulders above them all IMO.

Regarding Latton, I also agree. Them young lads you have mentioned are brilliant players along with 3/4 others who have not played county. They have been very successful this last number of years in reserve leagues and championships so I don't think they are too reliant on the old dogs. They aren't as far away as some may think and will be confident taking on Clontibret at the weekend. Clontibret will take nothing for granted here.

countymonaghan (Monaghan) - Posts: 247 - 27/09/2023 10:12:29    2505951

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