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Replying To ponger:  "it used to be a Rule in Cavan that you couldn't play for the County if you didn't play for a senior club team. I'd love if this was brought back in (just like the Gaels are doing) as it might raise the standard, when playing at a high level week in week out."
When was this?

Calving4Sam (Cavan) - Posts: 22 - 21/12/2021 19:59:46    2393444

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Replying To Calving4Sam:  "When was this?"
It was never a rule and whoever would think it was a good idea has no clue about football….!!

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 771 - 22/12/2021 16:05:14    2393499

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The transfer hasn't been given the approval yet and going to Croke Park to make a decision.

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2487 - 14/01/2022 11:16:11    2394856

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Replying To Calving4Sam:  "When was this?"
Back in the 40s and 50s I think. I don't think it was a hard and fast rule, but think it was you didn't get selected for the county if you didn't play Senior football. It should be noted that it was a case you could play Senior with one club, while still playing Junior with your own club for example. Not sure how that would work these days. I do think exposing players to Senior football would be the best for them and the County, if in some way they could still play for their home club if they are not Senior. Not sure how the calendar could allow that though

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 1882 - 14/01/2022 11:48:30    2394862

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "It was never a rule and whoever would think it was a good idea has no clue about football….!!"
How would our best players playing Senior not be good for the county? Doesn't mean someone doesn't have a clue about football.

Kerry have a system where players can play in a regional team if their club are not Senior, and they get exposed to a high level. And Kerry are consistently at the top. Something works for them, so why not look at options?

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 1882 - 14/01/2022 11:51:21    2394863

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "How would our best players playing Senior not be good for the county? Doesn't mean someone doesn't have a clue about football.

Kerry have a system where players can play in a regional team if their club are not Senior, and they get exposed to a high level. And Kerry are consistently at the top. Something works for them, so why not look at options?"
We don't have the Kerry system of regional teams so until we do there's no reason a club player playing junior football should not be good enough to represent their County…..

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 771 - 14/01/2022 13:20:43    2394882

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "Back in the 40s and 50s I think. I don't think it was a hard and fast rule, but think it was you didn't get selected for the county if you didn't play Senior football. It should be noted that it was a case you could play Senior with one club, while still playing Junior with your own club for example. Not sure how that would work these days. I do think exposing players to Senior football would be the best for them and the County, if in some way they could still play for their home club if they are not Senior. Not sure how the calendar could allow that though"
I may be wrong on this one but I thought PJ Duke played junior football with what was then Stradone when winning All Irelands for Cavan. Jim McDonnell was definitely playing Junior for Drung when at his peak mid to late 50's. So as you say, not a hard and fast rule. Make well have been elements of snobbery involved, and a glass ceiling to break, but plenty did. Be a shame to have a system that would break the link between player and place which is such an important cornerstone of the GAA ethos (or maybe I'm just getting old).

Calving4Sam (Cavan) - Posts: 22 - 14/01/2022 13:48:24    2394889

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "We don't have the Kerry system of regional teams so until we do there's no reason a club player playing junior football should not be good enough to represent their County….."
I did say look at options, not follow it exactly. Just works for them, so why not? And regions might work. There's surely a good enough team in West Cavan for example, North Cavan now probably has enough too. All I'm saying is give teh option for players to play Senior, and can still play with their club. It can't harm them. Junior football is simply not strong enough, and you come up against and learn from playing the best. And the best aren't in Junior.

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 1882 - 14/01/2022 13:55:03    2394891

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Replying To Calving4Sam:  "I may be wrong on this one but I thought PJ Duke played junior football with what was then Stradone when winning All Irelands for Cavan. Jim McDonnell was definitely playing Junior for Drung when at his peak mid to late 50's. So as you say, not a hard and fast rule. Make well have been elements of snobbery involved, and a glass ceiling to break, but plenty did. Be a shame to have a system that would break the link between player and place which is such an important cornerstone of the GAA ethos (or maybe I'm just getting old)."
There are likely examples like those like you say. Must look into it, my father (who has passed away) was able to tell me those stories and it was he who told me about this. I'm not saying to break that club link. They can still play with their club, but they also go to play Senior football too. It was the way we did it when we were successful. It surely can't do any harm to try something.

Looks like you're right with PJ Duke. Won a Junior title in 1944 with Stradone, but seems he played a lot of high level schools and Sigerson games through the 40s, so maybe that's a bit of snobbery like you say. He was clearly good enough, and they selected him even with a Junior club. Not a hard and fast rule, but must have been tough for other players who didn't have that schools pedigree.

And there was no intermediate at that time, so he must have went up to Senior after that title in 1944. So he likely did play Senior football too

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 1882 - 14/01/2022 14:28:00    2394895

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "I did say look at options, not follow it exactly. Just works for them, so why not? And regions might work. There's surely a good enough team in West Cavan for example, North Cavan now probably has enough too. All I'm saying is give teh option for players to play Senior, and can still play with their club. It can't harm them. Junior football is simply not strong enough, and you come up against and learn from playing the best. And the best aren't in Junior."
It wasn't uncommon for amalgamations to enter the Cavan senior Championship in the 70s and 80s. Annagh (Belturbet / Redhills???) even won it once. A Kill/Drung St. Finbar's team entered in 80s also, but I think senior clubs didn't like it. As a solution for a couple of years county board ran an amalgamation only second championship where clubs were encouraged to enter, but it ran out of steam as the interest flagged. There was also a mini league ran on a more regional basis one year as a way of talent spotting for the county. Think that lasted one year, so maybe the regional appetite just isn't there for a smaller population county like ours. Hard to fit a jr. and senior championship in pulling from the same group of players if played in group stages also. I know Kerry do it well, but they are mad fellas altogether.

