Congratulations to Conor McManus on a magnificent career. One of the best forwards to play the game
97Cavans (Cavan) - Posts: 360 - 22/06/2024 21:51:00
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Headed over wasn't a huge monaghan crowd there which was a pity as thought the team restored some pride especially in first 50 minutes. The knockout football suited them. We were well in it playing the favourites away. The first half was almost perfect bar some terrible ref decisions and a missed chance of setting up.a goal. We're unlucky to go in behind. Galway really upped it in second half and dominated us all over middle 8. We had no inside threat and lived off scraps. Jones Mooney have to start next year to build that threat. Need the confidence a run of games bring. Agree with earlier poster we seemed to run out of bodies to combat a bigger more physical Galway side. Comer was Comer when he came on and lifted Galway. We rallied as best we could and kept going heads didn't drop and thought the three minutes at the end was a joke. But no complaints the best side won. Think we are a side in huge transition and staying in Sam Maguire will be the aim over the next few years as younger lads will gain a lot from today's experience and time spent in sam maguire. The real disaster would be to drop to tailtenn cup where I don't see any benefit for a county like monaghan playing div 4 sides. McBennett Irwin mcPhilips really showed their worth last few weeks and will be mainstays of the side in years to come. If they can hold their own as I think they will in div 2 with likes of mooney mcnulty Jones future is bright. Vinny right about one thing lads walking away from year to year builds nothing.
seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1839 - 22/06/2024 22:02:07
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Replying To seanie08: "Headed over wasn't a huge monaghan crowd there which was a pity as thought the team restored some pride especially in first 50 minutes. The knockout football suited them. We were well in it playing the favourites away. The first half was almost perfect bar some terrible ref decisions and a missed chance of setting up.a goal. We're unlucky to go in behind. Galway really upped it in second half and dominated us all over middle 8. We had no inside threat and lived off scraps. Jones Mooney have to start next year to build that threat. Need the confidence a run of games bring. Agree with earlier poster we seemed to run out of bodies to combat a bigger more physical Galway side. Comer was Comer when he came on and lifted Galway. We rallied as best we could and kept going heads didn't drop and thought the three minutes at the end was a joke. But no complaints the best side won. Think we are a side in huge transition and staying in Sam Maguire will be the aim over the next few years as younger lads will gain a lot from today's experience and time spent in sam maguire. The real disaster would be to drop to tailtenn cup where I don't see any benefit for a county like monaghan playing div 4 sides. McBennett Irwin mcPhilips really showed their worth last few weeks and will be mainstays of the side in years to come. If they can hold their own as I think they will in div 2 with likes of mooney mcnulty Jones future is bright. Vinny right about one thing lads walking away from year to year builds nothing." My biggest fear next year is who we might be looking at on the line…………..
mick2007 (Monaghan) - Posts: 480 - 22/06/2024 22:08:42
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Replying To mick2007: "My biggest fear next year is who we might be looking at on the line………….." If Vinny wants to continue as manager he should be allowed to.
We don't need a circus around the county team. With the integration of ladies game into the gaa.
The rumoured management team would paint the county in a bad light.
shaggylegend (Monaghan) - Posts: 1939 - 22/06/2024 22:39:10
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Conor McManus a legend.Wishing him a happy retirement.He gave all real gaa fans many happy moments.A true superstar.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3839 - 22/06/2024 22:40:48
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Replying To shaggylegend: "If Vinny wants to continue as manager he should be allowed to.
We don't need a circus around the county team. With the integration of ladies game into the gaa.
The rumoured management team would paint the county in a bad light." Yeah agree with that. Vinny to be fair deserves another year. Havent heard the rumours but dont agree with changing the team in place.
seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1839 - 22/06/2024 23:12:05
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Replying To mick2007: "My biggest fear next year is who we might be looking at on the line………….." They haven't gone away you know
mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 1050 - 22/06/2024 23:50:28
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Before today's game I for one was afraid we would get a bad beating away to a top tier team. However on another day the result could have been different, we gave up 2 clear goal chances, one where McCarthy inexplicably refused to give it to a player in a better position, the other one Mc Bennett was unlucky not to score at a vital time, can't remember Galway having any real goal chances. Galway were better than us in the second half which is one of the reasons they won, the other was size around the middle third, our achilles heel for a while now. Going forward we need to develop players in that area to compete for long kick outs.
The retirement of Mansy (our best ever) and others may not be the worst thing for the team at this stage in their development, the new brigade need to take ownership of the team as team leadership is now an imperative, they seemed lost at vital times this year, but that happens to every team at some stage.
