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Replying To essmac:  "Yeah, big ask to win it 2 years in a row, but in the noughties, after a good year, we'd be shocking poor the following year. Not even competitive. Too much resting on laurels. Remains to be seen whether new managers will at least get a performance out of the team in 22. Previously, we've always seemed to need a year out"
Understandable, in fairness yer lads probably enjoyed the celebrations and winning it sated the hunger for the following year, that Tyrone team of the 00s were deadly when in full flow and I don't think they got enough credit.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 13953 - 29/11/2021 16:21:13    2391138

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Replying To essmac:  "Yeah, big ask to win it 2 years in a row, but in the noughties, after a good year, we'd be shocking poor the following year. Not even competitive. Too much resting on laurels. Remains to be seen whether new managers will at least get a performance out of the team in 22. Previously, we've always seemed to need a year out"
Looking back on the noughties Tyrone's style of play when in full flow was great but maybe evidence shows it took it's toll due to it's intensity and all round running style. I recall Tyrone suffered a lot of injuries in 06 and 09 in particular. Football was much stronger as well particularly Ulster so it was difficult to get through a few rounds not being able to operate at the same levels. Tyrone's current style is different and football wouldn't be as strong so maybe they could keep the same standards and win Ulster again and see what happens beyond that.

sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 856 - 29/11/2021 17:11:37    2391144

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Understandable, in fairness yer lads probably enjoyed the celebrations and winning it sated the hunger for the following year, that Tyrone team of the 00s were deadly when in full flow and I don't think they got enough credit."
I thought the 00s were a flip of a coin era. Kerry could easily have had another 2, Tyrone won 3 but it could have been 1 or 4, Armagh a least should have had 2, Galway 1 but had the beating of anyone and Dublin would have fancied their chances for at least 2 with the team they had. Every game was a knife edge and all teams need a slice of luck.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 1018 - 30/11/2021 09:45:40    2391171

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Replying To Saynothing:  "I thought the 00s were a flip of a coin era. Kerry could easily have had another 2, Tyrone won 3 but it could have been 1 or 4, Armagh a least should have had 2, Galway 1 but had the beating of anyone and Dublin would have fancied their chances for at least 2 with the team they had. Every game was a knife edge and all teams need a slice of luck."
100%, you could even throw Cork into the mix as well, Monaghan nearly took us out a couple of times, Sligo had an injury time penalty to bate us in Tralee in 09, limerick should have bate us in 04 only for Darragh O'sé saving a few points.

There were some savage games, I don't think the gap was as big between teams as it is today.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 13953 - 30/11/2021 10:42:41    2391175

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Is Tyrone really as good as suggested?
My opinion that they All Ireland glory moment was more a flash in the pan success rather a truly earned GAA superiority team as their pathway has been dotted with questions in particular their miracle like recovery from COVID 19...many think was dubious as this threw Kerry off in their game preparations.
Okay they may succeed up in Ulster' provincials as the standard isn't exactly national top grade but I see them faced with stern opponents if they make it to the last four in the All Irelands which is the true barometer of excellence in in the game - even though from time to time that a team can sometimes infiltrate the finals such as Cavan and indeed wee Fermanagh of yester year.
Unlike Galway who have to meet a similar top-notch team Mayo in our opening in our provincials, Tyrone will get it easy taking on poor wee Fermanagh at the bottom of your provincial pit.
Talking of the Erne county I haven't noticed any post recently from the macca99 poster who thinks he is an expert coming on to other forums in the past to gave his opinion on teams he knows little about, just like some fellow posters and like that Saynothing guy who doesn't live up to that name as he has plenty to say in his waffling comments.
I feel better for getting that of my chest. Have a good Christmas up there!!!

WestRules (Galway) - Posts: 257 - 30/11/2021 11:32:15    2391188

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Replying To WestRules:  "Is Tyrone really as good as suggested?
My opinion that they All Ireland glory moment was more a flash in the pan success rather a truly earned GAA superiority team as their pathway has been dotted with questions in particular their miracle like recovery from COVID 19...many think was dubious as this threw Kerry off in their game preparations.
Okay they may succeed up in Ulster' provincials as the standard isn't exactly national top grade but I see them faced with stern opponents if they make it to the last four in the All Irelands which is the true barometer of excellence in in the game - even though from time to time that a team can sometimes infiltrate the finals such as Cavan and indeed wee Fermanagh of yester year.
Unlike Galway who have to meet a similar top-notch team Mayo in our opening in our provincials, Tyrone will get it easy taking on poor wee Fermanagh at the bottom of your provincial pit.
Talking of the Erne county I haven't noticed any post recently from the macca99 poster who thinks he is an expert coming on to other forums in the past to gave his opinion on teams he knows little about, just like some fellow posters and like that Saynothing guy who doesn't live up to that name as he has plenty to say in his waffling comments.
I feel better for getting that of my chest. Have a good Christmas up there!!!"
Tyrone is a very bad team, right enough. Winning the AI? Sure, that doesn't count for anything, lol.

