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Replying To Yondu:  "Name the decisions. The mark was the only debatable one I saw and judging the game on 60plus minutes the best team on the day was Pearses.

Going to be a competitive final between two well organised teams that rarely concede big scores. Knockmore have the advantage of the match played in Ballina and them already having won a few important matches in that venue in this campaign."
The foul on McHugh a couple of minutes before the mark was blatant too and wasn't given. Then straight after that he gave a non-existent free to Pearse's, which they actually dropped short. The shambles with the non-given mark followed that, and even in that play itself, Patrick Kelly had the legs taken from him after McHugh wasn't awarded the mark. The last few minutes were a disaster from the ref's point of view, which made it worse in such at such a critical stage of a tight tense match.
You asked to name the decisions. They're the ones that led to some M/M players losing the head at the end.
On this weekend's final, I'd love to see Pearse's get the job done. We'd have a new winner in Connacht and in what looks to be an open year All-Ireland wise, who knows where it could take them. They're very solid across most lines. Knockmore finished the Mayo final strongly, but they didn't look great for most of the match. They struggled with Tourlestrane for long periods too. In saying that, they have plenty quality and I expect this to be extremely tight.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 1398 - 08/01/2022 09:09:29    2394050

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Replying To Yondu:  "I'm UK based and Galway born, have attended most of this years County finals and both of Mountbellew Moylough Connacht championship games. I don't do bias, I call games as I see them.

If Countless debatable decisions then you should have no problem naming some so we can debate them.

Mountbellew Moylough was not the better team,in that match and for whatever never brought their Galway form into this Connacht campaign and lost all discipline against Pearses, The best they played in the game was the first 10 minutes 2nd half against the 14 men of Pearses.

Knockmore are unlikely to lose their rag like Mountbellew did, just like Pearses a well organised outfit that make themselves difficult to beat, they'll be more than pleased with familiar surroundings of Ballina."
Sincere apologies for getting both your current country of residence and your county of birth wrong.
I think I could be forgiven for thinking you a had an affinity towards Ros/Padraig Pearses with some of your comments. In particular , it looked to me like you were trying to make excuses for Pearses pre the Knockmore with the home advantage thing. I honestly think that in this competition that home advantage counts for little . I did not hear any Mountbellew supporters complaining over the Ros venue for the semi , and in all the media ( social and formal) I have not seen this used as any excuse for Mountbellew's sub par performance a few weeks ago,
With regard to your assessment of who should have won the Pearses /Mountbellew I think that everyone is entitled to their opinion. In truth there was not much between the sides and I do accept that different people will have different opinions in that regard. But you do bring up an interesting point re Mountbellew playing their best football while Pearses were down to 14 men, This is true but unfortunately that was not reflected in the scoreboard where they scored 2 points to Pearses 1. Your comment prompted me to review the video and i noted that while Pearses had the numerical advantage ( albeit for longer periods due to 3 blacks and a red) they made it count more on the scoreboard ( 4 points to 1) . Doing the sums on this if we count the periods where it was 15 v 15 the scoreline was Mountbellew 1-4 , Pearses 1-3.
I also want to apologise for using the term "countless" debatable decisions. I should have said several but as I watched through the video again today it was difficult to count as some instances had multiple issues in a single play.
As I watched the video , trying to be as objective as possible ( I know that everyone has a bit of bias) I did notice that there were some decisions that went against Pearses that they could also debate but I think that a number of really influential ones went against Mountbellew and did impact the result
1. The by now infamous mark that wasnt
2. Barry McHugh was fouled directly after the mark - no free
3. Barry passed to Patrick Kelly who was fouled no free
4. Five minutes earlier Barry McHugh fouled - no free
5. McHugh black card in first half - Pearses goalie grabbed him and Barry shrugged him off. Probably deserved a card but still a bit debatabl;e
6. McHugh black card - card should have been yellow as the ball was dead, A yellow would have kept him on the field and would have allowed Mountbellew to build on the dominance that they were just starting to build , not to mention that there was an easy free missed during this period that in all likelihood he would have converted.
7. Pearses player clearly boxes a Mountbellew player in the head. Gets a yellow card ( no red??) and the ball is only thrown in
8. Pearses goal .. It has hard to see from video but there is a school of though that the ball was over the line before either the Pearses forward or the Mountbellew defender made contact with it. To be fair to the ref he couldnt have made the judgement . I would question the umpires here.
9. From the subsequent throw in there is a tangle of legs. Mountbellew player gets a black ( how?) and this time its a free to Pearses, from which they work a score.
10. Mountbellew red card! The first yellow in the 1st half was thoroughly deserved and well spotted by ref to let play go and come back to give the card. But the second yellow . How did he make yellow out of that
11. Black card at the end of game . Why would Mountbellew player want to be engaging in pulling down when they were a point down . And even at that he gave the card to the wrong player.
12. The mistakes didnt end on the final whistle. In his report the ref identified 2 lads for verbal abuse that the video shows clearly were not in the vicinity.

