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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "Agree with nearly all you postes User but the reality still was Meath were poor.The reality is as you mentioned Cluxton had an off day.Probably his worst kicking performance in years and also Dublin were without Fenton (the best midfielder of his generation) and yet Meath still lose by 16pts. I agree that Meath went into game not believing they could win and just wanted to come out with credit.Meath s best work came from kickouts.If Fenton was there Id worry about the final tally.One other thing id disagree with you on though is McGarry.I think he s a great worker even if he wont give the scoreboard operator too much work.I think Cian Murphy is a super all energetic player and like the cut of McGinniss too."
Yeah, it didn't look like Meath believed they could win, but at least they should have been hoping to give the Dubs a good rattle for, say, 50 miniutes. Once the first goal went in the game was effectively over, but what I thought strange that no Meath player seemed to challenge the ref for allowing at least 11 steps to be taken before the goal was scored. I remember Robbie O'Malley complaining to the ref many years ago after Ciaran Duff took maybe six or seven steps before scoring a goal. Different team, different mindset.

midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 583 - 15/04/2024 16:47:11    2538144

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Replying To CartaDubh:  "Cian Murphy, Ross McGarry and Lahiff have really stepped this league campaign for Dublin you would imagine that they will be pushing hard for places on the championship team.
If Everyone fit Dublin 15 will be very hard to pick. Cluxton probably will retain his position in goals. I actually think O'Hanlon is better than Comerford and should have been starting in the league final.
McMahon and Murphy have been good in the league but you would imagine that Fitzsimons and Murchan both start which means that Murphy might get the other spot in the full back line.
Half Back line: John Small would be centre back, with probably Gannon and McCarthy as wing backs.
Midfield for me would be Fenton and Lahiff.
Half forward: would for me be Howard and Kilkenny wing forwards with Bugler at centre forward.
Then full forward line for me should be Small, O'Callaghan as I think that O'Callaghan links up better with Small then he does with the likes of Costello and Mannion. I would have Basquel as the other player in the 15.

The options off the bench would then be McCaffrey, Scully, Mannion, Costello, McMahon, McGarry, O'Gara, McGinnis. That's a crazy strong bench and panel that Dublin have at their disposal if everyone is fit and available."
Good call on Cian Murphy - he is turning out to be an excellent player.
He has some engine and also provides a scoring threat.

Nothing against RMG - but I cant see him making the starting team when it comes to knockout.
Good player but we have better.

TL for me is the making a midfield spot his own at this stage. Himself and Fenton are formidable partnership.

Jamesie and Mick Fitz back really strengthens the Defence.

The options are pretty good this year and we should have a very strong bench to choose from.

For me, kick outs and tighten up more at the back are the priorities.

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3975 - 15/04/2024 17:17:11    2538155

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Dublin have no shortage of talent but where did Robbie McDaid go to?

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3844 - 15/04/2024 20:05:13    2538183

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Was in lower Hogan on 21 yesterday so got great view of the Murch in secondhalf. He wins some outrageous ball for a lad marking fellas who tower over him. Often one on one in last line.

One of cleverest and skillful backs we've ever had. And he's following an illustous band.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3118 - 15/04/2024 22:01:03    2538199

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Was in lower Hogan on 21 yesterday so got great view of the Murch in secondhalf. He wins some outrageous ball for a lad marking fellas who tower over him. Often one on one in last line.

One of cleverest and skillful backs we've ever had. And he's following an illustous band."
A few of us on the Hill were commenting on that exact thing on Sunday.

For his stature, he is some man. Reads the game and the player so well.

He is right up there with the best backs to have played for Dublin.

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3975 - 16/04/2024 08:38:15    2538237

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Any update on Ciaran.?
Shocking what has happened to him....
Reckon he has just lost the appetite for the game at this stage tbh.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/former-dublin-star-ciaran-archer-has-proposed-96-week-ban-overturned/a200451781.html

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3975 - 16/04/2024 09:36:07    2538265

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Replying To Fionn:  "Yes, it is a Double Header in HQ.

