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Replying To eoinog: "Senior and U.20 Mgt are sorted for next year. No surprise really with either appointment. Henry will have a huge task ahead of him. There's an expectancy now which can be a burden. There's talk of the competition changing to a round robin which I don't like. I love the cut throat of knock out. MC Enter fully deserves another year. You know the saying about the devil you know is better than the devil you don't. There's no one knocking down doors trying to get the job. We would have a few potential candidates who are with other set ups. Another year under their belt would be no harm. We should be pushing for promotion next year and should give the Tailteann Cup a good run. We would not have won that cup this year. We need to find a few 6'4 players with power and pace and I'm not sure we have them in the country at present. Note the word....pace" Its interesting how soft you are on McEntee and how you try to put pressure on Sligoman Henry.
There will be a mixed reaction to McEntee being retained rightly so, but there will be very positive reaction to Henry continuing.
What do you mean by the "You know the saying about the devil you know is better than the devil you don't"
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Because of all games at the same time Tubber & Curry will have to play as the looser gets relegated. That's a real Southern dearly.
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Replying To MrUnderhill: "Because of all games at the same time Tubber & Curry will have to play as the looser gets relegated. That's a real Southern dearly." Not true. If Tubber win or draw and Farnans lose, Farnans go down.
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Replying To Sligonian: "Its interesting how soft you are on McEntee and how you try to put pressure on Sligoman Henry.
There will be a mixed reaction to McEntee being retained rightly so, but there will be very positive reaction to Henry continuing.
What do you mean by the "You know the saying about the devil you know is better than the devil you don't"" I don't believe I'm soft on MC Entee.
His job was to get us out of Div 4 and he did that.
The draw for the championship meant that we should get to the Connacht final and we ticked that box.
That put us up against much stronger teams, all bar one played in Div 1. Kildare were the exception and we drew with them . A lot of players were enticed back into the set up, there was really only one player that didn't commit and that's his business. MC Entee is well entitled to another year. There will be a few new lads coming in to the set up. Hopefully Davitt will join up (he was injured last year)
Henry is a terrific manager and has a proven track record. Approx 12 of the starting 15 from the U.20 final are eligible again next year. This brings its own pressures. People can very easily lose the run of themselves (ask any Mayo person )and forget that we are starting from scratch again. We have already lost one of those players for next year with a cruciate injury. Henry would be the first person to say that we need to manage our expectations carefully.
With regard to the devil you know bit.....
We all know what MC Enter is like, if he left we don't know who will come in. I doubt if Sloyane or MC Gowan are ready just yet or indeed may not want the job. Without naming names we have had some shocking appointments. Last year Limerick seem to have landed a top man who was actually favourite for the Mayo job but half way through the year they parted company. Something similar in Donegal.
I hope that clarifies my post and I'm leaving it at that.
I won't be getting into a tit for tat with you because that's what you want.
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Replying To eoinog: "I don't believe I'm soft on MC Entee.
His job was to get us out of Div 4 and he did that.
The draw for the championship meant that we should get to the Connacht final and we ticked that box.
That put us up against much stronger teams, all bar one played in Div 1. Kildare were the exception and we drew with them . A lot of players were enticed back into the set up, there was really only one player that didn't commit and that's his business. MC Entee is well entitled to another year. There will be a few new lads coming in to the set up. Hopefully Davitt will join up (he was injured last year)
Henry is a terrific manager and has a proven track record. Approx 12 of the starting 15 from the U.20 final are eligible again next year. This brings its own pressures. People can very easily lose the run of themselves (ask any Mayo person )and forget that we are starting from scratch again. We have already lost one of those players for next year with a cruciate injury. Henry would be the first person to say that we need to manage our expectations carefully.
With regard to the devil you know bit.....
We all know what MC Enter is like, if he left we don't know who will come in. I doubt if Sloyane or MC Gowan are ready just yet or indeed may not want the job. Without naming names we have had some shocking appointments. Last year Limerick seem to have landed a top man who was actually favourite for the Mayo job but half way through the year they parted company. Something similar in Donegal.
I hope that clarifies my post and I'm leaving it at that.
