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Replying To supersub15: "Did he not leave Wicklow before his term was up.?" And he'd leave Roscommon for Carlow?
Stop posting nonsense.
CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 723 - 30/06/2024 12:07:34
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Replying To CARPS: "And he'd leave Roscommon for Carlow?
Stop posting nonsense." Well said.
Overthebar53 (Carlow) - Posts: 284 - 30/06/2024 15:55:59
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I'd say Joe Murphy will be on the list, as posted before probably unlikely to take it. Would he even be in the mix in some capacity in the new Kildare management team ? TOB would be game I'd say … but let's get real, Carlow would not be a plum gig so expectations need to be tempered here
Bainisteoir (National) - Posts: 561 - 30/06/2024 21:10:19
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Replying To Bainisteoir: "I'd say Joe Murphy will be on the list, as posted before probably unlikely to take it. Would he even be in the mix in some capacity in the new Kildare management team ? TOB would be game I'd say … but let's get real, Carlow would not be a plum gig so expectations need to be tempered here" Turlough has no interest. You can rule him out. Word is the county board don't want Joe Murphy or Stephen Poacher.
CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 723 - 30/06/2024 21:42:23
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Replying To CARPS: "He has a three year term with Roscommon. Don't be silly." I was merely responding to your statement by asking the question, as in, "Did he not leave Wicklow before his term was up.? " I meant that as a question that is why I added the question mark. Now who's being silly.?
supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 3049 - 01/07/2024 21:20:37
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Replying To supersub15: "I was merely responding to your statement by asking the question, as in, "Did he not leave Wicklow before his term was up.? " I meant that as a question that is why I added the question mark. Now who's being silly.?" We never got any real explanation as to why he left us. The Kildare job was already spoken for. Whispers of disappointment with his mandate from the powers that be. Y the way, I am impressed with the level of participation and the points raised on your forum. It shows a real interest and appetite for change in mindsets which is refreshing. Keep the contributions up.
Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 1264 - 02/07/2024 08:37:50
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Hi all,
New to this forum however have followed the thread over the years with great interest.
With all the restructuring of competitions, ups and downs of clubs and general disgruntlment I don't understand why the County Board and clubs don't tear down the whole structure and build it back up so that there are solid foundations in place to benefit county teams and also individual clubs not to mention to give equal participation and opportunities for underage players. A chance to compete with stronger counties.
Carlow could lead the new way where rural clubs don't fall away and prevent a "super club" imbalance.
A more competitiveness nature could be reborn with the community spirit of the GAA could attract new customers, volunteers and sponsors.
There has already been a wealth of suggestions on this form so I don't claim to be the original thinker on these ideas, but what is missing is overall greater cohesion between clubs, county boards and underage systems. I hope this sparks a debate and all inputs welcome. Maybe it's too idealistic. That's for everyone to decide.
Proposal
- In Carlow only dual clubs exist, not football/hurling only clubs. Mandatory to offer both.
- Responsibility of all clubs to develop players all levels and ages
- Mix of strategies , area clubs/ amalgamations
- Re-draw club borders to have a 16+ "super clubs" compromise
- Rural clubs amalgamate, town teams area clubs based on school or address
- Offer Graiguecullen back in on condition they offer hurling, one chance only
A very long term plan that is an exciting project for all to restructure, revitalise and gives the best hope for club and county GAA. Taking on the responsibility to keep hurling alive and not to let football to become too imbalanced.
Clubs
St.Mullins GAA
Borris MLR
Bagenalstown Gaels
Myshall GAA
Fenagh/ Ballinkillen
Clonegal/ Kildavin
Ballon/ Rathoe / Fighting Cocks/ Kilbride
Tullow/ Grange
Rathvilly GAA
Hacketstown/ Clonmore GAA
Paletine/ Tinryland
St Fintins Ballinabrannagh
Leighlins ( leighlinbridge/ Old Leighlins)
O Hanrahans, asca join with Carlow town hurling
Eire og join setanta
Graiguecullen (conditionally)
Mandatory for all Clubs
- offer both codes
- minimum x1 adult team
- minor team
- camogie and ladies football U/14 +
- all grass roots teams U/6 to U/16
- clubhouse that serves food and drink ( community hub)
Salmon_of_Knowledge (Carlow) - Posts: 2 - 03/07/2024 21:12:16
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Replying To Salmon_of_Knowledge: "Hi all,
New to this forum however have followed the thread over the years with great interest.
With all the restructuring of competitions, ups and downs of clubs and general disgruntlment I don't understand why the County Board and clubs don't tear down the whole structure and build it back up so that there are solid foundations in place to benefit county teams and also individual clubs not to mention to give equal participation and opportunities for underage players. A chance to compete with stronger counties.
Carlow could lead the new way where rural clubs don't fall away and prevent a "super club" imbalance.