I thought Mick Fitz and Murch and McMahon were all very good tbh.
Lahiff is turning into a very fine midfielder.
Selection options will be a welcome headache for Dessie in the upcoming games.
Dont forget Lee & Jack still to come back into the defence also.

Fully expect Clancy to get a run out v Offaly in 2 weeks time.

Cian McBride was the Meath #17 - not long back from Australia where he was playing Aussie Rules.
A bit raw but could turn out to be an excellent player."
Think we could be a lot tighter pal, Fionn i felt the same way this time last year.

Lahiff is playing really well, i think he has to cut his cloth to being more of a utility when he plays with Fenton, but hes a fine player on his own merit.

I dont see Jack starting games anymore if im honest, seems to me like thier is some understanding and flexibility with him being back in the panel, his pace is such - i dont know if you can do it over 70 mins anymore and stay fit. But his impact could be huge.

Very good player that McBride, very good.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4465 - 16/04/2024 14:25:31    2538350

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "Agree with nearly all you postes User but the reality still was Meath were poor.The reality is as you mentioned Cluxton had an off day.Probably his worst kicking performance in years and also Dublin were without Fenton (the best midfielder of his generation) and yet Meath still lose by 16pts. I agree that Meath went into game not believing they could win and just wanted to come out with credit.Meath s best work came from kickouts.If Fenton was there Id worry about the final tally.One other thing id disagree with you on though is McGarry.I think he s a great worker even if he wont give the scoreboard operator too much work.I think Cian Murphy is a super all energetic player and like the cut of McGinniss too."
I thin people have been very harsh on the Meath performance myself, i thought they were game and to be honest won the middle and most of the 50/50 ball. they were more tenacious then Dublin and up for it, i thought he score flattered us and to be honest, the goals changed the game and we had a deeper panel and ran the legs of them in the last quarter. so for me was the goals, panel depth and we have deeper quality. But i thought Meath did their best and id commend them for that and the performance.

McGarry is a good worker alright, but i think you need then more that, i think you need that extra bit of quality and be able to do it when the squeeze comes on - I'm not sure he does that enough for me, id see someone like McGinnis having a higher ceiling. Not slating the lad but the bar is very high for nailing down a slot and i think he does well when we are doing well, but can loose composure when under pressure and cant drag a game by the scruff either - id be surprised if he's there starting come July. But we prob would have said the same thing about Collie B this time lats year - so I'm open minded.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4465 - 16/04/2024 14:32:00    2538351

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Replying To TheUsername:  "I thin people have been very harsh on the Meath performance myself, i thought they were game and to be honest won the middle and most of the 50/50 ball. they were more tenacious then Dublin and up for it, i thought he score flattered us and to be honest, the goals changed the game and we had a deeper panel and ran the legs of them in the last quarter. so for me was the goals, panel depth and we have deeper quality. But i thought Meath did their best and id commend them for that and the performance.

McGarry is a good worker alright, but i think you need then more that, i think you need that extra bit of quality and be able to do it when the squeeze comes on - I'm not sure he does that enough for me, id see someone like McGinnis having a higher ceiling. Not slating the lad but the bar is very high for nailing down a slot and i think he does well when we are doing well, but can loose composure when under pressure and cant drag a game by the scruff either - id be surprised if he's there starting come July. But we prob would have said the same thing about Collie B this time lats year - so I'm open minded."
Can you really win the middle, and most of the 50 /50 ball, and still lose by 16 points?
How bad must the meath forwards be in that case?

And if they were more tenacious that's only because the dubs knew they'd win without leaving first gear. They could probably have won by 30 points if they wanted to.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 16/04/2024 17:21:34    2538383

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Replying To Galway9801:  "Can you really win the middle, and most of the 50 /50 ball, and still lose by 16 points?
How bad must the meath forwards be in that case?

And if they were more tenacious that's only because the dubs knew they'd win without leaving first gear. They could probably have won by 30 points if they wanted to."
I am not sure COR knows his best team yet tbh. Also, Shane Walsh was out injured.

Meath have some very good players in that team, and a couple of the subs were actually better than some of the starters.

Also, 2 of their best players had off days. It happens.

They have a few weeks now and I expect them to improve as the season goes on.