I won't be getting into a tit for tat with you because that's what you want." A couple of points to say, Davitt not injured, just wasn't asked and it's taken Kane 5 yrs and Mc Entee 3 years to "tick the box".... Would you put up with that "success" from likes of a Mc Gowan or Sloyane???
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Replying To onthefortyfive: "A couple of points to say, Davitt not injured, just wasn't asked and it's taken Kane 5 yrs and Mc Entee 3 years to "tick the box".... Would you put up with that "success" from likes of a Mc Gowan or Sloyane???" Davitt did the shoulder last back end. Wasn't available for Molaise Gaels in Connacht games. It's a notorious slow injury to heal and he concentrated on rehab to be fit for club action and he is flying. The question is about MC Entee not Keane. They were in the same package. The first year can be written off with Covid. Made Tailteann Cup semi final last year and improved again this year. No point going back on what happened over the last few years. We are where we are. Your fully entitled to your opinion and I respect it. That's what the forum is for.
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This is a bad decision by the county board. Sean Carroll hasnt got much wrong since he came un particularly at underage winning 3 connaught totles but this is a bad call. There seems to be no freshening up of the mgmt team eithe. Keane gets a 6th year, what has he done to for such loyalty - 1 promotion appears to be sufficient.
McEntee had no interest in calling up the first u20 group last year. The reliables were called on every game despite not been up to it. We need to integrate more of these lads into the county panel.
Eoing there is more than 1 player not interested in committing plus the late Red Og didnt want to play for him either. Unfortunately we appear to be stuck with him while some excellent coaches eithin the county have their pathway blocked and have taken jobs elsewhere.
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Replying To eoinog: "I don't believe I'm soft on MC Entee.
His job was to get us out of Div 4 and he did that.
The draw for the championship meant that we should get to the Connacht final and we ticked that box.
That put us up against much stronger teams, all bar one played in Div 1. Kildare were the exception and we drew with them . A lot of players were enticed back into the set up, there was really only one player that didn't commit and that's his business. MC Entee is well entitled to another year. There will be a few new lads coming in to the set up. Hopefully Davitt will join up (he was injured last year)
Henry is a terrific manager and has a proven track record. Approx 12 of the starting 15 from the U.20 final are eligible again next year. This brings its own pressures. People can very easily lose the run of themselves (ask any Mayo person )and forget that we are starting from scratch again. We have already lost one of those players for next year with a cruciate injury. Henry would be the first person to say that we need to manage our expectations carefully.
With regard to the devil you know bit.....
We all know what MC Enter is like, if he left we don't know who will come in. I doubt if Sloyane or MC Gowan are ready just yet or indeed may not want the job. Without naming names we have had some shocking appointments. Last year Limerick seem to have landed a top man who was actually favourite for the Mayo job but half way through the year they parted company. Something similar in Donegal.
I hope that clarifies my post and I'm leaving it at that.
I won't be getting into a tit for tat with you because that's what you want." The reason I say you are being soft is you want to justify McEntee being retained on surface level objectives. Of course you don't want to debate because you don't want anyone drilling down below that into specifics probably because you have an agenda. 3 or 4 lads use your account.
Those surface level objectives had far more to do with the calibre of opposition than McEntee or Keane developing or progressing the team.
We got promoted, did you see the results of Laois and Leitrim in the tailtean. They were the only 2 teams that could have caught us. Down 8-16 Laois 2-12. Leitrim finished bottom of their group without winning a game.
As for the Connacht final achievement, 28 other counties would have achieved the same. The bare minimum. We need to set our sights and standards higher and the County Board statement alludes to this. It was well worded and you can sense the undertones.
I seen little development of players from the matches I watched. Basic skill level was pretty poor for some of the seniors. They didn't give much game time to u20s and it will be interesting to see how that goes next year with Canice, Daire and Dylan etc.. going in. I wouldn't say McEntee or Keane are the greatest communicators and have their favorites. Their match ups were atrocious against the bigger teams and player evaluation after 3 and 5 years remains poor. The match up on Tierney and Enda Smith defied belief, his team selection against Laois. Certain players regressed under them and hopefully they can regain form with their clubs. It will be interesting to see who they ask in from the club championship. You talked about pace and I just look at how they are using Mark Walsh and it galls me. There doesn't seem to be a measurable clear pathway for players into the starting team. I sense personality plays a big part. Heaven forbid you are a quiet assassin.
