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How much of it is down to us not having the players and how much is management? I know the coach you are referring to is connected within the current hierarchy. I don't really want to harp on this one negative but I agree its not good to let the standards drop again, we are worst team in Connacht at U17 level, far from the big dog. Hopefully the board step in and conduct a full investigation on why this occurred, get rid of the rotten eggs and put us in a position to win again next year. I always go back to Ros, they are a division 1 team because they never let their standards drop at underage level.
republican (Sligo) - Posts: 326 - 08/05/2023 15:34:53 2476779 Link 0 |
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Taking Dublin and Derry out of the equation, there is even a massive gulf between Div 1 and Div 2, never mind Div 1 and 4. As Rosocmmon only know too well over the past ten years. Now I'd say Kildare are a lot closer than any of the other Div 2 teams that didn't get promoted. Look at some of the results already. Kerry demolished Clare, Armagh bet Down, Antrim and Cavan handy. Derry swatted away Fermanagh. Dublin and Laois! The only exception was Down beating a Donegal team who are at rock bottom. The gap is vast and Sligo need to get up to Div 2 in the next few years to coincide with those talented u20s coming through to allow them to start playing against better opposition. You would wonder about PEDs. It's elite level sport, the stakes are massive. Team sports don't seem to get the same heat as individual sports when it comes to it but the same temptations are there. Especially when you consider how important the conditioning side of it is. I'd guess there's little or no testing done. MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 784 - 08/05/2023 15:43:37 2476782 Link 0 |
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Management. That u17 team has some of the strongest minor club teams sligo has seen. In particular Eastern Harps. St. Mary's and DRP also. I've no doubt atleast 2 if not 3 of them lads will start for the u20s next year. Walsh and Carty look very impressive. This team won the Manning cup if I'm not mistaken. I know the level is different. But tactically is where we have lost games this year. The lads aren't being prepared enough by management with what they need in order to win these championship matches. I think think the management have to take the hit on this one. There was high hopes for this minor team and they have been let down. The u20 match has been pushed forward to 13:30. Still in Breffni Park, Cavan. A replay of last years semi final. The injuries and lads out are a massive blow but everyone, myself included, is confident of a Sligo victory. No reason to fear. Sligeach Abú! Sligobuck21 (Sligo) - Posts: 114 - 08/05/2023 16:53:34 2476806 Link 0 |
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That minor team is down their best player in Rooney from last year and Kenny. They could have made a massive difference.
Anto (Sligo) - Posts: 345 - 08/05/2023 18:00:05 2476842 Link 0 |
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I know Sligo have a right to host Kildare in the senior but would they not be better playing a double header with the under 20s? skirge7 (UK) - Posts: 248 - 09/05/2023 08:54:16 2476924 Link 1 |
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Was thinking similar but checked the dates. U20 final in Breffni on 13th and Round Robin game in Markievicz on 21st. Don't think it's feasible to move U20 final or bring seniors forward a week when they're training for a week later. Better for Sligo seniors to play at home anyway. Can Kildare and Sligo U20s players be added to senior squad after U20 final?
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7344 - 09/05/2023 10:00:11 2476928 Link 0 |
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There is nothing about this Galway team that screams out PEDs. We have seen the likes of Walsh, Comer, Daly, McDaid all come through underage and Galway have spent over a decade building this current team. Bringing in Cian O'Neill as a coach has helped them kick on to the next level I think regardless of what controls the GAA bring in, stopping individual lads taking stuff in order to break into a panel is near impossible but I don't think it is a huge problem Dublin were a step above everyone a few years ago but it seems that it was just an unbelievable group of players came through at the same time or else for some reason they decided not to put their current young players on the same program muscles (Sligo) - Posts: 442 - 09/05/2023 10:41:59 2476956 Link 0 |
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Yes, as there's more than 7 days between the two games. They'd be free to play senior if needed.
WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2040 - 09/05/2023 10:43:22 2476957 Link 1 |
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Yes they would but listening to McEntee on OTB, he basically indicated he wouldn't be bringing in any of the u20s this year and that they deserved some time off after their campaign. Not suprising considering he hasn't given much playing time to last year's u20s who came through and he seems content with his current panel.
muscles (Sligo) - Posts: 442 - 09/05/2023 10:54:57 2476960 Link 0 |
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I wasn't pointing a finger at Galway but in general there is a more of a risk of them being used now. We just don't know how big of an issue it is. Paul Kimmage reckons it's bigger in team sports than we think but all the attention goes to athletics and cycling.
MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 784 - 09/05/2023 11:06:59 2476964 Link 0 |
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The minor team losing 2 players to soccer is a blow but we knew that months ago so it wasn't a sudden surprise before the championship. If someone said here on this page a month ago that we would beat Kerry in the All Ireland Semi final with no Mulligan, Henry or Walsh would anyone believe it ? We have often had poor teams but you would have a few players playing well. That's not happening with the minors. One lad kicked his second point from play against Leitrim was immediately substituted and the player that came on was withdrawn 10 mins later. No one appears to know what tactics are employed or if indeed there's anything planned. To compete at senior level we need a steady supply of players coming through, we won Connacht last year, All Ireland Finalists (minimum) this year and next year's team is the team that actually won the minor championship. Next year's team will also have the bonus of playing all games in Markievicz Park due to the home and away agreement. We need to keep the conveyor belt moving. There was never as much interest in GAA as there is at the moment in Sligo. Some of last year's U.20 team hit the states after the competition finished up and I expect the same thing will happen this year. IMO the U.20 calender has been too condensed.
eoinog (Sligo) - Posts: 1656 - 09/05/2023 11:52:14 2476987 Link 0 |
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I spoke with a Dublin GAA high level club player in Dublin Airport on Sunday night and he told me that Steriods are being used big time. He even said they are going to clinics taking something that is "under the radar" and he named the stuff. I do believe lads are taking stuff and I just hope it is not going to mess them up in future years. Everyone can see that certain teams are more like rugby teams. I won't name them as I have already had posts not passing administrator
thedreamer (Sligo) - Posts: 52 - 09/05/2023 12:25:45 2476998 Link 0 |
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To be fair Galway seem to just have a current crop of big mobile units. They are the real deal and I am happy to have them as favourites this year for Sam. I just worry that the pressure nowadays with our amateur sport will cause some serious health issues in the future for our young players. i'm convinced it is a problem in our sport. The "top teams" in both codes are doing the same S&C as the lower teams and looking at the mismatches on the field, it comes down to body size. How can one player burst through his jersey doing the same S&C as his marker ? If you look at the U20's it looks way more like a level playing field. Come senior something very wierd unfolds with some teams
thedreamer (Sligo) - Posts: 52 - 09/05/2023 12:34:10 2477000 Link 1 |
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Would probably upset morale in the camp too if he brought in some U20s late in the season. Same for Kildare.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7344 - 09/05/2023 12:36:25 2477003 Link 0 |
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I think its also another great sign of how far we have come. Excellent decision to leave the under 20's go back to their clubs and enjoy the aftermath of the great year. I years gone by we would bring 4/5 of them in to the starting team
republican (Sligo) - Posts: 326 - 09/05/2023 14:25:13 2477032 Link 0 |
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That's very concerning but not at all surprising. These substances are being used by a lot of young lads big into the gym even aside from GAA. The temptation must be huge.
MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 784 - 09/05/2023 14:31:06 2477034 Link 0 |
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I guess you are only referring to the 'big dogs' at home next year as if we play Leitrim next year, it is due to be an away game
muscles (Sligo) - Posts: 442 - 09/05/2023 15:14:13 2477050 Link 0 |
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You are indeed correct. I can't remember when Sligo played Leitrim at that age group or where the venue was but I figured I would be corrected fairly fast if I was wrong . That's what happened))
eoinog (Sligo) - Posts: 1656 - 09/05/2023 15:44:21 2477063 Link 1 |
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On the PED issue, I have no doubt there are players all over the country taking stuff they shouldn't be. WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2040 - 09/05/2023 19:28:19 2477127 Link 0 |
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Very well put. I would say that is where it is at. I'd say the team set ups both club and county just turn a blind eye to a fella who has seemed to gain way more than what the rest of the panel have, I would say that we will probably get a run of failed tests if the testers decide to have a serious look at GAA. Who tests these athletes ? Is it done in house by GAA or by overall sports body in Ireland ? If guy fails one, does the team get punished ?
thedreamer (Sligo) - Posts: 52 - 11/05/2023 11:12:02 2477535 Link 0 |