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Replying To eoinog: "The weather hasn't been great this summer so I am wondering did the few good days and the bit of sunshine affect you a little bit. To be fair you did serve us with a warning that you expect a backlash. Joking aside if that's your dream/ambition I'm not going to throw cold water on it. I think it's extremely ambitious, I would much prefer to start with winning the Tailteann Cup next year and Connacht in the next 2 years. You referenced Armagh as the example but this Armagh team are together a long time. They havent lost many championship games in regulation time over the last few years. Penos was their downfall. It's unfair to say we just train, league, Championship, T.C and see you next year. You could say the same about practically 80 % of the teams that play football. To get to the standard that Armagh are at it starts with the club team. We have to improve the standard of football in the county. We are making no headwaters in Senior or Intermediate grade in Connacht. Maybe it's me that's too negative and that's why I'm not on the same hymn sheet as you." You have been kind to me Eoinog.
Teams like Sligo are in the 80% group of counties. Only 20% of counties are seen as capable of winning AI in any one year. 5 year programme allows for winning TC , Connacht, promotions. With a serious management structure and 30 real men with ambition, It can be done. If you think it can't and they fall short, you would still be happy with an almighty journey. I agree a strong club scene in Sligo would be great but imagine how 30 men who are on a serious journey with the County would bring back this inspiration to their clubs. Maybe I'm a dreamer but I know that serious hard work pays off. I'm 53 and I train/compete jumping horses and run 60 miles a week. I put this work in so I can still compete against the younger kids. If you want something, you have to work to get it. The problem with team sport is to get the buy in from all 30 players. This has to come from the management. I would love to see a truly motivational person involved within Sligo panel. Sligo for Sam
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Replying To eoinog: "The weather hasn't been great this summer so I am wondering did the few good days and the bit of sunshine affect you a little bit. To be fair you did serve us with a warning that you expect a backlash. Joking aside if that's your dream/ambition I'm not going to throw cold water on it. I think it's extremely ambitious, I would much prefer to start with winning the Tailteann Cup next year and Connacht in the next 2 years. You referenced Armagh as the example but this Armagh team are together a long time. They havent lost many championship games in regulation time over the last few years. Penos was their downfall. It's unfair to say we just train, league, Championship, T.C and see you next year. You could say the same about practically 80 % of the teams that play football. To get to the standard that Armagh are at it starts with the club team. We have to improve the standard of football in the county. We are making no headwaters in Senior or Intermediate grade in Connacht. Maybe it's me that's too negative and that's why I'm not on the same hymn sheet as you." I agree. Could be wrong to say, but the club game in Sligo is the worst it's been in years. A few big clubs are making progress as previously eluded to by a poster, but the majority have gone backwards in terms of quality over the past 5-10 years. The club game in Sligo is a problem along with retention of players. I think there are half a dozen clubs at risk of surviving over the next 20 years. That doesn't suggest to me that there is enough to be expecting becoming a threat to the top half of intercounty teams in this country.
Also on sligoscots post, the average county player is doing his bit every single day from November to June/July and is then with his club. I think respect of commitment and work being done, we match up as well as any county. I'm not sure exactly what the recipe is that makes the ulster teams the way they are, but they seem to just have that desire at the moment. The 'us against the world' feeling maybe. I'm not sure.
All you can do is continue keep going hard after the S&C, push the level of coaching within the county (still think we've a bit to go as there definitely aren't enough top coaches in clubs or underage county setups), promote the game encouraging fans to get behind your county sides and attend club games, and respect the club game as much as possible and try to nurture it. I don't think there's any other secret formulas. We keep getting back to McEntee and the Sligo seniors but none of it moves on dramatically if the club scene from U8 to Senior isn't going well in my opinion.
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Replying To SligoScot: "You have been kind to me Eoinog.
Teams like Sligo are in the 80% group of counties. Only 20% of counties are seen as capable of winning AI in any one year. 5 year programme allows for winning TC , Connacht, promotions. With a serious management structure and 30 real men with ambition, It can be done. If you think it can't and they fall short, you would still be happy with an almighty journey. I agree a strong club scene in Sligo would be great but imagine how 30 men who are on a serious journey with the County would bring back this inspiration to their clubs. Maybe I'm a dreamer but I know that serious hard work pays off. I'm 53 and I train/compete jumping horses and run 60 miles a week. I put this work in so I can still compete against the younger kids. If you want something, you have to work to get it. The problem with team sport is to get the buy in from all 30 players. This has to come from the management. I would love to see a truly motivational person involved within Sligo panel. Sligo for Sam" Great post and why not. Sligo pushed armagh the last year they won it back in 02 harder than any side. Too many counties out there including my own arent ambitious enough when they have the tools to push on. Every county has at least 20-30 good inter county players. Belief and organisation with committment and hard work are different matters entirely. Think what was key for armagh was keeping their squad together desoite the near misses.
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Replying To Bumblebee123: "I agree. Could be wrong to say, but the club game in Sligo is the worst it's been in years. A few big clubs are making progress as previously eluded to by a poster, but the majority have gone backwards in terms of quality over the past 5-10 years. The club game in Sligo is a problem along with retention of players. I think there are half a dozen clubs at risk of surviving over the next 20 years. That doesn't suggest to me that there is enough to be expecting becoming a threat to the top half of intercounty teams in this country.
