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All I'll say here is that for all the people saying it's a farce that Limerick got so many awards, I don't see too many answering the question about who else should have got one instead, and which Limerick man should make way for him.

I wouldn't have expected 12 awards for one county myself, but honestly, it's hard to pick real holes in any of them and make a strong enough case for somebody else instead.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2833 - 10/12/2021 09:41:51    2392261

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Replying To baire:  "Limerick can thank JP for all their all shtars, the poor craytures they're not getting a fair deal at all!
The GAA has long forgotten the grass roots, it has given in to greed, money, commercialism and the lure of multi-billionaires. The bedrock of the GAA was the parish, the club, but there's no money or kudos in that for the top brass. Gareth Brooks and JP McManus are the Stars of the modern era. One Limerick club has won a miserly All-Ireland in over 50 years of that competition, what does that tell us about the organic development of club hurling in the county? Compare its clubs achievements to the county's, esp in recent years, and it shows clearly that money & resources bring success. This has been the case in other counties too in both football and hurling. Does the GAA still claim to be an amateur organisation?

There has been an unbroken history of club hurling in Cork, same as my own county. Cork has produced some wonderfully skilful hurlers over the years, they still do, but to deny the present Cork team any recognition of their players' contribution to this year's championship, not just the All Ireland Final is mean and unsporting imo."
Not too sure what point you're trying to make..
Are you having a go at the GAA?
The All Stars selection?
Limerick club hurling?
JP McManus, (a life long club member incidentally)

You draw a comparison with Limerick club hurling and our county success as if they're somehow not compatible, ignoring the fact that the last decade has seen considerable success for Limerick clubs in Munster, feeding into a self belief and realisation that we can compete at the highest level with other counties, which transfered across to the county scene.

"There has been an unbroken history of club hurling in Cork, same as my own county"

What has that to do with anything??
There's been an unbroken history of Club hurling going back 120 yrs in Limerick also.. The great Ahane team of the 30s were the bedrock of our all winning teams of that era.

Why have Galway underperformed so consistently at intercounty level considering the great club teams you have produced? That's a question worth asking instead of getting worked up about JPs money, which incidentally was spent wisely on underage structure, feeding into producing players like Seamus Flanagan and Kyle Hayes, both players from small clubs that wouldn't have got a look in 30 yrs ago ..

skillet (Limerick) - Posts: 1106 - 10/12/2021 10:51:10    2392268

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Skillet I'd take no notice of any of that..jealousy is an awful thing..let them all get their own house in order before complaining about limerick..

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2499 - 10/12/2021 11:04:33    2392271

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I've no particular complaints about the team chosen (or not much interest either) but it seems that the league is completely irrelevant altogether now when it comes to assessing a player's chances of a nomination or an award.

CmonAymonow (Laois) - Posts: 160 - 10/12/2021 11:36:44    2392278

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Replying To CTGAA10:  "Skillet I'd take no notice of any of that..jealousy is an awful thing..let them all get their own house in order before complaining about limerick.."
You're right I suppose..a lot like another Bitter Galway poster, best ignored.
More than likely he won't answer those questions because they don't fit his narrative.

skillet (Limerick) - Posts: 1106 - 10/12/2021 11:58:33    2392284

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Replying To baire:  "Limerick can thank JP for all their all shtars, the poor craytures they're not getting a fair deal at all!
The GAA has long forgotten the grass roots, it has given in to greed, money, commercialism and the lure of multi-billionaires. The bedrock of the GAA was the parish, the club, but there's no money or kudos in that for the top brass. Gareth Brooks and JP McManus are the Stars of the modern era. One Limerick club has won a miserly All-Ireland in over 50 years of that competition, what does that tell us about the organic development of club hurling in the county? Compare its clubs achievements to the county's, esp in recent years, and it shows clearly that money & resources bring success. This has been the case in other counties too in both football and hurling. Does the GAA still claim to be an amateur organisation?

There has been an unbroken history of club hurling in Cork, same as my own county. Cork has produced some wonderfully skilful hurlers over the years, they still do, but to deny the present Cork team any recognition of their players' contribution to this year's championship, not just the All Ireland Final is mean and unsporting imo."
Ah Baire, take it handy. It's nearly Christmas.