anotheralias (Galway) - Posts: 330 - 08/01/2022 19:38:59    2394135

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Replying To anotheralias:  "Sincere apologies for getting both your current country of residence and your county of birth wrong.
I think I could be forgiven for thinking you a had an affinity towards Ros/Padraig Pearses with some of your comments. In particular , it looked to me like you were trying to make excuses for Pearses pre the Knockmore with the home advantage thing. I honestly think that in this competition that home advantage counts for little . I did not hear any Mountbellew supporters complaining over the Ros venue for the semi , and in all the media ( social and formal) I have not seen this used as any excuse for Mountbellew's sub par performance a few weeks ago,
With regard to your assessment of who should have won the Pearses /Mountbellew I think that everyone is entitled to their opinion. In truth there was not much between the sides and I do accept that different people will have different opinions in that regard. But you do bring up an interesting point re Mountbellew playing their best football while Pearses were down to 14 men, This is true but unfortunately that was not reflected in the scoreboard where they scored 2 points to Pearses 1. Your comment prompted me to review the video and i noted that while Pearses had the numerical advantage ( albeit for longer periods due to 3 blacks and a red) they made it count more on the scoreboard ( 4 points to 1) . Doing the sums on this if we count the periods where it was 15 v 15 the scoreline was Mountbellew 1-4 , Pearses 1-3.
I also want to apologise for using the term "countless" debatable decisions. I should have said several but as I watched through the video again today it was difficult to count as some instances had multiple issues in a single play.
As I watched the video , trying to be as objective as possible ( I know that everyone has a bit of bias) I did notice that there were some decisions that went against Pearses that they could also debate but I think that a number of really influential ones went against Mountbellew and did impact the result
1. The by now infamous mark that wasnt
2. Barry McHugh was fouled directly after the mark - no free
3. Barry passed to Patrick Kelly who was fouled no free
4. Five minutes earlier Barry McHugh fouled - no free
5. McHugh black card in first half - Pearses goalie grabbed him and Barry shrugged him off. Probably deserved a card but still a bit debatabl;e
6. McHugh black card - card should have been yellow as the ball was dead, A yellow would have kept him on the field and would have allowed Mountbellew to build on the dominance that they were just starting to build , not to mention that there was an easy free missed during this period that in all likelihood he would have converted.
7. Pearses player clearly boxes a Mountbellew player in the head. Gets a yellow card ( no red??) and the ball is only thrown in
8. Pearses goal .. It has hard to see from video but there is a school of though that the ball was over the line before either the Pearses forward or the Mountbellew defender made contact with it. To be fair to the ref he couldnt have made the judgement . I would question the umpires here.
9. From the subsequent throw in there is a tangle of legs. Mountbellew player gets a black ( how?) and this time its a free to Pearses, from which they work a score.
10. Mountbellew red card! The first yellow in the 1st half was thoroughly deserved and well spotted by ref to let play go and come back to give the card. But the second yellow . How did he make yellow out of that
11. Black card at the end of game . Why would Mountbellew player want to be engaging in pulling down when they were a point down . And even at that he gave the card to the wrong player.
12. The mistakes didnt end on the final whistle. In his report the ref identified 2 lads for verbal abuse that the video shows clearly were not in the vicinity."
I was at the game and the ref did make a few poor decisions for both teams, the biggest one was of course the mark that he did miss that being said if it was missed in the first few mins of the game it wouldn't have been as much of an issue, but seen as it was so late on it was fresh in the players minds, a lot of your points involved Barry Mchugh Barry doesn't help himself and has a rep for playing on the edge his stupidity of pulling down there keeper after scoring a goal says it all really letting down his team mates, this also happened many years ago with Corofin when the ref on that occasion was also from Mayo i really think that when it reaches this phase of the competition that refs from other provinces should be reffing the games,

