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Replying To iarmhiabu: "Wait I thought St Loman's had the junior already won?? Kinnegad so close to shocking The Downs. The Downs got home by the width of their whiskers. Niall Mitchell was non existent but it shows they can win games without him too. I fancy them to beat St Loman's in the final." Look back at my prediction. I tipped CFCW and never mentioned them winning it at all. No complaints here, better team won. Lomans aren't in the senior final yet either.
Bluelake (Westmeath) - Posts: 185 - 28/09/2024 20:08:23
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Replying To Claretandblue: "Some turnaround by Moate in the three weeks since they were well beaten by Shandonagh in the championship round robin. Deserved winners this evening although Shandonagh staged a late comeback with a flurry of points in the closing minutes. Moate played far more attacking football than usual and got their reward. Shandonagh corner back suffered a serious injury and game was delayed for fifteen mins. Hopefully he's recovering. Disappointing end to Shandonagh's year although their performances all year have been average at best." Hopefully Cathal Craig is alright, has had awful luck in his career with injuries.
Bluelake (Westmeath) - Posts: 185 - 28/09/2024 20:11:23
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Kinnegad shocking The Downs? The bookies had this game evenly priced, hardly a shock if Kinnegad had won, possibly deserved to, dominated last 20 minutes but they just don't score goals.
Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1945 - 28/09/2024 20:16:23
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Replying To iarmhiabu: "Wait I thought St Loman's had the junior already won?? Kinnegad so close to shocking The Downs. The Downs got home by the width of their whiskers. Niall Mitchell was non existent but it shows they can win games without him too. I fancy them to beat St Loman's in the final." Wouldnt have been a shock if Kinnegad had won. There is never anything between The Downs and Kinnegad on any given day. Mitchell was well held by the Kinnegad full back but still had good moments. Kinnegad will feel they left it behind them but goals win matches.
A_Chairde (Westmeath) - Posts: 251 - 28/09/2024 20:30:06
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Replying To iarmhiabu: "Wait I thought St Loman's had the junior already won?? Kinnegad so close to shocking The Downs. The Downs got home by the width of their whiskers. Niall Mitchell was non existent but it shows they can win games without him too. I fancy them to beat St Loman's in the final." I couldn't agree more. Thought the hype around the Loman's junior team was way over the top. They are a good team don't get me wrong, but I don't even think they are as good as they were last year.
The lads on the podcast had given that Lomans junior team the the championship since July… they've gotten more air time than the rest of the clubs have got combined.
westmeathman99 (Westmeath) - Posts: 118 - 28/09/2024 20:42:32
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Replying To PowellJohn3: "A bit off topic but watching games this year one thing really stood out for me and i know people will be cribbing and crying about this, but the standard of refereeing is not up to scratch and i am not blaming the refs here, blaming the training and structure. We have about 2-3 good refs in the county, some dont know the rules, some arent strong enough to run a game, some have too much to say, some are unfit, League games lads are ended up in hospital on a weekly basis. When you go down the divisions you would wonder how the insurance covers it.
Seems like a referees report is unchangeable/unchallenged, are the refs being audited in the county? and are games been recorded and refs been pulled up on decisions?
Players are now training at a very high level 5 days a week 3 pitch sessions and 2-3 gym sessions from January until hopefully October and then on the biggest game of there year a ref is poor, doesnt seem fair. Managers and selectors also putting a lot of time into a team and trying to leave no stone unturned.
Were all allowed to make mistakes its only human and without refs we dont have a game but the county board should assist the refs in every means possible in training, Audits, video reviews, case studies ETC.
What is the current practice for refs in the county? I am sure they are sick of players and managers giving out." Referees being audited. What do you mean by that?
We are no different than any other county. Having been at and watched games down through the years, I would even argue we have a higher standard of officiating.
The problem is when you "pull up" a referee based on "decisions" what happens when there is no one else to referee a match? These are volunteers in short supply. There are some bad ones no more than anything else but for the most part they try their best. Go to any match as a neutral and listen to the abuse shouted in from supporters or management. Most have never read a rule book to begin with.
Your comment about players training at a very high level may be true but what benefit is it doing. The standard of football at this years championship has been poor.
To your last point, I agree but as far as I know they receive assessments and do training nights a few times a year.
Comment from another poster about free gear for new refs is nonsensical. Who in their right mind is a. going to be on the receiving end of abuse just for an item or two of gear or b. Wear a luminous top that says reiteoir anywhere outside a football/hurling field.
Westmeath2024 (Westmeath) - Posts: 4 - 28/09/2024 20:50:41
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Replying To Westmeath2024: "Referees being audited. What do you mean by that?
