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Nice to read an intelligent post.. Fair play, judging by some of the nonsense out there you'd swear Limerick bought half our players in a transfer market.. We have a gifted bunch that are hugely successful and we all know it won't last, that's why we're going to enjoy it while it does. skillet (Limerick) - Posts: 1106 - 14/12/2021 10:41:54 2392787 Link 1 |
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Obviously RTE figured that only one team contributed to the All Ireland! Notwithstanding the fact, that it is easier to play well on a winning team , the All Stars is a meaningless token exercise, and should be viewed as such. It gives some cocky supporters the opportunity to brag and otherwise lighten up their dull lives! Jack O' Connor for his speed and artistry during the campaign should have been rewarded but that's the way it is! Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 14/12/2021 11:19:49 2392792 Link 0 |
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The teams you mention are more teams that are covered by the "etc etc" at the end of my list Cockney Cat. If you look back over the years Kilkenny have had numerous teams that have dominated for a time. As have Cork and Tipp. Wexford won 2 in the 60s. Galway had a great team in the 80s that might have won more than they did. Limerick have a great team at the moment. Which is the point I was making in the 1st place. What all those teams have in common is that they werent great purely on account of money.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15507 - 14/12/2021 12:06:49 2392796 Link 1 |
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Well when you consider that both '40 and '60 are in fact the last years of the '30s and fifties respectively, then Limerick won 3 in the thirties and Wexford won three in the fifties.
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4490 - 15/12/2021 10:06:33 2392862 Link 0 |
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Tipp actually won three in what would be properly regarded as the 40s, but only two in the fifties.
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4490 - 15/12/2021 10:08:23 2392863 Link 0 |
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Dead right Viking. Wexford in the 50s, Limerick in the thirties, and Galway in the 80s had great teams before sponsorship was ever part of the game. Mick Mackey was once interviewed about the Limerick team he played with. He explained their emergence as been due to the fact that 'a great crop of players came together'. The same thing has repeated itself. The fact is all McManus's money - never mind a miniscule part of it- could not make Peter Casey, Declan Hannon, Finn, Nash, Gillane, Lynch and the Morrisseys, among others on that team, the brilliant and hugely versatile players that they are and those who make a big deal of it, ignore the fact that every county have huge sponsorship now, as well. In passing, despite the fact that Cockney Cat tries to belittle the achievements of the Limerick team of Mackey's era, the fact is they won 5 Leagues in a row,- a feat never repeated- won an All Ireland very convincingly straight after returning from an American trip, something not achieved by anyone else for years after, and won four Munster Titles in a row, in a decade when all five Munster counties contested at least one All Ireland Final. From the All Ireland final in 33 to the Munster Final in 1937 they lost won game, and that by a single point, in all the games they played. Kilkenny did win four All Irelands in that decade, but since only a Dublin a team full of outsiders, was any good, apart from them, in Leinster in them years it puts those wins in prospective. They also won those four finals by an average of two points whereas Limerick beat Kilkenny by thirteen points in '36 and six in '40, much more convincing wins than any of KKs four
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4490 - 15/12/2021 10:39:11 2392867 Link 0 |
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I take your point one 100%, but it has always been the same with the All Stars. In 2010 when Aidan Walsh got an All Star before John Galvin, who was easily the best midfielder in Ireland on the basis of his displays against both Cork and Kerry alone that year, it had even then become a joke.
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4490 - 15/12/2021 10:44:37 2392870 Link 0 |
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Thought Tipp won in 50' 51 and 58
seventyniner (Galway) - Posts: 41 - 15/12/2021 10:59:32 2392875 Link 1 |
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You're stirring up a hornets nest. Yes, strictly speaking I agree with you if you are talking about decades. The first year of the decade of the '40s' is 1941 and the last is 1950. But, it's a moot point. Others will argue differently. So, in addition to your correction, it can also be said that Wexford won 3 All-Irelands in the 1950s (1955, 1956 & 1960). The following is from Wikipedia (the characters in bold is my doing): Those holding that the arrival of the new millennium should be celebrated in the transition from 2000 to 2001 (i.e., December 31, 2000, to January 1, 2001) argued that the Anno Domini system of counting years began with the year 1 (There was no year zero) and therefore the first millennium was from the year 1 to the end of the year 1000, the second millennium from 1001 to the end of 2000, and the third millennium beginning with 2001 and ending at the end of 3000. Popular culture supported celebrating the arrival of the new millennium in the transition from 1999 to 2000 (i.e., December 31, 1999, to January 1, 2000), in that the change of the hundreds digit in the year number, with the zeroes rolling over, is consistent with the vernacular demarcation of decades by their 'tens' digit (e.g. naming the period 1980 to 1989 as "the 1980s" or "the eighties"). This sometimes referred to as "the odometer effect". Adding to its cultural significance, the "year 2000" had been a popular phrase referring to an often utopian future, or a year when stories in such a future were set. There was also media and public interest in the Y2K computer bug. Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2732 - 15/12/2021 11:37:18 2392884 Link 0 |
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Thought Tipp won in 50' 51 and 58"]Note. 1950 is actually the last year of the Nineteen Forties. The new decade started on the 1st of January 1951.