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3975 - 16/04/2024 18:02:22    2538390

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Replying To TheUsername:  "I thin people have been very harsh on the Meath performance myself, i thought they were game and to be honest won the middle and most of the 50/50 ball. they were more tenacious then Dublin and up for it, i thought he score flattered us and to be honest, the goals changed the game and we had a deeper panel and ran the legs of them in the last quarter. so for me was the goals, panel depth and we have deeper quality. But i thought Meath did their best and id commend them for that and the performance.

McGarry is a good worker alright, but i think you need then more that, i think you need that extra bit of quality and be able to do it when the squeeze comes on - I'm not sure he does that enough for me, id see someone like McGinnis having a higher ceiling. Not slating the lad but the bar is very high for nailing down a slot and i think he does well when we are doing well, but can loose composure when under pressure and cant drag a game by the scruff either - id be surprised if he's there starting come July. But we prob would have said the same thing about Collie B this time lats year - so I'm open minded."
Ah I dunno Usee.Meath were ok in first half but the facts are that Cluxton had a bad day with the kickouts and Fenton was missing.Now that does nt happen too often and they were still hammered and Dublin were nt in top form either.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3844 - 16/04/2024 18:46:00    2538403

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Just a quick post regarding the Red Card for Fenton v Derry in the League Final.

Firstly, I, like many others, did not believe it warranted a straight Red card.

Secondly, I couldn't believe his appeal was unsuccessful.

I feel sorry for him tbh. A very clean player who was proud never to have been Red Carded before.

https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2024/0416/1443890-fenton-i-was-proud-of-never-having-been-red-carded/

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3975 - 17/04/2024 08:00:25    2538489

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Replying To Fionn:  "Just a quick post regarding the Red Card for Fenton v Derry in the League Final.

Firstly, I, like many others, did not believe it warranted a straight Red card.

Secondly, I couldn't believe his appeal was unsuccessful.

I feel sorry for him tbh. A very clean player who was proud never to have been Red Carded before.

https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2024/0416/1443890-fenton-i-was-proud-of-never-having-been-red-carded/"
When I saw the incident at first I did think it was a straight red and I noticed the ref did nt see it so he consulted with linesman who tbf had nt the benefit of action replay and judged on what he first saw.However after seeing it on action replay I realised it was NOT a red card.It was a push (a yellow card imo).The appeal i would imagine was turned down as Fenton ran after the player and it might look like an attempt to strike(which is red) .It was probably hard to make a clear decision but they should look at the hard evidence that it WAS Nt a strike (just a push) and Fenton should have got the benefit of doubt.Ive been watching Fenton closely since 2015 and he is one of the cleanest midfielders to ever play.Im sorry to hear he was proud to have never been red carded but he can hold his head up high as its the wrong decision.Fenton is a great example to all gaa players.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3844 - 17/04/2024 10:50:06    2538531

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "When I saw the incident at first I did think it was a straight red and I noticed the ref did nt see it so he consulted with linesman who tbf had nt the benefit of action replay and judged on what he first saw.However after seeing it on action replay I realised it was NOT a red card.It was a push (a yellow card imo).The appeal i would imagine was turned down as Fenton ran after the player and it might look like an attempt to strike(which is red) .It was probably hard to make a clear decision but they should look at the hard evidence that it WAS Nt a strike (just a push) and Fenton should have got the benefit of doubt.Ive been watching Fenton closely since 2015 and he is one of the cleanest midfielders to ever play.Im sorry to hear he was proud to have never been red carded but he can hold his head up high as its the wrong decision.Fenton is a great example to all gaa players."
Agreed. He was very unlucky to get a red for that. The ironic thing being plenty players have had fully deserved red cards rescinded on appeal due to all kinds of technicalities and loopholes.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2187 - 17/04/2024 11:42:32    2538552