I think there is far more pressure on McEntee next year because he won't get away with the mistakes he made this year or the tactical or team selection errors. The support for the seniors was poor this year for a few reasons.
In terms of other options, McGowan may not want to be a manager, I don't know the Tourlestrane lads on here should give us some insight but if he did and interviewed very well I'd be giving him the job tomorrow, his experience with Tourlestrane for years and Clare and Roscommon is plenty to bring into the Sligo senior manager role. He has always maximised where he is at and I have only heard good things. Timing is key because Henry and Mitchell are surely a future senior management ticket too. Selector options Sloyane, O Hara and I am interested to see how Mark Brehony does with Marys again this year. Hopefully the next Sligo Manager will have Caroline Currid involved as well.
As for the u20s Henry and Mitchell have worked wonders at underage. Last year was even more impressive given the schools success would have impacted early integration. The round robin is ok because the best team usually comes out on top. Remember Kildare lost to Westmeath in the opening round last year. If its knockout we are at home to the big dogs so you'd like to think we can push on. Either way this group have always responded well to the most pressure and they have a incredible pool of players. Pressure is a privilege simple as that. Once the players keep working hard on their own game and physique we should be fine. You have to trust in that this group are improving as they get older.
All that being said we have to accept McEntee for another year but my tolerance is very low with regards his basic mistakes he makes. He wouldn't get away with that in Armagh that's for sure.
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McEntee by right should be kept on. I personally amnt a fan of him or his approach but he achieved all the goals set out for him this year. I'd like to see a freshening up of management if we do not get promotion next year. There should be no more morale victories in Sligo. Either achieve or leave. And to be fair McEntee achieved everything he had to. Whether we like it or not. He needs to get new players in after the club championship. He needs to get lads who won't commit to commit. And our county board should be doing everything to do so.
Henry gets charge of the u20s again and deservedly so. As Eoinog said there will be an expectation on this team from outside the camp now but the players always had an expectation on themselves so won't be afraid of that.
Massive-week of club football ahead. Could we see Tubbercurry save their div 1 status against their local rivals. Curry by results are unfortunate to be there. Close scoring games but falling short on the scoreboard. Farnans also are under a lot of pressure to get a win because the south sligo derby could easily throw up a surprise.
At the top of the table it's still all to play for and could tourlestrane sneak into a county final. Shamrock Gaels and Mary's are also battling for the top spot.
The 3 points rule has made everything closer this year and left more to play for. On a normal year relegation and finalists would've been finalised a round or two ago.
Coolaney/Mullinabreena and Eastern harps have promotion in their hands. Easkey are hanging around waiting for a collapse. It's all to play for at the top there. Castleconnor secured their div 2 status for next year last night with a win and at the bottom it's very tight also.
Looking forward to a great weekend of football, checking the phone during the matches for scores, And all the drama that goes with it. If anything, it's starting to bring a championship feel. Especially with all of the games in div 2 throwing in at 1 and the div 1 throwing in at 3.30. Fair play to the county board on that one.
Sligeach Abú!!!
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Replying To Sligobuck21: "McEntee by right should be kept on. I personally amnt a fan of him or his approach but he achieved all the goals set out for him this year. I'd like to see a freshening up of management if we do not get promotion next year. There should be no more morale victories in Sligo. Either achieve or leave. And to be fair McEntee achieved everything he had to. Whether we like it or not. He needs to get new players in after the club championship. He needs to get lads who won't commit to commit. And our county board should be doing everything to do so.
Henry gets charge of the u20s again and deservedly so. As Eoinog said there will be an expectation on this team from outside the camp now but the players always had an expectation on themselves so won't be afraid of that.
Massive-week of club football ahead. Could we see Tubbercurry save their div 1 status against their local rivals. Curry by results are unfortunate to be there. Close scoring games but falling short on the scoreboard. Farnans also are under a lot of pressure to get a win because the south sligo derby could easily throw up a surprise.
At the top of the table it's still all to play for and could tourlestrane sneak into a county final. Shamrock Gaels and Mary's are also battling for the top spot.