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4490 - 15/12/2021 11:42:12 2392885 Link 0 |
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Dead right Viking. Wexford in the 50s, Limerick in the thirties, and Galway in the 80s had great teams before sponsorship was ever part of the game. Mick Mackey was once interviewed about the Limerick team he played with. He explained their emergence as been due to the fact that 'a great crop of players came together'. The same thing has repeated itself. The fact is all McManus's money - never mind a miniscule part of it- could not make Peter Casey, Declan Hannon, Finn, Nash, Gillane, Lynch and the Morrisseys, among others on that team, the brilliant and hugely versatile players that they are and those who make a big deal of it, ignore the fact that every county have huge sponsorship now, as well. In passing, despite the fact that Cockney Cat tries to belittle the achievements of the Limerick team of Mackey's era, the fact is they won 5 Leagues in a row,- a feat never repeated- won an All Ireland very convincingly straight after returning from an American trip, something not achieved by anyone else for years after, and won four Munster Titles in a row, in a decade when all five Munster counties contested at least one All Ireland Final. From the All Ireland final in 33 to the Munster Final in 1937 they lost won game, and that by a single point, in all the games they played. Kilkenny did win four All Irelands in that decade, but since only a Dublin a team full of outsiders, was any good, apart from them, in Leinster in them years it puts those wins in prospective. They also won those four finals by an average of two points whereas Limerick beat Kilkenny by thirteen points in '36 and six in '40, much more convincing wins than any of KKs four"]" In passing, despite the fact that Cockney Cat tries to belittle the achievements of the Limerick team of Mackey's era," Nonsense, I said nothing about Limerick, let alone belittle them.
Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2732 - 15/12/2021 11:59:44 2392891 Link 0 |
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@Oldtourman - Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2833 - 15/12/2021 12:08:24 2392895 Link 0 |
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Mistakes have been made definitely but to say that the All Stars are a joke and irrelevant as other posters have said is not correct IMO. Players love the All Stars met a Limerick hurler who was awarded one a little bit before Lk became the force they are now & you could tell he was delighted to be congratulated . As far as i am concerned it should be considered a massive honour to get one very few things in life are perfect and the selection committee makes mistakes but id say same is true World Rugby or European Team of year all not everyone will agree with the Soccer selections either. its really a matter of opinion I know John Galvin was an excellent footballer but so was Gary Brennan of Clare never got one either With Cork contesting the Final and getting no one on Team maybe distorts the situation Jack O Connor Very unlucky all right Limerick are at the pinnacle of their career right now & they hard to dethrone next year as well maybe Galway with Henry at the helm. clooney (Clare) - Posts: 982 - 15/12/2021 12:18:24 2392899 Link 1 |
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Dead right Viking. Wexford in the 50s, Limerick in the thirties, and Galway in the 80s had great teams before sponsorship was ever part of the game. Mick Mackey was once interviewed about the Limerick team he played with. He explained their emergence as been due to the fact that 'a great crop of players came together'. The same thing has repeated itself. The fact is all McManus's money - never mind a miniscule part of it- could not make Peter Casey, Declan Hannon, Finn, Nash, Gillane, Lynch and the Morrisseys, among others on that team, the brilliant and hugely versatile players that they are and those who make a big deal of it, ignore the fact that every county have huge sponsorship now, as well. In passing, despite the fact that Cockney Cat tries to belittle the achievements of the Limerick team of Mackey's era, the fact is they won 5 Leagues in a row,- a feat never repeated- won an All Ireland very convincingly straight after returning from an American trip, something not achieved by anyone else for years after, and won four Munster Titles in a row, in a decade when all five Munster counties contested at least one All Ireland Final. From the All Ireland final in 33 to the Munster Final in 1937 they lost won game, and that by a single point, in all the games they played. Kilkenny did win four All Irelands in that decade, but since only a Dublin a team full of outsiders, was any good, apart from them, in Leinster in them years it puts those wins in prospective. They also won those four finals by an average of two points whereas Limerick beat Kilkenny by thirteen points in '36 and six in '40, much more convincing wins than any of KKs four"]" In passing, despite the fact that Cockney Cat tries to belittle the achievements of the Limerick team of Mackey's era," Nonsense, I said nothing about Limerick, let alone belittle them."]You deprived them of an All Ireland in the thirties and bigged up KKs achievements in that decade in comparison to Limericks.
