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Replying To Oldtourman:  "But is that really your message. Are you on Dublin, Kerry and Cork boards, etc, complaining about the undoubted advantages they enjoy and have enjoyed for most of the past hundred years. Or is it that you cannot bear to see a relatively small hurling county with about half the number of hurlers of yours ending up with twice the titles."
I call it as I see it Oldtourman, take it or leave it. Many more people have been saying the same about the GAA for years. I certainly have voiced my disapproval of the way Bertie Ahern secured separate funding for Dublin GAA and we all know what that extra funding and resources has done to the Leinster football championship and to gaelic football in general. The Dubs' response here was very similar to your's now. The top dog doesn't care if the system is unfair as long as it's on top, it's human nature I suppose and unfortunately the nature of our society.

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1849 - 10/12/2021 18:48:02    2392343

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In 2012 KK won the all Ireland and got 5 allstars the beaten team Galway got 6 allstars.

Newyorkkat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 157 - 10/12/2021 19:20:08    2392346

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Football all stars just as bad . A pure farce. Let's just give an all star with the AI medal going forward because that's the way its heading.

anotheralias (Galway) - Posts: 981 - 10/12/2021 21:36:58    2392359

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Replying To Shocs07:  "Thanks Baire! You should realise by now that we're all 6 foot down this way, no meneens present"
It may shock you but I was referring to your good self and obviously not to the McManus Monsters!

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1849 - 11/12/2021 10:22:45    2392370

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How are the football All Stars a farce? Who didn't deserve one?

Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 2131 - 11/12/2021 10:51:55    2392372

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Replying To Claretandblue:  "How are the football All Stars a farce? Who didn't deserve one?"
Stop right there. This is a hurling all stars topic. If you want to discuss the football all stars, set up a new topic.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2730 - 11/12/2021 11:43:23    2392379

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Replying To Newyorkkat:  "In 2012 KK won the all Ireland and got 5 allstars the beaten team Galway got 6 allstars."
But you've put that behind you now :-)

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3461 - 11/12/2021 11:44:06    2392380

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Replying To Newyorkkat:  "In 2012 KK won the all Ireland and got 5 allstars the beaten team Galway got 6 allstars."
6+5, just eleven between them; two teams? Oh my! How times have changed!

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2195 - 11/12/2021 15:37:39    2392405

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "But you've put that behind you now :-)"
Put what behind. I was comparing to this year's allstars. 5-6.. 12-0

Newyorkkat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 157 - 11/12/2021 17:05:43    2392419

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Replying To baire:  "Limerick can thank JP for all their all shtars, the poor craytures they're not getting a fair deal at all!
The GAA has long forgotten the grass roots, it has given in to greed, money, commercialism and the lure of multi-billionaires. The bedrock of the GAA was the parish, the club, but there's no money or kudos in that for the top brass. Gareth Brooks and JP McManus are the Stars of the modern era. One Limerick club has won a miserly All-Ireland in over 50 years of that competition, what does that tell us about the organic development of club hurling in the county? Compare its clubs achievements to the county's, esp in recent years, and it shows clearly that money & resources bring success. This has been the case in other counties too in both football and hurling. Does the GAA still claim to be an amateur organisation?

There has been an unbroken history of club hurling in Cork, same as my own county. Cork has produced some wonderfully skilful hurlers over the years, they still do, but to deny the present Cork team any recognition of their players' contribution to this year's championship, not just the All Ireland Final is mean and unsporting imo."
Galway 2nd best financied team in the country according to your own county board so how come Galway isn't the 2nd best team in the country if it's all about money. Get over the bitterness and forget about Limerick and look at Galways own failings.

updwell (Limerick) - Posts: 898 - 11/12/2021 19:41:49    2392457

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Replying To baire:  "It may shock you but I was referring to your good self and obviously not to the McManus Monsters!"
At least you have a shake of sense

Shocs07 (Limerick) - Posts: 374 - 11/12/2021 19:55:13    2392462

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "Stop right there. This is a hurling all stars topic. If you want to discuss the football all stars, set up a new topic."
Indeed. There is a separate post about the Football All-stars. Please take yourself and your talk of farce there, and stop contaminating the hurling post.