Also on sligoscots post, the average county player is doing his bit every single day from November to June/July and is then with his club. I think respect of commitment and work being done, we match up as well as any county. I'm not sure exactly what the recipe is that makes the ulster teams the way they are, but they seem to just have that desire at the moment. The 'us against the world' feeling maybe. I'm not sure.
All you can do is continue keep going hard after the S&C, push the level of coaching within the county (still think we've a bit to go as there definitely aren't enough top coaches in clubs or underage county setups), promote the game encouraging fans to get behind your county sides and attend club games, and respect the club game as much as possible and try to nurture it. I don't think there's any other secret formulas. We keep getting back to McEntee and the Sligo seniors but none of it moves on dramatically if the club scene from U8 to Senior isn't going well in my opinion." Agree in principle but things are always better in the past.
Sligo were better 20 years ago - Probably true, but as breakingball has said, we had a couple of good years but plenty of average/disappointing ones. But you'd take a return to being a threat to the top sides in Connacht again.
Club football was stronger 20 years ago - I was involved in club football 20 years ago and it's a completely different game nowadays. In my opinion, I wouldn't be convinced the standard are worse. Yes, there are fewer good forwards but I think that may be symptematic of the game. I mean look how at the game on Sunday. You ask people in most counties and they'll tell you the same. As you have said, the bigger worry, may well be the lack of lads coming into senior teams and leaving the sport altogether. We are definitely losing very good players to other sports.
As eoinog has stated, it's hard to know whether we are too negative or positive sometimes but I will say that we are still a way to go before we can have panels like Armagh or even Monaghan. Fingers crossed we keep progressing that way.
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Replying To seanie08: "Great post and why not. Sligo pushed armagh the last year they won it back in 02 harder than any side. Too many counties out there including my own arent ambitious enough when they have the tools to push on. Every county has at least 20-30 good inter county players. Belief and organisation with committment and hard work are different matters entirely. Think what was key for armagh was keeping their squad together desoite the near misses." https://fb.watch/tFWoPq4LEb/
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Back to in house matters and back to the ccc, 16 days out from champ and not a day/time or venue has been put up yet. How can we expect to improve the club game with this sort of stuff. Its completely unacceptable and clubs need to get more vocal. I believe was a county board meeting last night, I'd hope there was something said about the shambles that is the fixtures.
westvoice (Sligo) - Posts: 55 - 01/08/2024 10:00:14
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Replying To westvoice: "Back to in house matters and back to the ccc, 16 days out from champ and not a day/time or venue has been put up yet. How can we expect to improve the club game with this sort of stuff. Its completely unacceptable and clubs need to get more vocal. I believe was a county board meeting last night, I'd hope there was something said about the shambles that is the fixtures." The CCC are saying they will not fix championship games until they get the grading lists from clubs. A number of clubs with lists outstanding, were due 19th July
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Replying To shorona: "The CCC are saying they will not fix championship games until they get the grading lists from clubs. A number of clubs with lists outstanding, were due 19th July" Surely it's up to them to have these lists or teams can't be entered in Junior comps?
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Absolute joke shop. Club player **** on as usual!
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Replying To shorona: "The CCC are saying they will not fix championship games until they get the grading lists from clubs. A number of clubs with lists outstanding, were due 19th July" That's a complete and utter cop out on their behalf. Totally unacceptable
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Replying To Bumblebee123: "Surely it's up to them to have these lists or teams can't be entered in Junior comps?" Well as was pointed out earlier in a post there is a player involved in the Junior championship on the CCC so perhaps it's too protective of their chances. Why this affects not deciding what happens in Senior and Intermediate is beyond me. Why didn't they pick an earlier date if they thought that clubs would be slow or if ya set a deadline and miss it then tough luck out ya go. The tail wagging the dog here that Junior championship lists are holding up the top two tiers!
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I don't remember fixtures for championship in years gone by, being as last minute to be fair.
I've spoken on the CCC a few times in the past. In my experience, it always has involved three types of people for the past twenty years; those who can't kick or have never played football, those who have't kicked a ball for years and think players should have nothing else for doing but waiting to see when they're out, or those who are on it just in case their own club gets in a jam.
I remember previous attempts from club players to meet as reps and get their feelings across to the county board, and they were a waste of time. I'm not sure of too many who are on the CCC at the minute but it seems going by the commentary on here that nothing has changed and has got seemingly worse.
I can't see any reason for this each year other than poor planning and a serious lack of forward thinking. A club players rep on the committee should be a given. Someone that speaks for the club players who can then meet once a year to put their ideas forward. I'm pretty sure this was suggested in the past and absolutely sure it never happened.
It was frustrating in the early 00's and it seems it's even more frustrating today. Frustrating for players, coaches, referees, work,etc.
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Replying To johncreilly: "I don't remember fixtures for championship in years gone by, being as last minute to be fair.