We are no different than any other county. Having been at and watched games down through the years, I would even argue we have a higher standard of officiating.
The problem is when you "pull up" a referee based on "decisions" what happens when there is no one else to referee a match? These are volunteers in short supply. There are some bad ones no more than anything else but for the most part they try their best. Go to any match as a neutral and listen to the abuse shouted in from supporters or management. Most have never read a rule book to begin with.
Your comment about players training at a very high level may be true but what benefit is it doing. The standard of football at this years championship has been poor.
To your last point, I agree but as far as I know they receive assessments and do training nights a few times a year.
Comment from another poster about free gear for new refs is nonsensical. Who in their right mind is a. going to be on the receiving end of abuse just for an item or two of gear or b. Wear a luminous top that says reiteoir anywhere outside a football/hurling field." Well said
Gaaforlife2023 (Longford) - Posts: 539 - 28/09/2024 21:13:46
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Replying To LoughLeneKing: " Replying To Highball_Lowball: "Good post there CleanShoulder.
Unfortunately I think the result of this appeal will be to the detriment of juvenile footballers in the years ahead. The second teams are entered into the lower divisions to give games to players who train just as hard as everyone else in the panel but due to the competitive nature of championships higher up the divisions might not get rewarded with as much game time as the first 15. We will probably be looking at 15-17 subs togging out next year for some of these clubs and that only leads to one thing at these age grades, player drop out.
Also I must defend the minor board on this one, I believe they attended the hearing and tried to fight the appeal but ultimately were informed that the appeal had succeeded. It is a slap in the face for them after their efforts over the last number of years to grow player numbers. I guess the club who appealed were able to use the influence of their members on the county board to get the game they lost fairly and squarely replayed. Don't get me wrong if a club plays a named player in their second team they should be punished, as happened to a rather large club last year, but this is not the case here. Its not very sporting and I know many of the members of the appealing club are unhappy with the unsporting nature of the appeal.
Anyway, not much can be done about it at this stage. I agree with the previous poster "Ludicrous stuff" is appropriate." Did you say the county board attended an appeal and tried to "fight it"? Fight an appeal where they broke the rules.... and as indicated in other comments they were made aware of this situation before hand and still continued with the rule breaking??? ... now that's very concerning happenings.... the most important thing here is the integrity of the game and this was obviously compromised greatly in this case.... Will sanctions be imposed on the perpetrators?"
Highball_Lowball (Westmeath) - Posts: 12 - 28/09/2024 21:30:10
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Replying To Westmeath2024: "Referees being audited. What do you mean by that?
We are no different than any other county. Having been at and watched games down through the years, I would even argue we have a higher standard of officiating.
The problem is when you "pull up" a referee based on "decisions" what happens when there is no one else to referee a match? These are volunteers in short supply. There are some bad ones no more than anything else but for the most part they try their best. Go to any match as a neutral and listen to the abuse shouted in from supporters or management. Most have never read a rule book to begin with.
Your comment about players training at a very high level may be true but what benefit is it doing. The standard of football at this years championship has been poor.
To your last point, I agree but as far as I know they receive assessments and do training nights a few times a year.
Comment from another poster about free gear for new refs is nonsensical. Who in their right mind is a. going to be on the receiving end of abuse just for an item or two of gear or b. Wear a luminous top that says reiteoir anywhere outside a football/hurling field." Referees from adjacent clubs should not be accepted. Get referees from neighbour counties to officiate .
Is it too much up ask that referees know what the rules are?
ExiledCuCu (Cavan) - Posts: 240 - 28/09/2024 21:31:45
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Not sure about Loman's being overhyped and I'm one of the posters here who thought they'd win the Junior championship. They won Div 3 of the league and that's a fine achievement, no junior club near Division 2 in league, they also won their six championship matches so far with six points being lowest margin and they've lost only 1-2 players to their senior set up. Apparently they were well beaten today, only four points in end but Loman's supporters in the park tonight said they couldn't compete in the second half. Finea were unlucky to be relegated last year and will be favourites in the final.
Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1945 - 28/09/2024 21:31:46
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Bun vs Joseph's hard to call, Bun have beaten them twice in league and championship this year and there's always question marks over Joseph's bottle on the days that count. Bun continue to defy the calendar with Finnan, the Newmans, Whitney, Maguire, Yourrell and Moorehead still prominent and their win over a youthful The Downs side was particularly defiant. Extra time may be needed but Bun to eventually shade it. Garrycastle will be 4-5 point favourites vs Multy but Multy are unbeaten in six championship matches and have already achieved their goals for the championship, Garrycastle's experience and physicality to prove crucial.
Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1945 - 29/09/2024 00:13:45
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Replying To Highball_Lowball: " Replying To LoughLeneKing: "[quote=Highball_Lowball: "Good post there CleanShoulder.
Unfortunately I think the result of this appeal will be to the detriment of juvenile footballers in the years ahead. The second teams are entered into the lower divisions to give games to players who train just as hard as everyone else in the panel but due to the competitive nature of championships higher up the divisions might not get rewarded with as much game time as the first 15. We will probably be looking at 15-17 subs togging out next year for some of these clubs and that only leads to one thing at these age grades, player drop out.
Also I must defend the minor board on this one, I believe they attended the hearing and tried to fight the appeal but ultimately were informed that the appeal had succeeded. It is a slap in the face for them after their efforts over the last number of years to grow player numbers. I guess the club who appealed were able to use the influence of their members on the county board to get the game they lost fairly and squarely replayed. Don't get me wrong if a club plays a named player in their second team they should be punished, as happened to a rather large club last year, but this is not the case here. Its not very sporting and I know many of the members of the appealing club are unhappy with the unsporting nature of the appeal.
Anyway, not much can be done about it at this stage. I agree with the previous poster "Ludicrous stuff" is appropriate." Did you say the county board attended an appeal and tried to "fight it"? Fight an appeal where they broke the rules.... and as indicated in other comments they were made aware of this situation before hand and still continued with the rule breaking??? ... now that's very concerning happenings.... the most important thing here is the integrity of the game and this was obviously compromised greatly in this case.... Will sanctions be imposed on the perpetrators?"
If a club broke the rules both chair and secretary would be hit with a ban... whether it was an oversight or not. If they knowingly done it, then they're positions are also untenable, and it's as simple as that.
We all have an opinion on this... but the rules are the rules and consequences are the consequences. You have to be accountable for your decisions and actions, especially if you are in these positions of authority.
If a rule is passed for next years championship that all players must wear pink boots with yellow dots, then they must all wear them whether you me or anyone else likes it or not. As I said.... rules are rules and abiding by them is what keeps us all in line!!! It's the same in every walk of life, not just sport.
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Officiating in Rochfortbridge today was terrible,shandonagh completely done out of match,2 blatant points waved wide and moate goal just after half time ball was bounced twice,a great game thou apart from that!
Opinions (Westmeath) - Posts: 1 - 29/09/2024 03:25:03
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Taking opinion from the podcast is a lottery at best. The pundits are unfamiliar with most of the teams. I generally don't read too much into the league. No notice was taken of CFCW because they got off to a bad start this year but happened to see them last year and they are a good team, particularly Conor Gaffney. I predicted them on here weeks ago when the Lomans hype machine was in full flow but having said that they haven't won anything yet and maybe there will be another twist and I will be wrong too. Must say it's a very exciting format we have in Westmeath.
Jack_Sparrow (Westmeath) - Posts: 1031 - 29/09/2024 08:24:54
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Replying To Claretandblue: "Kinnegad shocking The Downs? The bookies had this game evenly priced, hardly a shock if Kinnegad had won, possibly deserved to, dominated last 20 minutes but they just don't score goals." Yea, bookies had Kinnegad favourites and The Downs at 5/4.
stonemadbeany (USA) - Posts: 595 - 29/09/2024 09:43:36
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Be a great idea if Westmeath had a highlights package on social media of games that were streamed.
I couldn't make it to the park yesterday or steam the games live so my only option to watch the games back is to buy each of them for €12. Be great if there was a 3/4 minute highlight video of the games with all the scores and big moments.
Idea came to my mind as I have logged on to Twitter this morning and watched 3 matches on Mayo GAA Twitter. All 3/4 minutes long and got the to see some great scores. Cavan GAA also do this.
Temple56 (Westmeath) - Posts: 518 - 29/09/2024 09:54:58
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Replying To CleanShoulder: "No first team players were used as such, clubs name their strongest 15, when both teams are playing the same time the first team would bring maybe 4 or 5 subs, these players would benefit obviously from playing a full game with the second team but a team needs subs. Sometimes the second team will have to bring players from age grade below because with up to 20 gone with first team numbers may be tight on a given evening. Still no real problem here some might say and relatively fair…
On some occasions if the games are on separate evenings the subs that would go with the first team might get a chance to start for the second team in a lower division as they're not named. Still relatively fair, probably a bit fairer to all involved some might say as everyone gets a game at their level.
The issue that arose recently is that a first team which is an amalgamation of a senior and an intermediate clubs underage, and playing under 16 devision 5, I believe, objected under rule after they were beaten by a point in a quarter final that the oppositions clubs first team that plays division 2 weren't playing simultaneously. Basically they want the opposition clubs second team to be as weak as possible.