Shocs07 (Limerick) - Posts: 374 - 10/12/2021 13:03:03    2392295

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Not to take away from Limerick getting more all stars in one team selection ever, the players are outstanding players and deserve their awards. That aside, like alot of other parts of the GAA, the all stars lost their purpose a long time ago. They were initially brought in to reward outstanding individual players including players with less fashionable and successful teams but now it is confined to the elite few. How many players got an award in recent years who didn't really deserve it but was on a successful team? This appears to be a common trend with a large part of the GAA these days. Intercounty scene is becoming confined to a select few who have massive financial backing, the rest are cut adrift. It is interesting to note that no one in the media is calling for Limerick to be split in half, seen as they are just as dominant now as Dublin were previously. By the way I don't subscribe to any county regardless of how successful they are being split.

wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 2092 - 10/12/2021 13:03:30    2392296

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Replying To skillet:  "You're right I suppose..a lot like another Bitter Galway poster, best ignored.
More than likely he won't answer those questions because they don't fit his narrative."
Typical response, don't address the message but attack the messenger!
My main message is about the GAA as an organisation and its so called amateur status. The GAA has been playing a game of deception for years, claiming to be an amateur organisation when in fact the opposite is true. I'll say no more.

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1849 - 10/12/2021 13:50:03    2392300

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Replying To Shocs07:  "Ah Baire, take it handy. It's nearly Christmas."
And a Happy Christmas to you too Shocs! Good maneen yourself, you're a star if not an all-star! ;

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1849 - 10/12/2021 13:53:40    2392302

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  ""When Dublin were in their prime they were pushed all the way in their finals esp against mayo that's why they never dominated the all stars like this limerick team have this yeat. Cork never laid a glove on this team last August."

The Kilkenny '4 in row' team' (2006 to 2009) well beat every team in 2007, 2008 and 2009.
In 2007 they thrashed every team they played, the lowest margin of winning was by 10 points, yet they got only 6 All Stars.
The following years they got 9 in 2008 and 6 in 2009."
No- that was not the lowest winning margin in 07- They beat Limerick by seven points after being up nine points after nine minutes. Hardly as convincing as Limerick were this year.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4490 - 10/12/2021 13:56:26    2392303

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "No- that was not the lowest winning margin in 07- They beat Limerick by seven points after being up nine points after nine minutes. Hardly as convincing as Limerick were this year."
Convincing! Who needs to be convinced about your present superiority? Haven't ye got the medals and All Stars to prove it, do ye want us to genuflect as well! :)

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1849 - 10/12/2021 14:06:01    2392306

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Replying To baire:  "Convincing! Who needs to be convinced about your present superiority? Haven't ye got the medals and All Stars to prove it, do ye want us to genuflect as well! :)"
Down on both knees now, baire!

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2196 - 10/12/2021 14:21:02    2392307

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Replying To baire:  "Convincing! Who needs to be convinced about your present superiority? Haven't ye got the medals and All Stars to prove it, do ye want us to genuflect as well! :)"
Hurling has never been better than it is now and with the split season the club game will flourish. The standard even at junior level is phenomenal giving all participants the best platform to enjoy the best sport in the world. I don't think the GAA has ever been as prolific as it is now as we see with underage numbers across the country. Its limericks time now as it has been other countys over the years. Kk set the bar the rest followed giving us some of the greatest matches ever between 09 and 15. Limerick have set the bar even higher now and the rest will indeed follow in the years to come. Let's look forward to it.

daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 1197 - 10/12/2021 14:25:59    2392308

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "No- that was not the lowest winning margin in 07- They beat Limerick by seven points after being up nine points after nine minutes. Hardly as convincing as Limerick were this year."
Yes, I stand corrected. Kilkenny beat Limerick by 7 points. But that was the closest any county got to them. Yet they only got 6 All Stars.

"Hardly as convincing as Limerick were this year" I'd say the Limerick team of 2007 were a far better team (opponents) then the Cork team of 2021.