I've spoken on the CCC a few times in the past. In my experience, it always has involved three types of people for the past twenty years; those who can't kick or have never played football, those who have't kicked a ball for years and think players should have nothing else for doing but waiting to see when they're out, or those who are on it just in case their own club gets in a jam.
I remember previous attempts from club players to meet as reps and get their feelings across to the county board, and they were a waste of time. I'm not sure of too many who are on the CCC at the minute but it seems going by the commentary on here that nothing has changed and has got seemingly worse.
I can't see any reason for this each year other than poor planning and a serious lack of forward thinking. A club players rep on the committee should be a given. Someone that speaks for the club players who can then meet once a year to put their ideas forward. I'm pretty sure this was suggested in the past and absolutely sure it never happened.
It was frustrating in the early 00's and it seems it's even more frustrating today. Frustrating for players, coaches, referees, work,etc." If we in Ros can have the Championship Group fixtures, venues, refs, all organised in early July surely ye can do the same.
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Replying To Seanfanbocht: "If we in Ros can have the Championship Group fixtures, venues, refs, all organised in early July surely ye can do the same." Could have them organised in April if you wanted. That's the point of a split season.
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Replying To johncreilly: "I don't remember fixtures for championship in years gone by, being as last minute to be fair.
I've spoken on the CCC a few times in the past. In my experience, it always has involved three types of people for the past twenty years; those who can't kick or have never played football, those who have't kicked a ball for years and think players should have nothing else for doing but waiting to see when they're out, or those who are on it just in case their own club gets in a jam.
I remember previous attempts from club players to meet as reps and get their feelings across to the county board, and they were a waste of time. I'm not sure of too many who are on the CCC at the minute but it seems going by the commentary on here that nothing has changed and has got seemingly worse.
I can't see any reason for this each year other than poor planning and a serious lack of forward thinking. A club players rep on the committee should be a given. Someone that speaks for the club players who can then meet once a year to put their ideas forward. I'm pretty sure this was suggested in the past and absolutely sure it never happened.
It was frustrating in the early 00's and it seems it's even more frustrating today. Frustrating for players, coaches, referees, work,etc." How are lads meant to get time off from their work…a lot of younger lads will have summer jobs…plenty of players work shift work…is it just a case of block book a weekend off, doesn't seem fair to me…2 weeks out…
I was annoyed earlier in the year but could just about concede that there was a good few moving parts with Sligo senior footballers etc…this is unbelievable really..
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Well there you have it.
A fairly good cross section of opinion and everyone on the same hymn sheet.
Until we solve the internal problems we won't be making progress on the field. If bunnyland is regarded as a neutral and fair ground for both teams in the league final I can't wait to see the neutral venue's for the championship. And in case you think I am having a go at the poor bunnies I do recall that they were banished to a far off destination in West Sligo for a championship game last year against a West division team.
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Replying To eoinog: "Well there you have it.
A fairly good cross section of opinion and everyone on the same hymn sheet.
Until we solve the internal problems we won't be making progress on the field. If bunnyland is regarded as a neutral and fair ground for both teams in the league final I can't wait to see the neutral venue's for the championship. And in case you think I am having a go at the poor bunnies I do recall that they were banished to a far off destination in West Sligo for a championship game last year against a West division team." Ironic when they have a representative on the CCC, mind you seeing as they banished same person a few years ago they could be playing in Grange and Enniscrone this year! Perhaps given the farce of the CCC the past few years, they were right and Sligo should do the same.
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Well that's Division 2 league finished up. Farnans and Castleconnor head for Division 3. Farnans especially must be disappointed having played in Division 1 last year. Did Enniscrone and Drumcliffe game go ahead I don't see a result in for it? I know they're meeting in the league final next weekend but surely all games should be played out even if it were running the bench.
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Replying To Sligoman1234: "Well that's Division 2 league finished up. Farnans and Castleconnor head for Division 3. Farnans especially must be disappointed having played in Division 1 last year. Did Enniscrone and Drumcliffe game go ahead I don't see a result in for it? I know they're meeting in the league final next weekend but surely all games should be played out even if it were running the bench." Enniscrone and Drumcliffe didn't play. Both appear to have been docked a point on the table so seems both weren't willing to play 2 weeks in a row.
On the relegation it will remain to be seen will castleconnor get a reprieve like owenmore gaels did last year as a result of molaise gaels not wanting to be promoted from div 3
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Replying To westvoice: "Enniscrone and Drumcliffe didn't play. Both appear to have been docked a point on the table so seems both weren't willing to play 2 weeks in a row.
On the relegation it will remain to be seen will castleconnor get a reprieve like owenmore gaels did last year as a result of molaise gaels not wanting to be promoted from div 3" DRP are at 16 points from 8 wins and Enniscrone 14 from 7 wins?
As regards teams making arrangements with other clubs to suit themselves that should not be permitted. What's the point in having a competition at all. Could DRP forego their place in the final to Easkey to save them having to play the week before championship??? Also not fair to the other teams in Division 3 to be stuck with Molaise every year if they clearly are at a higher standard. If they don't want to go up whoever was 3rd should be the team to go not whoever was rightfully relegated.
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