Vinny and Co have the foundations of a good team. Let the negative voices be negative, some people in the county, at all levels, have agendas not even worth considering. Overall a poor season which was a confusing mix depending on the old and hoping for the new. Next season we should have more clarity for the long term future of the team, there is talent there. Keep the faith
mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 1050 - 23/06/2024 01:06:00
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Replying To seanie08: "Yeah agree with that. Vinny to be fair deserves another year. Havent heard the rumours but dont agree with changing the team in place." No need to worry. It will be Vinny again next year. Monaghan football in a good place. Young players progressing and a young manager learning on the job as well. Exciting times in the next few years with some great young talent coming along.
ORIELMAN85 (Monaghan) - Posts: 306 - 23/06/2024 03:43:51
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Replying To mhunicean_abu: "They haven't gone away you know" He shouldn't have got a second term, and the thoughts of him getting a third go at it!? And if he brings the other man with him I wouldn't ever cross a turnstile again.
moodoo (Monaghan) - Posts: 454 - 23/06/2024 09:24:32
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Vinny interview on offtheball really put the game yesterday and the season as whole in the right context.
Vinny mentioned the free count against Monaghan saying Galway got a lot of dubious frees, you could see Vinny and the Management team getting very irate with soft nature of the frees Galway got especially in the lead up to half time.
He also highlighted the two goal chances, McBennett shot was unlucky but he also mention Jack tipping the ball over the bar when the goal was on.
Vinny was literally hopping up and down with anger when Jack tipped it over the bar, he knew like the vast majority of supporters that a goal at stage of the second half could have changed the whole game. The point levelled the game instead of putting Monaghan two up.
On the season as a whole with the injuries to Senior players Vinny's hand was forced to give players a lot more game time than he probably would have envisaged. Mentioning at certain stages of the league being down between 7-10 starters at a time.
This year has been tough for everyone in the county.
But hopefully this year of pain will lead to a positive future.
Hamill,Irwin have cemented their place in the team. McNulty,McBennett and Wilson have had their moments.
Next year hopefully Jones and Mooney will get more game time.
Vinny is the right man to lead Monaghan forward. He has given basically everyone of the panel game time at some stage in the league and championship.
The following players have been given debuts by Vinny in the league and championship over the last two seasons.
Darren McDonnell, Thomas McPhillips, Kevin Loughran, Karl Gallagher,Stephen Mooney, Michael Hamill, Ciaran McNulty, Joel Wilson,Kevin Sheridan, Micheal McCarville, Ryan O'Toole, Darragh Treanor, Shane Slevin, Francie Hughes, Darragh McElerney, and Bobby Walker.
Irwin and McBennett came in during Banty's term and might have got a few minutes in the league, but can't remember off the top of my head.
shaggylegend (Monaghan) - Posts: 1939 - 23/06/2024 09:56:09
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Replying To shaggylegend: "If Vinny wants to continue as manager he should be allowed to.
We don't need a circus around the county team. With the integration of ladies game into the gaa.
The rumoured management team would paint the county in a bad light." Can you shed some light on what this is about?
222 (UK) - Posts: 767 - 23/06/2024 10:55:27
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Disappointing not to get a QF in Croke Park this year but it was a shambolic season for a whole pile of reasons, so it would have been no more than a day out, I think. I thought the game was there to be won, and it was nice to see a bit of bite in our defence in the first half. Confidence seemed to drain either side of half time though.
How we get on in Div 2 next year will be the proof of what direction the team is going. Playing the Rossies, Cavan, Down, Louth, Meath, Cork, Westmeath. We have to start building something new... and proving we can beat those teams and get out of Div 2 is a challenging first step. The Louth and Meath games in the round-robin showed that we've a real chance of achieving that, but also that it's going to be really difficult. If they can get promotion & secure Sam Maguire again next year, you build confidence going into the Championship and you wouldn't bet against us getting back to Croke Park at the pointy end of the season and giving it a real go. Donegal have pointed the way this year, showing how quickly you can right the ship.
On the other hand, not one of those Div 2 teams are easy beat, and we could find ourselves at the bottom of the league with a few bad performances and maybe even playing in the Tailteann. Hopefully that jeopardy and challenge is an exciting prospect for the squad and management whenever they start planning for next year, and it focuses minds.
MunnionOfMunnionHill (Monaghan) - Posts: 5 - 23/06/2024 13:06:42
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Too controlled and measured at times for me yesterday. Are we so insecure in our defending that we can't take any risks? Two specific times was at 35 minutes and 70 minutes... Monaghan ran down the clock going into half time despite being a point down. Makes no sense to me... Surely pumping a ball in and failing to score is better than not trying at all... And if galway force a turnover there's little or no time for them to counter... I think anyway
Same at the end of the game. This is championship knockout football get the bloody ball forward and show some intent and purpose
I know from speaking with a high level coach that this is what is being trained but there has to be space for some "kamakazi" stuff and occasionally let players express themselves. Don't know why mohan was taken off but if him, mccarville and mcBennett are in and around the square I know galway would be very nervous with a high long ball coming in
Too much textbook tactics in the modern game. My problem with that is there is also textbook defending so the game is just going thru the phases...