The 3 points rule has made everything closer this year and left more to play for. On a normal year relegation and finalists would've been finalised a round or two ago.
Coolaney/Mullinabreena and Eastern harps have promotion in their hands. Easkey are hanging around waiting for a collapse. It's all to play for at the top there. Castleconnor secured their div 2 status for next year last night with a win and at the bottom it's very tight also.
Looking forward to a great weekend of football, checking the phone during the matches for scores, And all the drama that goes with it. If anything, it's starting to bring a championship feel. Especially with all of the games in div 2 throwing in at 1 and the div 1 throwing in at 3.30. Fair play to the county board on that one.
Sligeach Abú!!!" All last round games have to start at the same time so it's nothing new to Sligo County Board but yes an interesting weekend ahead and will be very interesting to compare the proper table against this 3 pointer one
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The first of the league finals are this evening. It really pisses me off to see a cover charge for Div 4A and 4B finals. All you are doing is roasting the poor people who coming out to support the club's second team.. Div 4 is a pretty poor standard.
A lot of Div 1 and Div 2 teams have a lot to play for on Sunday. Molaise will hammer the Bunnies and will finish up the campaign with more than a 100 + of a score difference which is some achievement. Mary's will also win and that will be the league final. Don't think Shamrock Gaels have a foot to stand on if they are considering an objection. The club's voted for this. If they or other clubs are unhappy then they need to make their feelings known well in advance of next year's competition. Any team with nothing to play for will probably give the panel members a run so it's difficult to predict what Tourlestrane team will take to the field which will suit Farnans. Likewise Coolera have nothing to play for.Otherwise the big game is Curry/Tubber. I think Curry will win and that's relegation for Tubber.
As Castleconnor are safe you would expect Coolaney to win that one. Owenmore Gaels threw the proverbial kitchen sink at Castleconnor on Thursday evening but still lost. They will be very deflated and know that if they beat Harps they could still get relegated. I think Harps will win that. Ballymote could beat Geevagh as once again it's extremely unlikely that Geevagh will get promoted. Easkey and Pat's should be tasty. A west Div game where a win for Easkey could see them pickpock Harps or Coolaney if they slip up. Should be an interesting weekend.
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How leagues would have finished under normal rules:
Division 3
St Molaise 14
Enniscrone 14
Shamrock Gaels 12
Cloonacool 10
St John's 8
Curry 4
Eastern Harps 4
St Marys 3
Tourlestrane 3
There were some points deducted I believe so not sure if this was done in other years or not. The order as a result was changed at the bottom of the table.
Division 2
Coolaney/Mull 15
Eastern Harps 15
Easkey 12
Drumcliffe 10
Geevagh 10
Ballymote 8
St Pats 7
Castleconnor 7
Owenmore Gaels 4
St Michael's 2
Same teams would have been promoted and relegated. Castleconnor however were the big beneficiaries of this rule change as they went from 8th to 6th. Harps had they lost today and were doing so at half time, would have lost out to Easkey who lost more games than them. Drumcliffe would have switched places with Geevagh on the official table but still a bad league again from them.
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Replying To Sligoman1234: "How leagues would have finished under normal rules:
Division 3
St Molaise 14
Enniscrone 14
Shamrock Gaels 12
Cloonacool 10
St John's 8
Curry 4
Eastern Harps 4
St Marys 3
Tourlestrane 3
There were some points deducted I believe so not sure if this was done in other years or not. The order as a result was changed at the bottom of the table.
Division 2
Coolaney/Mull 15
Eastern Harps 15
Easkey 12
Drumcliffe 10
Geevagh 10
Ballymote 8
St Pats 7
Castleconnor 7
Owenmore Gaels 4
St Michael's 2
Same teams would have been promoted and relegated. Castleconnor however were the big beneficiaries of this rule change as they went from 8th to 6th. Harps had they lost today and were doing so at half time, would have lost out to Easkey who lost more games than them. Drumcliffe would have switched places with Geevagh on the official table but still a bad league again from them." How Division 1 would have finished
St Molaise Gaels 15
St Marys 15
Shamrock Gaels 14
Tourlestrane 13
Coolera 9
Calry 6
Tubbercurry 6
Curry 5
St Farnans 5
Bunninadden 2
Be interesting to see what will happen now as Shamrock Gaels are tied under the new rule with Marys and Molaise and as one poster put up they believe they should qualify based on points available in their games against Marys and Molaise. Wouldn't have been an issue in normal system. Same two teams would have been relegated.