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "When I saw the incident at first I did think it was a straight red and I noticed the ref did nt see it so he consulted with linesman who tbf had nt the benefit of action replay and judged on what he first saw.However after seeing it on action replay I realised it was NOT a red card.It was a push (a yellow card imo).The appeal i would imagine was turned down as Fenton ran after the player and it might look like an attempt to strike(which is red) .It was probably hard to make a clear decision but they should look at the hard evidence that it WAS Nt a strike (just a push) and Fenton should have got the benefit of doubt.Ive been watching Fenton closely since 2015 and he is one of the cleanest midfielders to ever play.Im sorry to hear he was proud to have never been red carded but he can hold his head up high as its the wrong decision.Fenton is a great example to all gaa players."
Fenton had an unblemished record and it was a pity he got sent off. It was more of a push than a strike but the fact that it was head high made it look worse than it actually was. A push should only be a yellow card, although I recall Brian McGuigan getting sent off for giving a Kerry player a hefty push in the back in a qualifier game in Killarney some years ago. Fenton can certainly count himself unlucky and it's of no consolation to him that players have been sent off and suspended for less.

midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 583 - 17/04/2024 12:01:06    2538560

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Replying To Fionn:  "Just a quick post regarding the Red Card for Fenton v Derry in the League Final.

Firstly, I, like many others, did not believe it warranted a straight Red card.

Secondly, I couldn't believe his appeal was unsuccessful.

I feel sorry for him tbh. A very clean player who was proud never to have been Red Carded before.

https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2024/0416/1443890-fenton-i-was-proud-of-never-having-been-red-carded/"
Agreed he's a very clean player and a perfect role model for any young kid, but when you lash out the way he did - you give the referee an opportunity to send you off. Referees don't have the benefit of replays at the time to help them, and in real time you could see absolutely why the ref gave the red.

I'm sort of glad the appeal was denied because the GAA have set a precedence recently where every single red card seems to get rescinded, and it just defeats the purpose of a red card in the first place.

With Fenton, it was definitely harsh but objectively you couldn't say it was 100% the wrong decision to send him off. Some think it was a red, some don't. Red cards should only be rescinded if the referee got it 100% wrong, or sent off the wrong person etc..

hyperache (Meath) - Posts: 251 - 17/04/2024 13:41:28    2538602

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Replying To hyperache:  "Agreed he's a very clean player and a perfect role model for any young kid, but when you lash out the way he did - you give the referee an opportunity to send you off. Referees don't have the benefit of replays at the time to help them, and in real time you could see absolutely why the ref gave the red.

I'm sort of glad the appeal was denied because the GAA have set a precedence recently where every single red card seems to get rescinded, and it just defeats the purpose of a red card in the first place.

With Fenton, it was definitely harsh but objectively you couldn't say it was 100% the wrong decision to send him off. Some think it was a red, some don't. Red cards should only be rescinded if the referee got it 100% wrong, or sent off the wrong person etc.."
"Lash out" the way he did, I don't think that is a fair description of what happened. Yes referees don't have replays so no blame to the referee but if the decision is subsequently shown to be wrong, no strike (except by the Derry player) and no attempted strike then it should be rescinded. The Derry player holding his face and playing dead was no credit to him.

sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 793 - 17/04/2024 17:25:09    2538673

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Better to move on. There were lots of worse hits on both sides but lads pretending they've been punched in the head does work sometimes in making the ref's mind up. It didn't effect the result so I wouldn't even have appealed it to make a point.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3118 - 17/04/2024 17:50:02    2538681

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Better to move on. There were lots of worse hits on both sides but lads pretending they've been punched in the head does work sometimes in making the ref's mind up. It didn't effect the result so I wouldn't even have appealed it to make a point."
Well let's hope the GAA stick to their guns now and not let players, who are sent off for much worse, off on a technicality this year.....

This was a Red that should have been successfully overturned. GAA clearly laying down a marker - they better stick to it now.

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3975 - 18/04/2024 08:49:02    2538766

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Better to move on. There were lots of worse hits on both sides but lads pretending they've been punched in the head does work sometimes in making the ref's mind up. It didn't effect the result so I wouldn't even have appealed it to make a point."
Fenton was silly to run after the Derry player in the first place… not something I have seen him do before… He should have been smart and waited his chance and not be so obvious about it… The red was deserved and the ball should have been thrown up instead of giving Dublin the fee in further up the field… poor referring again

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3025 - 18/04/2024 10:12:29    2538775

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