Fox.1n.7he.b0x (Galway) - Posts: 50 - 09/01/2022 09:50:09    2394153

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Replying To Fox.1n.7he.b0x:  "I was at the game and the ref did make a few poor decisions for both teams, the biggest one was of course the mark that he did miss that being said if it was missed in the first few mins of the game it wouldn't have been as much of an issue, but seen as it was so late on it was fresh in the players minds, a lot of your points involved Barry Mchugh Barry doesn't help himself and has a rep for playing on the edge his stupidity of pulling down there keeper after scoring a goal says it all really letting down his team mates, this also happened many years ago with Corofin when the ref on that occasion was also from Mayo i really think that when it reaches this phase of the competition that refs from other provinces should be reffing the games,"
One of the most stupid black cards I have ever seen. What was McHugh thinking. That lack of discipline cost them the most.

Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 2766 - 09/01/2022 11:02:23    2394161

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Replying To Gaa_lover:  "One of the most stupid black cards I have ever seen. What was McHugh thinking. That lack of discipline cost them the most."
I agree that his black waa the biggest impact to the result. But it should have been a yellow. Kilmacud no 14 got yellow yesterday for a similar but much more dangerous act. But the ref correctly judged that because the ball was out of play yelliw or red were the only options.

anotheralias (Galway) - Posts: 330 - 09/01/2022 12:08:36    2394175

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Replying To anotheralias:  "I agree that his black waa the biggest impact to the result. But it should have been a yellow. Kilmacud no 14 got yellow yesterday for a similar but much more dangerous act. But the ref correctly judged that because the ball was out of play yelliw or red were the only options."
So if you box the head off a lad when the ball is out if play you should only get a yellow??

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 230 - 09/01/2022 12:43:37    2394181

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Go on the pearses best team in connacht.

OhtobeARossie (Roscommon) - Posts: 1645 - 09/01/2022 15:05:19    2394206

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Congrats to Pearses. Excellent performance today. Well deserved victory. Go on and win the whole thing now.

anotheralias (Galway) - Posts: 330 - 09/01/2022 15:26:05    2394210

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Replying To anotheralias:  "I agree that his black waa the biggest impact to the result. But it should have been a yellow. Kilmacud no 14 got yellow yesterday for a similar but much more dangerous act. But the ref correctly judged that because the ball was out of play yelliw or red were the only options."
One of the most straight forward blacks you could see, McHugh can have no complaints while letting his teammates down that type of lack of discipline the true killer for Mountbellew.

Away from the past and to focus on the present. Pearses full value for their win even though their goalkeeper basically kept Knockmore in the game Knockmores shot selection was dreadful through out. Paul Carey fullly deserved his MOTM award. Should be a great semi final against Kilmacud Crokes

Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 2766 - 09/01/2022 15:42:02    2394213

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One positive note for mayo. Knockmore goalkeeper excellent. Needs to be fast tracked up Horans rankings.

anotheralias (Galway) - Posts: 330 - 09/01/2022 15:55:13    2394218

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Very poor show from Knockmore both by Management and players. Why cant Mayo players both County and Club score from play, something to do with coaching maybe. None of them willing to have a go , but then maybe they are told not to shoot. None of the Knockmore players on that performance are worth their place on County Team.

jacktheboy (Donegal) - Posts: 222 - 09/01/2022 16:01:24    2394221

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Pearces full value for their win. Knockmore poor and the poor standard of the Mayo senior club championship the past two years has been shown up today. Knockmore kicked some shocking wides. Pitch looked very slow and heavy and Pearces were smarter on the ball and when out of possession.