Although there is a rule that a club with 2 teams at an age grade must name 15 that can't play for the second team, there is apparently another rule which says both teams must play simultaneously, and this is the rule that was cited in the objection to the result, and has ultimately thrown the knockout of some underage competitions into disarray.
To my mind I think it's an unfair rule and that it possibly lacks legitimacy for a couple of reasons…
Here's why… In some grades there are not the same amount of teams in all the divisions, some age grades have odd numbers in the groups, some divisions have byes every week… All this means that there are some weeks when both a clubs teams are playing, and other weeks when only one team play, so parity is lost here straight away… To add to this, some teams get straight to a semi and others to a quarter so there are scenarios where one team from a club may have a match and the other is idle…
So the fact that this club got a game struck off on appeal because the opposition clubs first team were not also playing, and because of this a load more knockout games got refixed and put back, does this mean that all the other rounds of the group stages need to be revisited so we can have parity… Where does it end??
The bigger issue is that it's unfair to clubs who are fielding a second team and making a genuine effort to provide games for all its underage members.
What has happened will lead to more clubs now deciding not to field a second team as it will pose too many challenges, why would they make the effort to recruit mentors or scrimp for players during holidays just to have their efforts thrown back in their faces. It will lead to a scenario where there are huge squads and players not catered for and dropping off.
And what happens if both a clubs teams make a final at the same grade, does it mean members must choose who they support?
Ludicrous stuff because a club wants to win an underage title in a committee room" Disgraceful if this true and underage os where you want retain players
Gaaforlife2023 (Longford) - Posts: 539 - 29/09/2024 10:22:38
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Replying To Highball_Lowball: " Replying To LoughLeneKing: "[quote=Highball_Lowball: "Good post there CleanShoulder.
Unfortunately I think the result of this appeal will be to the detriment of juvenile footballers in the years ahead. The second teams are entered into the lower divisions to give games to players who train just as hard as everyone else in the panel but due to the competitive nature of championships higher up the divisions might not get rewarded with as much game time as the first 15. We will probably be looking at 15-17 subs togging out next year for some of these clubs and that only leads to one thing at these age grades, player drop out.
Also I must defend the minor board on this one, I believe they attended the hearing and tried to fight the appeal but ultimately were informed that the appeal had succeeded. It is a slap in the face for them after their efforts over the last number of years to grow player numbers. I guess the club who appealed were able to use the influence of their members on the county board to get the game they lost fairly and squarely replayed. Don't get me wrong if a club plays a named player in their second team they should be punished, as happened to a rather large club last year, but this is not the case here. Its not very sporting and I know many of the members of the appealing club are unhappy with the unsporting nature of the appeal.
Anyway, not much can be done about it at this stage. I agree with the previous poster "Ludicrous stuff" is appropriate." Did you say the county board attended an appeal and tried to "fight it"? Fight an appeal where they broke the rules.... and as indicated in other comments they were made aware of this situation before hand and still continued with the rule breaking??? ... now that's very concerning happenings.... the most important thing here is the integrity of the game and this was obviously compromised greatly in this case.... Will sanctions be imposed on the perpetrators?"
TheLineKing (Westmeath) - Posts: 25 - 29/09/2024 10:47:31
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Replying To Opinions: "Officiating in Rochfortbridge today was terrible,shandonagh completely done out of match,2 blatant points waved wide and moate goal just after half time ball was bounced twice,a great game thou apart from that!" Shandonagh probably do feel extremely hard done by the blatantly wrong decisions that the ref gave but overall they seemed to peak very late in the championship for whatever reason. As for Moate they also had a poor year as I was expecting them to compete for 2nd or 3rd in the group and will be grateful I'm sure not to be playing intermediate football next year.
Midlandsman (Westmeath) - Posts: 31 - 29/09/2024 10:57:07
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Replying To Claretandblue: "Not sure about Loman's being overhyped and I'm one of the posters here who thought they'd win the Junior championship. They won Div 3 of the league and that's a fine achievement, no junior club near Division 2 in league, they also won their six championship matches so far with six points being lowest margin and they've lost only 1-2 players to their senior set up. Apparently they were well beaten today, only four points in end but Loman's supporters in the park tonight said they couldn't compete in the second half. Finea were unlucky to be relegated last year and will be favourites in the final." St Loman's nearest rivals competed in Division 2 this year so it's nothing new to the table. You and others have the St Loman's juniors overhyped. The St Loman's seniors way overhyped too. Not as good as people think with that full back line.
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