Anyway, I don't give too much attention to the All Stars, and certainly don't begrudge the 12 Limerick players that won one. They are part of a great team, 3 All-Irelands out of the last 4 years, and could easily have been 4 out of 4.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2732 - 10/12/2021 14:59:41    2392312

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Replying To baire:  "Typical response, don't address the message but attack the messenger!
My main message is about the GAA as an organisation and its so called amateur status. The GAA has been playing a game of deception for years, claiming to be an amateur organisation when in fact the opposite is true. I'll say no more."
But is that really your message. Are you on Dublin, Kerry and Cork boards, etc, complaining about the undoubted advantages they enjoy and have enjoyed for most of the past hundred years. Or is it that you cannot bear to see a relatively small hurling county with about half the number of hurlers of yours ending up with twice the titles.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4490 - 10/12/2021 15:03:39    2392314

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Replying To baire:  "Limerick can thank JP for all their all shtars, the poor craytures they're not getting a fair deal at all!
The GAA has long forgotten the grass roots, it has given in to greed, money, commercialism and the lure of multi-billionaires. The bedrock of the GAA was the parish, the club, but there's no money or kudos in that for the top brass. Gareth Brooks and JP McManus are the Stars of the modern era. One Limerick club has won a miserly All-Ireland in over 50 years of that competition, what does that tell us about the organic development of club hurling in the county? Compare its clubs achievements to the county's, esp in recent years, and it shows clearly that money & resources bring success. This has been the case in other counties too in both football and hurling. Does the GAA still claim to be an amateur organisation?

There has been an unbroken history of club hurling in Cork, same as my own county. Cork has produced some wonderfully skilful hurlers over the years, they still do, but to deny the present Cork team any recognition of their players' contribution to this year's championship, not just the All Ireland Final is mean and unsporting imo."
More of your old nonsense. As far back as 1897 Kilfinane beat the Blackrock and Tullaroan, super clubs of the game, on their way to All Ireland glory and you go on as if club hurling only got going in Limerick a few decades ago. Remember Limerick, with a hurling pick about one fifth the size of Cork, has won All Irelands in three different Centuries, something only two other counties have done. Never talk down to Munster men about hurling tradition for every county in our province had achieved ultimate honours long before your county did, with all your great clubs.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4490 - 10/12/2021 15:15:51    2392316

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Congratulations to limerick on their 12 all star awards, its a bit strange that Cork got none though.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 10/12/2021 15:18:01    2392318

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "Yes, I stand corrected. Kilkenny beat Limerick by 7 points. But that was the closest any county got to them. Yet they only got 6 All Stars.

"Hardly as convincing as Limerick were this year" I'd say the Limerick team of 2007 were a far better team (opponents) then the Cork team of 2021.

Anyway, I don't give too much attention to the All Stars, and certainly don't begrudge the 12 Limerick players that won one. They are part of a great team, 3 All-Irelands out of the last 4 years, and could easily have been 4 out of 4."
Thanks Cockney. Will any county ever again win 11 All Ireland Senior Titles in sixteen years. I doubt it-some consistency and some group of players. As I said elsewhere I agree with you about the All Stars. Brilliant players, who soldier long and hard with weaker counties, should be recognised more.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4490 - 10/12/2021 15:36:26    2392325

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "More of your old nonsense. As far back as 1897 Kilfinane beat the Blackrock and Tullaroan, super clubs of the game, on their way to All Ireland glory and you go on as if club hurling only got going in Limerick a few decades ago. Remember Limerick, with a hurling pick about one fifth the size of Cork, has won All Irelands in three different Centuries, something only two other counties have done. Never talk down to Munster men about hurling tradition for every county in our province had achieved ultimate honours long before your county did, with all your great clubs."
Since you fancy yourself as a history buff let me ask you a few simple questions.
When Michael Cusack travelled the country in 1883 to learn about the state of hurling in Ireland, where did he say hurling was strongest?
Where in Munster was it still played?
Why did he want to set up headquarters in Loughrea, County Galway?
Have you read, Scéal na hIomána?

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1849 - 10/12/2021 18:03:08    2392339

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Replying To baire:  "And a Happy Christmas to you too Shocs! Good maneen yourself, you're a star if not an all-star! ;"
Thanks Baire! You should realise by now that we're all 6 foot down this way, no meneens present

Shocs07 (Limerick) - Posts: 374 - 10/12/2021 18:38:33    2392342

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