Before someone points it out. I know we got bate badly trying to play football against kerry so I'm not saying for everyone to run around like headless chickens but there's a time and a place for some ingenuity
Rant over. Other than that I think we did OK and the ref let us down a few times... Glad to see a lot of new players breaking in this year... I still like vinny as the front man but would suggest a new face in the coaching
MalsBalls (Monaghan) - Posts: 197 - 23/06/2024 15:52:25
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Replying To shaggylegend: "Vinny interview on offtheball really put the game yesterday and the season as whole in the right context.
Vinny mentioned the free count against Monaghan saying Galway got a lot of dubious frees, you could see Vinny and the Management team getting very irate with soft nature of the frees Galway got especially in the lead up to half time.
He also highlighted the two goal chances, McBennett shot was unlucky but he also mention Jack tipping the ball over the bar when the goal was on.
Vinny was literally hopping up and down with anger when Jack tipped it over the bar, he knew like the vast majority of supporters that a goal at stage of the second half could have changed the whole game. The point levelled the game instead of putting Monaghan two up.
On the season as a whole with the injuries to Senior players Vinny's hand was forced to give players a lot more game time than he probably would have envisaged. Mentioning at certain stages of the league being down between 7-10 starters at a time.
This year has been tough for everyone in the county.
But hopefully this year of pain will lead to a positive future.
Hamill,Irwin have cemented their place in the team. McNulty,McBennett and Wilson have had their moments.
Next year hopefully Jones and Mooney will get more game time.
Vinny is the right man to lead Monaghan forward. He has given basically everyone of the panel game time at some stage in the league and championship.
The following players have been given debuts by Vinny in the league and championship over the last two seasons.
Darren McDonnell, Thomas McPhillips, Kevin Loughran, Karl Gallagher,Stephen Mooney, Michael Hamill, Ciaran McNulty, Joel Wilson,Kevin Sheridan, Micheal McCarville, Ryan O'Toole, Darragh Treanor, Shane Slevin, Francie Hughes, Darragh McElerney, and Bobby Walker.
Irwin and McBennett came in during Banty's term and might have got a few minutes in the league, but can't remember off the top of my head." Vinney I think he ok but not overly sure about his man manger skills ...if o connell hadn't of got injured against louth I don't think vinney would of started Woods atall this year...I think mulligan deserves another chance but he mite nt play for vinney after all that happen between them like the row between them was over body % fat but yet this year he play hamil every game hamil was nt strong in the tackle in any games ... i hope vinney asks boyle & Carey back...looking at mccarren yday comming off I wudnt be surprise if he packs it in...he wasnt happy atall & only geting 10 mins agaisnt dublin in semi last year...in fairness he was good in clare and Armagh games but vinney took him off put mcnulty on who works hard but not really a scoring threat.... Yes he did good job with irwin Wilson mcbennett mcarville mcphilips mcnulty giving them their chance but it fair to say that if vinney stays on he needs to freshen things up and let marty corey & Dermot mcardle go...tactical monaghan are so negative even when we are geting beat in the dying minutes of a game its just so slow and safe...very noticeable the wkend with all the other teams is that how quick their goalkeepers are to the tee to get the short quick kickout restart the game asap rory is very slow to the tee.
AlanD (Monaghan) - Posts: 12 - 23/06/2024 21:06:34
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A season to forget for Monaghan ended with some degree of redemption yesterday. I thought a trimming was on the cards in Salthill, but they stood toe to toe with Galway for large parts of the game, despite giving away a lot in terms of size, experience. In the end, Galway's physicality at midfield/half forward and options off the bench made the difference. The battling qualities shown by Monaghan over the last few weeks leaves some room for optimism. Lavelle, Jason Irwin, O'Hanlon and Mohan have all stood up when needed, so too McBennett. Definitely more needed from Woods and Jones, and Mooney needs time on the pitch. The other new lads have struggled a bit but to their credit they have stuck at it- young Hamill for example ran himself to a standstill yesterday and deserves huge credit for his work. Hope Vinny sticks it out, but agree there are moves to be made in the coaching setup. To be fair, the game-plan of controlling the ball worked brilliantly for long periods yesterday but they didn't have a plan to go up the gears when needed. Another frustrating element to Monaghan's game management is how slow they are to make positive substitutions, and how bloody long it seems to get a player on the pitch once the call is made. It took nearly 7 minutes to get Jones on the field yesterday, so 12 to go when he was called up, 5 to go when he finally crossed the white line. Game over by then. Plenty of things for the setup to ponder over the club championship and into autumn Jack's role is a conundrum. When the shackles need to come off, he needs to come off. Surely at this point Mooney and Bannigan can play the keep-ball role between them with more direct threat form Mooney. Physicality around the middle- it really showed against Kerry and again yesterday. Its the one area where Monaghan's small pick of players really does tell. Can Conor Leonard finally get some time on the pitch? They will have to work hard on McBennett to shore up no.6 (O'Toole is not the answer here). Wilson will come good in time but one or two others badly needed- no clear options in the club scene. Having Dessie Ward back fit for a wing back/wing forward role would be like getting a new player. Conor Boyle and Aaron Mulligan too but the prospects are not great. The same challenges remain for Monaghan 3,6,8, and 9. Lavelle has solved one and Mohan partially another. All possible options need to be available and considered.