Calving4Sam (Cavan) - Posts: 22 - 14/01/2022 15:21:40    2394906

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There was some type of Amalgamation in the Senior Championship around 10 years ago. Knockbride and Drummond were joined up and Blackwater Gaels.
They played the Senior Club Championship games on the Friday and with their own clubs on Sunday in Junior.
But that wasn't sustainable.

If they were to do Amalgamations in future,the Junior Championship would have to be finished before Seniors so the Amalgamations could gel and train together

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2487 - 14/01/2022 21:09:50    2394965

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Replying To FoolsGold:  "There was some type of Amalgamation in the Senior Championship around 10 years ago. Knockbride and Drummond were joined up and Blackwater Gaels.
They played the Senior Club Championship games on the Friday and with their own clubs on Sunday in Junior.
But that wasn't sustainable.

If they were to do Amalgamations in future,the Junior Championship would have to be finished before Seniors so the Amalgamations could gel and train together"
Might have been more than 10 year, might be 15 or 20 years. But yeah, you're correct. Need to allow the time to play the other championships without making some play twice over a weekend. I'm sure if they look at the way the calendar is set out now, they might find a solution. Won't be easy, but I do think it'll be for the benefit of players and the county overall.

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 1882 - 15/01/2022 12:30:24    2395012

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No wasn't 20 years anyway. Belturbet played Knockbride/Drumgoon in one of the games. Bud Fitz was on fire that day.

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2487 - 15/01/2022 14:45:40    2395039

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Hearing that Croke Park rules on Jordan Morris' transfer to Kingscourt - if it was sanctioned he wouldn't be allowed to play for Meath. He never intended to switch counties so the transfer is off on that basis

hyperache (Meath) - Posts: 24 - 16/01/2022 19:22:05    2395201

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Replying To hyperache:  "Hearing that Croke Park rules on Jordan Morris' transfer to Kingscourt - if it was sanctioned he wouldn't be allowed to play for Meath. He never intended to switch counties so the transfer is off on that basis"
Hearing that Croke Park rules on Jordan Morris' transfer to Kingscourt - if it was sanctioned he wouldn't be allowed to play for Meath. He never intended to switch counties so the transfer is off on that basis

hyperache (Meath) - Posts: 4 - 16/01/2022 19:22:05

Whether its going ahead or not there is no rule to stop him playing with Meath if it did go through so i call you out on posting lies.

RHF (Cavan) - Posts: 739 - 17/01/2022 11:32:32    2395254

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Replying To RHF:  "Hearing that Croke Park rules on Jordan Morris' transfer to Kingscourt - if it was sanctioned he wouldn't be allowed to play for Meath. He never intended to switch counties so the transfer is off on that basis

hyperache (Meath) - Posts: 4 - 16/01/2022 19:22:05

Whether its going ahead or not there is no rule to stop him playing with Meath if it did go through so i call you out on posting lies."
No, I agree with you, I can't see what rule stop him playing for Meath either, but I can assure you my source is as decent and that's what I've heard the transfer hasn't been approved.

Apparently Croke Park refuted one of the main arguments being that he was living in Kingscourt because it was on his postal address. His postal address is Kingscourt, Co. Meath, so he doesn't actually live in Cavan. It wasn't like a normal transfer where it's not logistical for a player to play for his club due to work or whatever - he literally lives 10 mins down the road from either club (Nobber/Kingscourt)

I can't see what rule would stop him from playing for Kingscourt while also playing for Meath, but apparently that's what the ruling was. The met over the weekend and I'm seeing a couple of transfers confirmed in the last few days after they were approved, most notably Pat Spillane to Sligo, but nothing on this transfer.

Don't shoot the messenger, it's just what I've been told by a source close to the player.

hyperache (Meath) - Posts: 24 - 18/01/2022 16:21:56    2395474

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Replying To hyperache:  "No, I agree with you, I can't see what rule stop him playing for Meath either, but I can assure you my source is as decent and that's what I've heard the transfer hasn't been approved.

Apparently Croke Park refuted one of the main arguments being that he was living in Kingscourt because it was on his postal address. His postal address is Kingscourt, Co. Meath, so he doesn't actually live in Cavan. It wasn't like a normal transfer where it's not logistical for a player to play for his club due to work or whatever - he literally lives 10 mins down the road from either club (Nobber/Kingscourt)

I can't see what rule would stop him from playing for Kingscourt while also playing for Meath, but apparently that's what the ruling was. The met over the weekend and I'm seeing a couple of transfers confirmed in the last few days after they were approved, most notably Pat Spillane to Sligo, but nothing on this transfer.

Don't shoot the messenger, it's just what I've been told by a source close to the player."
There would be plenty of people living in County Cavan who's postal address would be Co. Meath.

Or more precisely. . Kingscourt, Kells, Co. Meath.

Same for most of the border parishes.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 4685 - 18/01/2022 19:38:06    2395503

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I remember seeing that address in the Celt last week and thought it cause debate in Croke Park.

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2487 - 18/01/2022 20:16:06    2395506

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Another transfer in the pipeline I believe from a reliable source is Conor Bradley from Dunboyne back to home club Ramor United....

CR7 (Cavan) - Posts: 124 - 26/01/2022 17:08:16    2396599

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Conor Bradley has transferred back to Ramor from Dunboyne.

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2487 - 01/02/2022 17:07:19    2397777

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