As for covid, try asking yourself why Mattie Donnelly was unable to finish out the final; and why Richie Donnelly (Tyrone's best kick passer) didn't even feature, and why R Brennan (one of the best half backs in the county), didn't even feature. Throughout, Tyrone was simply told what to do by a Dublin-based medical expert, a man with no connections to Tyrone. The Tyrone covid conspiracy theorists can speculate, but it really is little more than sour grapes and conspiracy theories, ultimately deriving from a culture of begrudgery about anything that comes out of Ulster. Though if you knew your history, you'd also know that half of Connaught came out of Ulster ... Tyrone have been in the final shakeouts since c 2015, except that, under Harte, they were playing a very cautious brand of football that was always going to get you into top 4 territory, but which was never going to win anything. Dooher and Logie let the lads express themselves a bit more; and that's a major reason why Tyrone won it in 2021.

"but I see them faced with stern opponents if they make it to the last four in the All Irelands which is the true barometer of excellence in in the game"

I apologise for reminding you, but Tyrone actually did make it to the last 4 this year and beat Kerry and Mayo! That's your "barometer of excellence"; but Tyrone, having done that, are still not good enough? If beating Mayo and Kerry doesn't count, do tell us who we ought to have beaten in order for us to be allowed into the anti-Ulster hall of fame?

"Okay they may succeed up in Ulster' provincials as the standard isn't exactly national top grade"

To any fair-minded observer, 4 Ulster teams in Division 1 might suggest otherwise. Donegal and Monaghan this year gave Tyrone far tighter games than Mayo did. This year, any of Donegal, Monaghan or Tyrone would have taken Mayo in the final. Derry are coming back strong. Your remark about Fermanagh suggests you have never actually been at a Tyrone Fermanagh game; it is rarely easy, and it is always hard-hitting. I agree we're favourites against the Erne men, but you know little about the boys that play Fermanagh football if you think they're pushovers. Ulster isn't like that, even if you don't have realistic expectations of winning Ulster or an AI, you still want to smash your neighbours, and you'd be happy to do that, even if you never went any further. That intensity is not present in the other provinces, where half of them have thrown in the towel before the game even starts.

"Unlike Galway who have to meet a similar top-notch team Mayo in our opening in our provincials, Tyrone will get it easy taking on poor wee Fermanagh at the bottom of your provincial pit."

Well poor you - imagine having to face one good team in your provincials! I'd fancy Fermanagh to nip Galway in a provincial. The weakest teams in Ulster are Down and Antrim. Fermanagh may not have the pick, but they will play their heart out and will certainly catch any team who is arrogant enough to take them lightly. They'd be more than capable of making life v difficult for Galway in a provincial. While Tyrone just about got over the line v Kerry, they beat Mayo easily enough in the end. And that was a Mayo team who outclassed a great Dublin side. And Donegal and Monaghan this year gave Tyrone far tighter games than Mayo did, which somewhat detracts from your tale of woe about having to face Mayo every year. Mayo is only one team, deal with it. This year, any of Donegal, Monaghan or Tyrone would have taken Mayo in the final.

It was very close against Kerry, and had Clifford been able to stay on in extra time, Kerry could well have edged it. Of course, it didn't help Kerry that they hammered us in the league (6 goals!); complacency had to have been a factor, to some extent, after a hammering like that, and especially given that Tyrone struggled to get out Ulster, e.g. against Donegal and Monaghan, both of whom ran Tyrone very close this year. But the closeness of that encounter doesn't suggest Kerry was "thrown off"; it simply was a good competitive game, one that, on another day, Kerry could easily have won. You typify a partitionist mindset which will never accept that anything good can ever come out of Ulster. That patronising narrative seeks to explain away Tyrone's narrow win over Kerry by focussing on "what Kerry must have done wrong", instead of accepting that Tyrone might just have done something right.

Kerry may have been taken slightly by surprise, but Mayo certainly were well warned, so what's their excuse?

essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1074 - 30/11/2021 14:33:35    2391217

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Replying To WestRules:  "Is Tyrone really as good as suggested?
My opinion that they All Ireland glory moment was more a flash in the pan success rather a truly earned GAA superiority team as their pathway has been dotted with questions in particular their miracle like recovery from COVID 19...many think was dubious as this threw Kerry off in their game preparations.
Okay they may succeed up in Ulster' provincials as the standard isn't exactly national top grade but I see them faced with stern opponents if they make it to the last four in the All Irelands which is the true barometer of excellence in in the game - even though from time to time that a team can sometimes infiltrate the finals such as Cavan and indeed wee Fermanagh of yester year.
Unlike Galway who have to meet a similar top-notch team Mayo in our opening in our provincials, Tyrone will get it easy taking on poor wee Fermanagh at the bottom of your provincial pit.
Talking of the Erne county I haven't noticed any post recently from the macca99 poster who thinks he is an expert coming on to other forums in the past to gave his opinion on teams he knows little about, just like some fellow posters and like that Saynothing guy who doesn't live up to that name as he has plenty to say in his waffling comments.
I feel better for getting that of my chest. Have a good Christmas up there!!!"
Is Galway really a "top-notch" team? My opinion is not.....

