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Game was over after 5 minutes, giving Kildare that head start was criminal. What genius decided to leave McCarthy to get destroyed at half back?

We're bottom of the division, worst points difference, and lucky to have got a point against Armagh (penalty over the line) and Tyrone (late non-foul on Rory). Where we deserve to be in truth.

Banty can spin the 'tooth and nail' bull all he wants, but we were completely outclassed again today, this time by a Kildare team who are also fighting relegation. Conceding 24 points, that used to be what we might concede across 2 games.

On that performance, next weekend could be an embarrassment against the dubs.

moodoo (Monaghan) - Posts: 465 - 20/03/2022 19:32:14    2405998

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The depressing thing is the Dublin game will be our all ireland final this year. Assuming we win it'll just about trump the mckenna cup success. Hoping for a big turnout tho and has potential to be a great spectacle

I rate kildare a lot more now than I did at the start of the league but banty has gone down in my estimation. We're in division 1 on merit but it seems there was nothing done at half time during this game or the kerry game to turn our fortunes

MalsBalls (Monaghan) - Posts: 236 - 20/03/2022 20:03:58    2406012

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Is Niall Kearns injured or do they just not fancy him? When he debuted in 2018 he played every game and got better and better. Now he gets a half at most. It's also not clear to me who is playing where and why.

They way these things tend to go, Division 2 might only be a temporary stopping point for this team because I would worry about divison 3 being next unless there are some changes on the sideline. In Division 2 the teams there will all be like Kildare, hot and cold, big score one week, poor the next. As things are I wouldn't be too confident of beating Meath, Roscommon, Galway, Derry, Cork, Offally in the current division 2.

This is the third year for this management and this is where we are at. I wonder have the players lost confidence in the sideline and I'd be worried we'd go out to a terrible Down team in the championship and it'll have been 3 wasted years. I don't think any other division 1 team would stand for it.

PolicemanFox (Monaghan) - Posts: 200 - 20/03/2022 20:37:06    2406032

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Pure shambles, the players didn't perform but by god team selection never gave the players a chance. I felt sorry for McCarthy stuck centre half back being turned inside, when put in the forward line he proved yet again to be Monaghan's best goal scorer. Dessie Ward playing all league centre half back then move him to the forty for the most important game of the campaign. At one stage of the first half Conor Boyle seemed to be playing in the half forwards and Kieran Hughes was full back.
Then at half time they bring on Drew Wylie who was thrown aside since Malachy left to be destroyed at full.

This experiment of Colin Walshe has got to stop, great servant over the years but he is not a forward.

I watched the warm up today, you had Corey and McCague together, Sheedy and Buckley together, and the Banty wandering around engaging with match officials
It seemed like the two big names have nothing to do with the set up at all, just looks completely disjointed and nobody communicating.

Then we had the manager spinning away on the radio saying if we had a chance to survive going in the last game he would be happy.

Look they could get a result against Dublin, but unlikely.
Championship will tell the tale, if we don't win ulster, Monaghan county board will have to grow a pair and put this failed experiment to bed.

shaggylegend (Monaghan) - Posts: 1948 - 20/03/2022 21:11:55    2406047

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This is a Kildare team going places for sure, Ryan, Rainbow, Doyle and Earley on the sideline a quartet of County legends is some influence on this young team. Seven of the recent U20 All winning team took part today. Persistence or the lack of it will determine how far they go.

In 2018 we reached the All Ireland semi final and for all the good underage teams of that period and since, 15 players that took the field that day also played some part today, Corry and Malone retired, Mc Carron was injured. We are still dependent on that team for some reason, the bones of that team will retire en masses, then what???
Kildare are on a different projectory than us and good luck to them.

The case was argued back then that we needed a fresh start, new faces on the sideline, a more attacking style and the introduction of new faces on the squad. Today when we needed fresh impetus we brought on Wylie, Walshe and Kearns, who for me had to start today.
Me thinks we were sold a pup.

We are averaging 13 points a game, which won't be enough to beat Dublin, we will need a couple of goals and a fair bit of luck to prevail. It's doable but unlikely, here's hoping

mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 1076 - 20/03/2022 21:35:17    2406058

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Replying To PolicemanFox:  "Is Niall Kearns injured or do they just not fancy him? When he debuted in 2018 he played every game and got better and better. Now he gets a half at most. It's also not clear to me who is playing where and why.

They way these things tend to go, Division 2 might only be a temporary stopping point for this team because I would worry about divison 3 being next unless there are some changes on the sideline. In Division 2 the teams there will all be like Kildare, hot and cold, big score one week, poor the next. As things are I wouldn't be too confident of beating Meath, Roscommon, Galway, Derry, Cork, Offally in the current division 2.