Eddie the Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 1106 - 23/06/2024 22:13:08
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Replying To AlanD: "Vinney I think he ok but not overly sure about his man manger skills ...if o connell hadn't of got injured against louth I don't think vinney would of started Woods atall this year...I think mulligan deserves another chance but he mite nt play for vinney after all that happen between them like the row between them was over body % fat but yet this year he play hamil every game hamil was nt strong in the tackle in any games ... i hope vinney asks boyle & Carey back...looking at mccarren yday comming off I wudnt be surprise if he packs it in...he wasnt happy atall & only geting 10 mins agaisnt dublin in semi last year...in fairness he was good in clare and Armagh games but vinney took him off put mcnulty on who works hard but not really a scoring threat.... Yes he did good job with irwin Wilson mcbennett mcarville mcphilips mcnulty giving them their chance but it fair to say that if vinney stays on he needs to freshen things up and let marty corey & Dermot mcardle go...tactical monaghan are so negative even when we are geting beat in the dying minutes of a game its just so slow and safe...very noticeable the wkend with all the other teams is that how quick their goalkeepers are to the tee to get the short quick kickout restart the game asap rory is very slow to the tee." Woods started against Galway and Mayo in the league and in them games his discipline cost him a chance of starting in more games during the year.
Hamill was one of the most consistent performers all season and deserved his spot. The game against Galway in the league he was exceptional. His pace and speed along with Bannigan and O'Hanlon make our half forward line the most dangerous line on the pitch.
I'd imagine the ball is in Mulligan's court to see if he wants to give the commitment needed to play at Inter County level. Has all the talent but is in danger of wasting it.
Jack wouldn't be my cup of tea at the moment. I think unfortunately he hasn't the sharpness of the mark to win his own ball, which means he starts drifting out the field picking up easy ball and then proceeds to pass it sideways and backwards.
His desire to get his own score cost Monaghan a glorious goal chance yesterday. Vinny in his post match interview mentioned it also his body language on the sideline told the real story.
Vinny has been one of the people that have drove the standard in the county. He come in when things were at a low ebb and playing the likes of Carlow,Waterford, etc. He knows that if fellas aren't 100% committed to the cause then he will find someone else who are.
shaggylegend (Monaghan) - Posts: 1939 - 23/06/2024 22:13:41
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Tactics were spot on at weekend. We just needed a more physical presence in middle third when Galway upped it in second half and a genuine threat inside which we haven't had in a few years since mcmanus 13-20. Teams have found it easier to defend against us. Our half forward line worked and battled hard but was a few mismatches there when we were forced to go long. A fit dessie Ward and return of Niall Kearns or conor leonard staying fit be a big help but on a positive barry mcbennett really established himself last few weeks.
seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1839 - 24/06/2024 12:26:37
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Replying To moodoo: "He shouldn't have got a second term, and the thoughts of him getting a third go at it!? And if he brings the other man with him I wouldn't ever cross a turnstile again." Feel the same , hopefully it's only a rumour, Vinney can re build now .. I wouldn't go through a turnstile if this happened again . We would be loathed in the sport
stoneygrey (Monaghan) - Posts: 217 - 24/06/2024 13:16:30
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Replying To veterngaa: "Very valid point. I can't remember a game since then and even in 2013 we were not being written off as much as we were in an ulster final on merit. This seems different. If Monaghan were to win today it would be there with one of the biggest coups in Monaghan gaa past. We just need to be in the game with 10 minutes left.. I just hope we make a game of it. The more I seen everyone writing us off the more hope I get....." Missing person alert. Last seen on Cavan Hoganstand forum Saturday afternoon. May answer to the name Tom or may be wearing a borrowed Cavan Gaels Jersey. Could be confused or agitated so approach with caution.
KingdomofBreifne (Cavan) - Posts: 145 - 24/06/2024 14:33:29
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