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Ok, but why always Moate that make up the numbers in the sole junior group? This will be the third year in a row that Moate are with them
A_Chairde (Westmeath) - Posts: 286 - 05/04/2025 20:27:12 2600677 Link 0 |
Unsure, very strange. I wonder if their was a draw or something. Does not seem fare that.
IKnowBestest (Westmeath) - Posts: 7 - 05/04/2025 20:30:51 2600679 Link 0 |
Fair enough
Gaaforlife2023 (Longford) - Posts: 663 - 05/04/2025 20:53:32 2600682 Link 0 |
Fair point, they probably should make it like the intermediate and senior with an A and B (4 in A and 2 from B progress). All they need to do is a do a playoff with the beaten quarter finalists this year but I'm sure some clubs would object.
Bluelake (Westmeath) - Posts: 236 - 05/04/2025 21:16:05 2600687 Link 1 |
The shuld do tat or It shuld be a draw to see wat 2nd team goes in with the 1st teams. Not fare that the same team needs 2 play the second teams who don't get weaker as the competition goes on the same was second teams do. IKnowBestest (Westmeath) - Posts: 7 - 05/04/2025 22:49:05 2600707 Link 0 |
Been looking at the league tables and this weekend's fixtures since we've just nearly wrapped up a round 5 across all divisions. I've also seen a bit of chat on the forum lately about the junior groups and a few other bits. Just to be clear-this isn't me having a go at South Westmeath or anything-but there are a few things that are a bit worrying. Fighting-Cocks69 (Westmeath) - Posts: 72 - 05/04/2025 23:13:28 2600709 Link 0 |
Garrycastle and Moate 2nd and 3rd in Div 1, Tubberclair top of Division 2, Castledaly likely to come out of Division 3, Ballinagore top of Division 4, Tubberclair top of Division 5. When you say it's huge for North Westmeath who exactly are you referring to? There's no split between North and South; but coming up with stuff like your last post would suggest you see things that way. People on this forum can't even decide what constitutes North and South, so who is it huge for exactly? Do you think Loman's, Shamrocks, The Downs and Kinnegad actually want to see their rivals going well.?
OverTheHill85 (Westmeath) - Posts: 49 - 06/04/2025 11:38:29 2600739 Link 1 |
Castledaly have 6 points from 3 games, the downs have 6 points from 5 games, not sure exactly how it's looking "very likely" that the downs will get promoted ahead of them
Iakecounty90 (Westmeath) - Posts: 5 - 06/04/2025 12:00:25 2600740 Link 0 |
Moate is in that group because there is less 1st than 2nd teams in J1 and when the first time the second teams outnumbered the first teams (2020 when Delvin was relegated) moate came up from J2 so they have been put in with the second teams and will stay there until the number of first teams increases in J1
DixieNormus (Offaly) - Posts: 2 - 07/04/2025 11:00:19 2600929 Link 0 |
That is incorrect and even if it was its unfair. Clubs can not be punished for winning it when they do? Who win Junior 2 the years after 2020? How come they not go into Pot 2? IKnowBestest (Westmeath) - Posts: 7 - 07/04/2025 12:04:24 2600942 Link 0 |
There should be a draw to decide which second team goes into the sole Junior side but keeping them mainly separated is there for a reason. A second team can be very different in round 1 to round 5 if their first team gets a run of injuries so keeping them apart is a good thing for the sole Junior clubs. It's a big discussion in general because if you say you want to improve the standard by involving the second teams then surely the best thing is to mix from the start and let the chips lie but that can't happen for the reason I gave. Westmeath clubs won't agree on the future for the competition as a Senior B competition is not valued by the big clubs and if you mix Junior 1 and 2 you could see some big beatings handed out which does no-one any good
Darragh (Westmeath) - Posts: 316 - 07/04/2025 15:06:46 2600980 Link 1 |
Why don't we take 2nd teams out of junior championship and have a solo 2nd team championship. Have the same rules in the 2nd team championship example, if you play senior championship you cannot play 2nd team championship. You have to name 15 players if you are senior club and 12 if you are an intermediate club. Get rid of Junior 2 and put all the juniors teams in a junior championship. Temple56 (Westmeath) - Posts: 545 - 07/04/2025 16:09:50 2600988 Link 0 |
I personally agree with that and Junior clubs would side with that but I just don't think it will happen. Big clubs would probably oppose it and I don't think there is any appetite in County Board to go against that
Darragh (Westmeath) - Posts: 316 - 07/04/2025 16:28:34 2600990 Link 0 |
There's simply not enough quality teams to do that. Delvin, St. Paul's and Loughnavalley struggling at the moment, that leaves Bun, Joseph's, Ballinagore and Ballynacargy as the only real contenders. Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 2096 - 07/04/2025 17:51:23 2601004 Link 0 |
The horse has already bolted here so there's pretty much no chance of that happening.
Bluelake (Westmeath) - Posts: 236 - 07/04/2025 18:12:25 2601007 Link 0 |
I woukd as well, only thought would be that it could be a case of the Junior team winning a 1 or two yrs ahead of being ready and bouncing up and down between intermediate and junior. Dos anyone no who won Junior 2 in 2022 or 2023? IKnowBestest (Westmeath) - Posts: 7 - 07/04/2025 18:56:18 2601011 Link 0 |
Nonsense ! When was the last time a senior second team won the junior ? Was it shamrocks in 2011? And when was the last time before then. The senior clubs second strings add considerably to the junior championship and make it a competitive championship. Having a sole junior championship would only lead to hammerings of the teams currently in j2 by the current j1 teams Those clubs are in junior 2 for a reason and I'm not saying they are any less important than any other club in the county but that is currently their level. Take ballinagore for example relageted to junior 2 a few years ago and it took then maybe 3 years to come back up , this allowed them to start over again and start developing again getting players to the right standard to play at junior 1 level and now after a few solid years in junior 2 they are now back up ready to compete in junior 1 again , without a doubt in my opinion if they hadn't or had the chance to play at the level of junior 2 against slightly weaker opposition they would've fallen off suffering defeats to the stronger sole junior teams every year. And they will go well this year in j1 Every year there is a relagation final between the bottom team in group which means a seniors second team can be relegated from junior 1 & hopefully with some of the junior clubs in junior 2 over the next few years get it back to even groups & if not have more junior teams than senior in it. The senior clubs second string sides take junior 1 very seriously almost as if they are a junior club themselves. Them players deserve to play at a higher level too if they are capable of it ! A sole championship to clubs second team would mean nothing to anybody The system we have in place is a good system so why try fix something when it is not broken ! Westmeath213 (Westmeath) - Posts: 338 - 07/04/2025 21:00:36 2601026 Link 0 |
Great post. Ballinagore a great example of the system working. They could mount a decent tilt at the junior championship this year, lots of young mobile players. The likes of Loman's etc need a championship worth trying to win to keep their second string interested in playing. Their junior team last year had no players after two rounds who broke into senior championship side but the likes of Cillian Plunkett, Daniel McCann, Shane Mulderry, Seani Bracken and the Kennys sampled proper championship fare against strong junior players and vice versa. Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 2096 - 07/04/2025 22:28:54 2601035 Link 0 |