Calry, Coolera and Shamrock Gaels the big winners with the change gaining 3 and 4 points. If ever there was an argument for 8 team league then the difference between the top teams and bottoms in this division proves it. There's not much between any of the bottom 4/5 sides who year on year will be trying to avoid relegation rather than reach a league final. The huge score differences also tell the tale of gulf in class. You'd expect them in an underage table but not the premier adult one.
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Replying To Sligoman1234: "How Division 1 would have finished
St Molaise Gaels 15
St Marys 15
Shamrock Gaels 14
Tourlestrane 13
Coolera 9
Calry 6
Tubbercurry 6
Curry 5
St Farnans 5
Bunninadden 2
Be interesting to see what will happen now as Shamrock Gaels are tied under the new rule with Marys and Molaise and as one poster put up they believe they should qualify based on points available in their games against Marys and Molaise. Wouldn't have been an issue in normal system. Same two teams would have been relegated.
Calry, Coolera and Shamrock Gaels the big winners with the change gaining 3 and 4 points. If ever there was an argument for 8 team league then the difference between the top teams and bottoms in this division proves it. There's not much between any of the bottom 4/5 sides who year on year will be trying to avoid relegation rather than reach a league final. The huge score differences also tell the tale of gulf in class. You'd expect them in an underage table but not the premier adult one." It's always and forever been the way that when more than one teams are tied, that scoring difference is the deciding factor. Why would or should it be any different now?
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Replying To ShellyGael: "It's always and forever been the way that when more than one teams are tied, that scoring difference is the deciding factor. Why would or should it be any different now?" I agree with you but I think their argument is that depending on when you played them the games were worth 2/3 and if you take the three teams in isolation Shamrock Gaels faired out better.
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Replying To Sligoman1234: "I agree with you but I think their argument is that depending on when you played them the games were worth 2/3 and if you take the three teams in isolation Shamrock Gaels faired out better." You would be embarrassed putting that argument forward in fairness.
On a serious note, was this years leagues not the best in some time? I can't recall the top and bottom of our main leagues being so tight all the way through in 10+ years. Whinging and moaning about GAA is a national sport now and it has seeped into this forum. We won zero underage titles from 1968 to 2021 and we have won 3 since yet posters here have the knives out.
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Why were Curry docked points in Div 3
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Replying To ShellyGael: "You would be embarrassed putting that argument forward in fairness.
On a serious note, was this years leagues not the best in some time? I can't recall the top and bottom of our main leagues being so tight all the way through in 10+ years. Whinging and moaning about GAA is a national sport now and it has seeped into this forum. We won zero underage titles from 1968 to 2021 and we have won 3 since yet posters here have the knives out." But sure it wasn't tight…the score differences tell you that. Artificially making it look tight by giving 3 points for rounds 5-9 brought up teams to make it look better for them but results speak for themselves. There's 3/4 teams that could have been picked out from the beginning in each division in with a shout and then it's a relegation merry go round below them.
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Replying To ShellyGael: "You would be embarrassed putting that argument forward in fairness.
On a serious note, was this years leagues not the best in some time? I can't recall the top and bottom of our main leagues being so tight all the way through in 10+ years. Whinging and moaning about GAA is a national sport now and it has seeped into this forum. We won zero underage titles from 1968 to 2021 and we have won 3 since yet posters here have the knives out." Ocean FM have it now…Marys v Shamrock Gaels in league final…what a joke and it's all down to the wise owls we have in Sligo. That should spell the end of the 3 pointers going forward and perhaps those who came up with it. The best team of the league who lost just one game and have +96 of a score difference are now third!
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Replying To Sligoman1234: "Ocean FM have it now…Marys v Shamrock Gaels in league final…what a joke and it's all down to the wise owls we have in Sligo. That should spell the end of the 3 pointers going forward and perhaps those who came up with it. The best team of the league who lost just one game and have +96 of a score difference are now third!" That rule is baffling alright, can't see why scoring difference wasn't the deciding factor.
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