This is the third year for this management and this is where we are at. I wonder have the players lost confidence in the sideline and I'd be worried we'd go out to a terrible Down team in the championship and it'll have been 3 wasted years. I don't think any other division 1 team would stand for it."
A TERRIBLE DOWN TEAM , that quote will be mentioned at every Down training from now to the C ship, it will be on the wall in the Clones changing room, NO team talk needed

germac (Down) - Posts: 572 - 20/03/2022 21:57:55    2406065

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Replying To germac:  "A TERRIBLE DOWN TEAM , that quote will be mentioned at every Down training from now to the C ship, it will be on the wall in the Clones changing room, NO team talk needed"
What an inspirational move that would be to fire up the Down lads.
"Boys, I want you to once again think about that quote, some fella on the internet said we are terrible".

Niall85 (Monaghan) - Posts: 13 - 21/03/2022 07:16:56    2406070

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Replying To germac:  "A TERRIBLE DOWN TEAM , that quote will be mentioned at every Down training from now to the C ship, it will be on the wall in the Clones changing room, NO team talk needed"
Relegated from Div 2 with one game to go. 1 point out of 6 games. Newsflash lad, Down are terrible.

FootblockREF (Monaghan) - Posts: 569 - 21/03/2022 09:38:36    2406090

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Replying To Niall85:  "What an inspirational move that would be to fire up the Down lads.
"Boys, I want you to once again think about that quote, some fella on the internet said we are terrible"."
Fermanagh, Derry and Tyrone posters be careful what you say on here or Down will come and get yez after us, careful now

mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 1076 - 21/03/2022 09:48:27    2406093

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Unfortunately, the Kerry performance wasn't the flash in the pan that Banty thought. The pan was flashing again yesterday. We were second best all over the field. We were lucky to only be 5 behind at the break but I did think it wasn't gone at that stage due to the breeze. It was over 10 mins after half time though. The goal gave a glimmer as there was plenty of time left, but Kildare responded to put the game to bed long before the final whistle.

Tim_NicebutDim (Monaghan) - Posts: 347 - 21/03/2022 15:28:01    2406248

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Kildare where very good yesterday all over the place we couldn't get near them big strong fast lads dat can kick a score which we dont hav a big performance needed sunday but i think are D1 status is gone for a while. 5 or 6 big men will walk away this year which leaves a big hole in the dressing room for the young lads coming through but anyways support this monaghan up and down this fair land and wat ever division they are in up the farney

Lad79 (Monaghan) - Posts: 58 - 21/03/2022 15:43:26    2406261

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Replying To FootblockREF:  "Relegated from Div 2 with one game to go. 1 point out of 6 games. Newsflash lad, Down are terrible."
look ,we know exactly were we are at, the problem is some teams think their up with the big boys , and in reality are miles away, know what a mean big lad

germac (Down) - Posts: 572 - 21/03/2022 20:31:32    2406333

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Replying To FootblockREF:  "Relegated from Div 2 with one game to go. 1 point out of 6 games. Newsflash lad, Down are terrible."
Yet they dumped us out in 2017- and fermanagh in 2018-dont count your chickens before they hatch. Championship is championship.

If dublin dont relegate monaghan next week, I couldn't stomach another killarney 2010 or Galway 2021. Banty taking the plaudits, papering over cracks. This team needs a big rejig like armagh, like kildare have done. Division 2 won't be the worse place in the world to start that, but a new man at the helm is needed and more players needed to be blooded, I'm amazed more of last years u19 team aren't being used.

Colin Walsh won an all star in defence, why not try him there? Can anyone please explain why this isn't happening?

It's still not out of reach that thus team could put together a run in the championship - but a mass is exodus of players you would think is coming next winter. Monaghan football at senior level is entering a rebuild stage.

222 (UK) - Posts: 873 - 21/03/2022 22:00:18    2406349

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I feel sorry for our team. The day Banty was taken back was not a good day so what do people expect? Some of the positional switches on Sunday were highly questionable.
Why was Conor Mc Carthy not in the forward lineup?
This set up is going nowhere. Maybe it's better we drop so we get a new fresh management set up. It's badly needed.