All the best to Pearces in the all Ireland series.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 10923 - 09/01/2022 16:07:57    2394224

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Replying To Fox.1n.7he.b0x:  "I was at the game and the ref did make a few poor decisions for both teams, the biggest one was of course the mark that he did miss that being said if it was missed in the first few mins of the game it wouldn't have been as much of an issue, but seen as it was so late on it was fresh in the players minds, a lot of your points involved Barry Mchugh Barry doesn't help himself and has a rep for playing on the edge his stupidity of pulling down there keeper after scoring a goal says it all really letting down his team mates, this also happened many years ago with Corofin when the ref on that occasion was also from Mayo i really think that when it reaches this phase of the competition that refs from other provinces should be reffing the games,"
On one hand you are saying McHugh does stupid things and let's his team mates down but then say ref should be from another provencé?
What's McHughs excuse for not finishing any county Final he's played in?

reffingmad (Roscommon) - Posts: 274 - 09/01/2022 16:33:57    2394235

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Replying To Gaa_lover:  "One of the most straight forward blacks you could see, McHugh can have no complaints while letting his teammates down that type of lack of discipline the true killer for Mountbellew.

Away from the past and to focus on the present. Pearses full value for their win even though their goalkeeper basically kept Knockmore in the game Knockmores shot selection was dreadful through out. Paul Carey fullly deserved his MOTM award. Should be a great semi final against Kilmacud Crokes"
Goalkeeper was shocking bad.

dave1988 (Roscommon) - Posts: 783 - 09/01/2022 16:34:39    2394236

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Fine achievement for Pearses, only their second ever Connacht championship campaign, two finals and one win and that win done the hard way by beating the best club teams in Galway, Mayo

Small matter of the Dublin champions next but this Pearses side will be well up for the challenge.

The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 3098 - 09/01/2022 18:03:06    2394255

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Replying To jacktheboy:  "Very poor show from Knockmore both by Management and players. Why cant Mayo players both County and Club score from play, something to do with coaching maybe. None of them willing to have a go , but then maybe they are told not to shoot. None of the Knockmore players on that performance are worth their place on County Team."
Knockmore seemed to struggle fitness wise & certainly their shooting was very poor, basic tenet of the game.
But your right, coaching now is all about possession, fellas coaching drills in 2 metre squares no thought on how to convert all that possession, some of the skill level you see on display in games now is shocking.

moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1189 - 09/01/2022 19:15:45    2394269

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Very impressive from Pearses. Paul Carey, in contrast to the Knockmore forwards, give some exhibition of scoring. 8 shots at the post. Every one of them went over. Deserved man of the match. Also impressed by Niall Daly. Played almost as a sweeper towards the end. Mopped up plenty of ball.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 09/01/2022 19:40:17    2394275

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Replying To reffingmad:  "On one hand you are saying McHugh does stupid things and let's his team mates down but then say ref should be from another provencé?
What's McHughs excuse for not finishing any county Final he's played in?"
Mchugh does do stupid things and plays on the edge all the time, i am just stating my personal opinion that refs should be from different provinces when you get out of your county, a lot of people would also say the same about county finals that refs should be from different county's, i wasn't at todays game watched it on tv but the better team won by a mile and thought there should have been a bigger margin at the end, but im sure the Roscommon boys don't care less, different challenge in the semi final but there won't be much in it,

Fox.1n.7he.b0x (Galway) - Posts: 50 - 09/01/2022 19:56:27    2394285

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Replying To reffingmad:  "On one hand you are saying McHugh does stupid things and let's his team mates down but then say ref should be from another provencé?
What's McHughs excuse for not finishing any county Final he's played in?"
Mchugh was collecting his county medal when finishing the county final this year!!

Michaelcusack2022 (Galway) - Posts: 11 - 09/01/2022 20:03:38    2394287

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Pearses definitely deserved it today. 14 wides to 2 is some disparity in shooting. They'll put it up to Kilmacud in the semi final I think. Hopefully they remember to send a good bottle of wine to Jerome Henry!

Marooned (Galway) - Posts: 1940 - 09/01/2022 20:14:51    2394291

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