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2195 - 12/12/2021 08:10:01    2392495

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Replying To Newyorkkat:  "In 2012 KK won the all Ireland and got 5 allstars the beaten team Galway got 6 allstars."
11 between the AI finalists in 2012 and 12 between the AI finalists in 2021- not a big difference. At least in '12 there was a couple of close games in the finals.
Going forward no team will get anywhere near 12 again as the round robin in both province will give more players more exposure and it's impossible to see any team winning all their matches the whole way to AI win and if you lose a match it will automatically raise questions about some players. Limerick won 2 AI in the last year playing 9 matches- it would take 7 next year to win 1, that's a lot of games to have 10/12 players playing at a very high level.

updwell (Limerick) - Posts: 898 - 12/12/2021 11:25:36    2392521

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Replying To Newyorkkat:  "In 2012 KK won the all Ireland and got 5 allstars the beaten team Galway got 6 allstars."
And in 1973 Kilkenny got seven and the winners Limerick got five and two of their best and most pivotal men in that Final- Joe McKenna and Eamon Cregan- were overlooked

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4490 - 12/12/2021 20:25:09    2392613

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Replying To updwell:  "11 between the AI finalists in 2012 and 12 between the AI finalists in 2021- not a big difference. At least in '12 there was a couple of close games in the finals.
Going forward no team will get anywhere near 12 again as the round robin in both province will give more players more exposure and it's impossible to see any team winning all their matches the whole way to AI win and if you lose a match it will automatically raise questions about some players. Limerick won 2 AI in the last year playing 9 matches- it would take 7 next year to win 1, that's a lot of games to have 10/12 players playing at a very high level."
Well the two All Ireland Finalists had 12 between them this year- Looks perfectly fair to me.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4490 - 12/12/2021 20:28:17    2392614

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Well the two All Ireland Finalists had 12 between them this year- Looks perfectly fair to me."
Great win by Kilmallock yesterday. Very impressive. Very limerickesq performance I thought. They now have Paddy O'Loughlin, Phelim O'Reilly & Jake Mul back training. Kilmallock are great rivals of ours but I hope they beat Ballygunner. I didn't like the antics to get the two McGraths sent off.

Seeking_silver (Limerick) - Posts: 411 - 13/12/2021 08:55:29    2392632

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Replying To Seeking_silver:  "Great win by Kilmallock yesterday. Very impressive. Very limerickesq performance I thought. They now have Paddy O'Loughlin, Phelim O'Reilly & Jake Mul back training. Kilmallock are great rivals of ours but I hope they beat Ballygunner. I didn't like the antics to get the two McGraths sent off."
Kilmallock the much better team,should have won by more,when Oisin O'Reilly learns to compose himself a bit before shooting he will get a lot of scores.A few Kilmallock lads shooting nonchalantly in the second half and driving wide or into the keeper.That won't be good enough against Ballygunner.

ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 873 - 13/12/2021 19:38:13    2392741

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Replying To baire:  "I call it as I see it Oldtourman, take it or leave it. Many more people have been saying the same about the GAA for years. I certainly have voiced my disapproval of the way Bertie Ahern secured separate funding for Dublin GAA and we all know what that extra funding and resources has done to the Leinster football championship and to gaelic football in general. The Dubs' response here was very similar to your's now. The top dog doesn't care if the system is unfair as long as it's on top, it's human nature I suppose and unfortunately the nature of our society."
I remember getting into hurling in the 90s. It was a golden age for the sport and many different counties got to hang out with Liam for a year or 2. Then in the mid noughties one county got a particularly good set of players, at the same time. And won everything. Like many other counties over the years. Limerick in the 30s, Cork in the 40s, Wexford in the 50s, Tipp in the 60s, Kilkenny and Cork in the 70s etc etc. Class players are class players. I'm not saying money is completely irrelevant but it wont by itself make you win any competition where you cant sign players to fill positions of need. Like hurling. You can spend alot of money and buy all the brasso you want and start polishing a turd with it but at the end of the day it will still be a turd.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15490 - 14/12/2021 09:41:05    2392773

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Replying To baire:  "Since you fancy yourself as a history buff let me ask you a few simple questions.
When Michael Cusack travelled the country in 1883 to learn about the state of hurling in Ireland, where did he say hurling was strongest?
Where in Munster was it still played?
Why did he want to set up headquarters in Loughrea, County Galway?
Have you read, Scéal na hIomána?"
Still played in Cork, Wexford and Antrim too

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15490 - 14/12/2021 09:43:34    2392774

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Replying To Viking66:  "I remember getting into hurling in the 90s. It was a golden age for the sport and many different counties got to hang out with Liam for a year or 2. Then in the mid noughties one county got a particularly good set of players, at the same time. And won everything. Like many other counties over the years. Limerick in the 30s, Cork in the 40s, Wexford in the 50s, Tipp in the 60s, Kilkenny and Cork in the 70s etc etc. Class players are class players. I'm not saying money is completely irrelevant but it wont by itself make you win any competition where you cant sign players to fill positions of need. Like hurling. You can spend alot of money and buy all the brasso you want and start polishing a turd with it but at the end of the day it will still be a turd."
"And won everything. Like many other counties over the years. Limerick in the 30s, Cork in the 40s, Wexford in the 50s, Tipp in the 60s, Kilkenny and Cork in the 70s"

Kilkenny won 4 All-Irelands in the 1930's, Tipperary won 2, Limerick won 2.

Cork won 3 AIs in the 1950s, Tipperary won 3, Wexford won 2.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2730 - 14/12/2021 10:27:29    2392784

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