RíochtUíNéill (Tyrone) - Posts: 1 - 30/11/2021 14:33:52    2391218

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Replying To WestRules:  "Is Tyrone really as good as suggested?
My opinion that they All Ireland glory moment was more a flash in the pan success rather a truly earned GAA superiority team as their pathway has been dotted with questions in particular their miracle like recovery from COVID 19...many think was dubious as this threw Kerry off in their game preparations.
Okay they may succeed up in Ulster' provincials as the standard isn't exactly national top grade but I see them faced with stern opponents if they make it to the last four in the All Irelands which is the true barometer of excellence in in the game - even though from time to time that a team can sometimes infiltrate the finals such as Cavan and indeed wee Fermanagh of yester year.
Unlike Galway who have to meet a similar top-notch team Mayo in our opening in our provincials, Tyrone will get it easy taking on poor wee Fermanagh at the bottom of your provincial pit.
Talking of the Erne county I haven't noticed any post recently from the macca99 poster who thinks he is an expert coming on to other forums in the past to gave his opinion on teams he knows little about, just like some fellow posters and like that Saynothing guy who doesn't live up to that name as he has plenty to say in his waffling comments.
I feel better for getting that of my chest. Have a good Christmas up there!!!"
It's good to see you've awoken. It's not 2001 now. Galway man talking about national standard of provincials. Mayo are the only team flying the flag for Connaught where as Armagh, Donegal, Down and Tyrone have all graced Croke Park on final day since you dozed off. 5 teams can win Ulster, 1 can win Connaught. Talking about Tyrone meeting Fermanagh, imagine Ulster teams having to beat highflying London or New York. Come on the red and green.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 1018 - 30/11/2021 14:35:34    2391220

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Predictions:
Tyr v Fer = Tyrone

Don v Arm = Armagh
Ant v Cvn = Antrim

Mon v Down = Monaghan
Der v Tyr = Tyrone

Armagh v Ant = Armagh
Mon v Tyr = Tyrone

Armagh v Tyr = Tyrone

Byanthon (Tyrone) - Posts: 1700 - 30/11/2021 14:59:51    2391226

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Replying To WestRules:  "Is Tyrone really as good as suggested?
My opinion that they All Ireland glory moment was more a flash in the pan success rather a truly earned GAA superiority team as their pathway has been dotted with questions in particular their miracle like recovery from COVID 19...many think was dubious as this threw Kerry off in their game preparations.
Okay they may succeed up in Ulster' provincials as the standard isn't exactly national top grade but I see them faced with stern opponents if they make it to the last four in the All Irelands which is the true barometer of excellence in in the game - even though from time to time that a team can sometimes infiltrate the finals such as Cavan and indeed wee Fermanagh of yester year.
Unlike Galway who have to meet a similar top-notch team Mayo in our opening in our provincials, Tyrone will get it easy taking on poor wee Fermanagh at the bottom of your provincial pit.
Talking of the Erne county I haven't noticed any post recently from the macca99 poster who thinks he is an expert coming on to other forums in the past to gave his opinion on teams he knows little about, just like some fellow posters and like that Saynothing guy who doesn't live up to that name as he has plenty to say in his waffling comments.
I feel better for getting that of my chest. Have a good Christmas up there!!!"
lol.

Gator (Monaghan) - Posts: 217 - 30/11/2021 15:26:17    2391227

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Replying To RíochtUíNéill:  "Is Galway really a "top-notch" team? My opinion is not....."
Give any other team a choice between playing Galway in Salthill or Tyrone in Omagh...what would the verdict be?

Eddie the Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 865 - 30/11/2021 17:47:37    2391246

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Replying To WestRules:  "Is Tyrone really as good as suggested?
My opinion that they All Ireland glory moment was more a flash in the pan success rather a truly earned GAA superiority team as their pathway has been dotted with questions in particular their miracle like recovery from COVID 19...many think was dubious as this threw Kerry off in their game preparations.
Okay they may succeed up in Ulster' provincials as the standard isn't exactly national top grade but I see them faced with stern opponents if they make it to the last four in the All Irelands which is the true barometer of excellence in in the game - even though from time to time that a team can sometimes infiltrate the finals such as Cavan and indeed wee Fermanagh of yester year.
Unlike Galway who have to meet a similar top-notch team Mayo in our opening in our provincials, Tyrone will get it easy taking on poor wee Fermanagh at the bottom of your provincial pit.
Talking of the Erne county I haven't noticed any post recently from the macca99 poster who thinks he is an expert coming on to other forums in the past to gave his opinion on teams he knows little about, just like some fellow posters and like that Saynothing guy who doesn't live up to that name as he has plenty to say in his waffling comments.
I feel better for getting that of my chest. Have a good Christmas up there!!!"
You must be a Man Utd supporter. Definite similarities in how you're harking back to glory days of yesteryear instead of dealing with the harsh realities of the here and now.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 7468 - 01/12/2021 09:08:10    2391264

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