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4490 - 15/12/2021 13:05:23 2392908 Link 0 |
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Thanks Pikemen, I do pedantic very well. I am glad to see that, as Joe Higgins said to Bertie one time, 'there are two of us in it'
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4490 - 15/12/2021 13:07:36 2392909 Link 1 |
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It's an honour for anyone winning one for sure. But at the end of the day every year there will always be debate over who didnt get 1 but should have. While it's not a joke, and it's an honour for any player getting one, in the greater scheme of things it's not as "earned" as a Championship medal, which is earned on the field of play not in a discussion between "experts", or players personal opinions.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15507 - 15/12/2021 13:10:49 2392912 Link 0 |
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But did the top dog ever care? I do not agree that money alone made either Dublin or Limerick. JP has been sponsoring Limerick for the past twenty years, how come they won nothing until a few years ago. As regards Dublin, they had a pick of well over a million people, for all of the history of the GAA and yet from 1923 to 2011 they only had one great team. The fact is both teams have thrown up a brilliant pool of players in the last ten years and that is the main reason for their successes.
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4490 - 15/12/2021 13:15:49 2392915 Link 1 |
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Dublin had a great team, a generational team they wont have again in decades, throughout the teenies. And tbh while Mayo had a good team at the same time the standard in the rest of the counties dipped during that decade also. Neither of which has anything to do with money or Bertie Ahern.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15507 - 15/12/2021 13:52:25 2392922 Link 0 |
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Dead right Viking. Wexford in the 50s, Limerick in the thirties, and Galway in the 80s had great teams before sponsorship was ever part of the game. Mick Mackey was once interviewed about the Limerick team he played with. He explained their emergence as been due to the fact that 'a great crop of players came together'. The same thing has repeated itself. The fact is all McManus's money - never mind a miniscule part of it- could not make Peter Casey, Declan Hannon, Finn, Nash, Gillane, Lynch and the Morrisseys, among others on that team, the brilliant and hugely versatile players that they are and those who make a big deal of it, ignore the fact that every county have huge sponsorship now, as well. In passing, despite the fact that Cockney Cat tries to belittle the achievements of the Limerick team of Mackey's era, the fact is they won 5 Leagues in a row,- a feat never repeated- won an All Ireland very convincingly straight after returning from an American trip, something not achieved by anyone else for years after, and won four Munster Titles in a row, in a decade when all five Munster counties contested at least one All Ireland Final. From the All Ireland final in 33 to the Munster Final in 1937 they lost won game, and that by a single point, in all the games they played. Kilkenny did win four All Irelands in that decade, but since only a Dublin a team full of outsiders, was any good, apart from them, in Leinster in them years it puts those wins in prospective. They also won those four finals by an average of two points whereas Limerick beat Kilkenny by thirteen points in '36 and six in '40, much more convincing wins than any of KKs four"]" In passing, despite the fact that Cockney Cat tries to belittle the achievements of the Limerick team of Mackey's era," Nonsense, I said nothing about Limerick, let alone belittle them."]You deprived them of an All Ireland in the thirties and bigged up KKs achievements in that decade in comparison to Limericks."]Deprived them of an All-Ireland? More nonsense. I have no need to big up KKs achievements in the 1930s, they speak for themselves. 8 All-Ireland Finals, won 4. Three Kilkenny players from that decade (Paddy Phelan, Lory Meagher & Jim Langton) were voted on to Hurling Team of the Millennium. Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2732 - 15/12/2021 13:55:26 2392924 Link 0 |
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Money alone never wins anything, we all know that. Naturally skilful players won't win 6 All Irelands in a row for a team either unless they get proper coaching, training and backup. Skilful players and the best use of resources combined usually bring success. In the western world money is used to buy or gain resources and facilities e.g top training facilities, top managers, coaches, huge backroom teams of statisticians, nutritionists, psychologists etc etc. There is nothing amateurish about the GAA at inter county level - it's not a level playing field - the onus is on the GAA to ensure that funding be distributed equally and fairly to each county and if it's an amateur game, as claimed, to disqualify professional involvement across the board. I wouldn't take anything away from either Limerick or Dublin. Limerick have wonderful hurlers and likewise Dublin in the football but don't fool yourself into thinking that their huge dominance at present is solely down to a panel of skilful of players arriving on the scene - the seeds of their success were not sown in the last 10 years - life is never that simple! Anyway I'm out of here Oldtourman. A happy and healthy Christmas to all in Limerick and in every other county! Nollaig faoi shéan is faoi mhaise dhaoibh!. baire (Galway) - Posts: 1849 - 15/12/2021 14:43:07 2392929 Link 0 |