border Gael (Monaghan) - Posts: 921 - 22/03/2022 08:58:38    2406353

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Replying To border Gael:  "I feel sorry for our team. The day Banty was taken back was not a good day so what do people expect? Some of the positional switches on Sunday were highly questionable.
Why was Conor Mc Carthy not in the forward lineup?
This set up is going nowhere. Maybe it's better we drop so we get a new fresh management set up. It's badly needed."
Totally agree clear the decks and go again fresh bodies and fresh opposition in div 2 in a way getting fed up with div 1 every match is a battle and if your at 85 per cent u get hammered ie kildare and kerry the team is going to lose 6 to 7 players one way or another so get the young lads in now it was done before in 2011 and worked out the best afterwards so why not muineachain abu

prideof85 (Monaghan) - Posts: 851 - 22/03/2022 10:03:11    2406376

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I actually thought the experiment of McCarthy at wing back worked ok prior to Sunday. It gave him more space and freedom. But in previous games he did not need to defend that much. Donegal never got him turned and in that game he was an out and out attacking wing back. Kildare exposed the issue with this though. When a half forward gets a run on him then it shows that he isn't and never will be a defender. He showed in the second half that he still has that instinct for a goal when he is nearer the posts. So experiment should be over as the dubs will run at him if he is in the half back line on Sunday.

Tim_NicebutDim (Monaghan) - Posts: 347 - 22/03/2022 10:11:16    2406380

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Replying To 222:  "Yet they dumped us out in 2017- and fermanagh in 2018-dont count your chickens before they hatch. Championship is championship.

If dublin dont relegate monaghan next week, I couldn't stomach another killarney 2010 or Galway 2021. Banty taking the plaudits, papering over cracks. This team needs a big rejig like armagh, like kildare have done. Division 2 won't be the worse place in the world to start that, but a new man at the helm is needed and more players needed to be blooded, I'm amazed more of last years u19 team aren't being used.

Colin Walsh won an all star in defence, why not try him there? Can anyone please explain why this isn't happening?

It's still not out of reach that thus team could put together a run in the championship - but a mass is exodus of players you would think is coming next winter. Monaghan football at senior level is entering a rebuild stage."
The set up is v strange. You have Corey and McCague both monaghan football men then buckley and sheedy the Hollywood signings who seem to add very little and over it all you have Banty who really is just a soundbite manager at this stage playing the media game. The team has defenders playing in the forwards and forwards playing as defenders with players like kearns who should be in his prime and Mulligan who should be part of the future just being used off the bench. I agree with your post monaghan could pull it off Sunday and go on a run over the summer but it all has the feel of a ramshackle set up which isn't going to win anything major. Banty will string it out to the last and ask for an extension to rebuild next year in div 2 and he will probably get it as county board seem to be in thrall to him. Depressing times which may end up in div 3 and a new manager coming in then for the rebuild.

seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1909 - 22/03/2022 10:15:11    2406383

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Replying To germac:  "look ,we know exactly were we are at, the problem is some teams think their up with the big boys , and in reality are miles away, know what a mean big lad"
100% agree with this. Its been monaghans downfall in recent times unlike a tyrone or donegal assuming we just have to turn up and teams like down and fermanagh will just roll over for us as we might be higher up the rankings than them. Championship football is definitely not like that. Respect your opposition no matter who they are.

seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1909 - 22/03/2022 10:19:52    2406386

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Given the fact that we've drawn the worst team in ulster in down and will easily beat them that will paper over some cracks.. however given the toxic atmosphere towards the current set up we need change regardless of what happens.. we are regressing at a rate of nots and god knows where we will end up under Banty…

mick2007 (Monaghan) - Posts: 581 - 22/03/2022 13:44:41    2406473

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Replying To seanie08:  "The set up is v strange. You have Corey and McCague both monaghan football men then buckley and sheedy the Hollywood signings who seem to add very little and over it all you have Banty who really is just a soundbite manager at this stage playing the media game. The team has defenders playing in the forwards and forwards playing as defenders with players like kearns who should be in his prime and Mulligan who should be part of the future just being used off the bench. I agree with your post monaghan could pull it off Sunday and go on a run over the summer but it all has the feel of a ramshackle set up which isn't going to win anything major. Banty will string it out to the last and ask for an extension to rebuild next year in div 2 and he will probably get it as county board seem to be in thrall to him. Depressing times which may end up in div 3 and a new manager coming in then for the rebuild."
Let's not forget the supposed "expert" strength & conditioning coach in the set up. This guy was with Tyrone for a year and ran outta the place, but the high profile suited Bantys agenda of style over substance.

What we are left with now is a flat, leggy team struggling with the demands of senior inter county football. When have we ever said a Monaghan teams looks unfit until this year?

Reports I'm hearing out of the camp is players and certain coaches are at logger heads over training volume and player load, this along with the performances on & off the pitch represents a failed set up.

I had hoped it wouldn't take a relegation for our Co. Board to realise money isn't everything but now Ill just be happy to see the back of this set up regardless of the short term cost of losing Div 1 status.

Blueblood4life (Monaghan) - Posts: 200 - 22/03/2022 14:35:21    2406499

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