A more competitiveness nature could be reborn with the community spirit of the GAA could attract new customers, volunteers and sponsors.
There has already been a wealth of suggestions on this form so I don't claim to be the original thinker on these ideas, but what is missing is overall greater cohesion between clubs, county boards and underage systems. I hope this sparks a debate and all inputs welcome. Maybe it's too idealistic. That's for everyone to decide.
Proposal
- In Carlow only dual clubs exist, not football/hurling only clubs. Mandatory to offer both.
- Responsibility of all clubs to develop players all levels and ages
- Mix of strategies , area clubs/ amalgamations
- Re-draw club borders to have a 16+ "super clubs" compromise
- Rural clubs amalgamate, town teams area clubs based on school or address
- Offer Graiguecullen back in on condition they offer hurling, one chance only
A very long term plan that is an exciting project for all to restructure, revitalise and gives the best hope for club and county GAA. Taking on the responsibility to keep hurling alive and not to let football to become too imbalanced.
Clubs
St.Mullins GAA
Borris MLR
Bagenalstown Gaels
Myshall GAA
Fenagh/ Ballinkillen
Clonegal/ Kildavin
Ballon/ Rathoe / Fighting Cocks/ Kilbride
Tullow/ Grange
Rathvilly GAA
Hacketstown/ Clonmore GAA
Paletine/ Tinryland
St Fintins Ballinabrannagh
Leighlins ( leighlinbridge/ Old Leighlins)
O Hanrahans, asca join with Carlow town hurling
Eire og join setanta
Graiguecullen (conditionally)
Mandatory for all Clubs
- offer both codes
- minimum x1 adult team
- minor team
- camogie and ladies football U/14 +
- all grass roots teams U/6 to U/16
- clubhouse that serves food and drink ( community hub)" Failte isteach bradán feasa. Every club should actively promote both codes - I concur. Will probably never happen though, not in a prescribed way anyhow. Drop hurling walls in and see what happens? All the ball alleys are now gone (the best place for any young lad to learn solo)
Passer_By (Carlow) - Posts: 520 - 03/07/2024 23:30:07
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Replying To Salmon_of_Knowledge: "Hi all,
New to this forum however have followed the thread over the years with great interest.
With all the restructuring of competitions, ups and downs of clubs and general disgruntlment I don't understand why the County Board and clubs don't tear down the whole structure and build it back up so that there are solid foundations in place to benefit county teams and also individual clubs not to mention to give equal participation and opportunities for underage players. A chance to compete with stronger counties.
Carlow could lead the new way where rural clubs don't fall away and prevent a "super club" imbalance.
A more competitiveness nature could be reborn with the community spirit of the GAA could attract new customers, volunteers and sponsors.
There has already been a wealth of suggestions on this form so I don't claim to be the original thinker on these ideas, but what is missing is overall greater cohesion between clubs, county boards and underage systems. I hope this sparks a debate and all inputs welcome. Maybe it's too idealistic. That's for everyone to decide.
Proposal
- In Carlow only dual clubs exist, not football/hurling only clubs. Mandatory to offer both.
- Responsibility of all clubs to develop players all levels and ages
- Mix of strategies , area clubs/ amalgamations
- Re-draw club borders to have a 16+ "super clubs" compromise
- Rural clubs amalgamate, town teams area clubs based on school or address
- Offer Graiguecullen back in on condition they offer hurling, one chance only
A very long term plan that is an exciting project for all to restructure, revitalise and gives the best hope for club and county GAA. Taking on the responsibility to keep hurling alive and not to let football to become too imbalanced.
Clubs
St.Mullins GAA
Borris MLR
Bagenalstown Gaels
Myshall GAA
Fenagh/ Ballinkillen
Clonegal/ Kildavin
Ballon/ Rathoe / Fighting Cocks/ Kilbride
Tullow/ Grange
Rathvilly GAA
Hacketstown/ Clonmore GAA
Paletine/ Tinryland
St Fintins Ballinabrannagh
Leighlins ( leighlinbridge/ Old Leighlins)
O Hanrahans, asca join with Carlow town hurling
Eire og join setanta
Graiguecullen (conditionally)
Mandatory for all Clubs
- offer both codes
- minimum x1 adult team
- minor team
- camogie and ladies football U/14 +
- all grass roots teams U/6 to U/16
- clubhouse that serves food and drink ( community hub)" Would agree with this aside from palatine and tinryland, palatine are a big club they can stand alone, fielding 2 minor teams this year in div 1 and 2 believe they are doing so at all ages, nobody else in the county can do that. Ladies section going well there too.
Definitely should be two dual clubs in the town, at present we have 5 clubs and only 1 senior, no reason why we couldn't have 2 senior football teams and 2 senior hurling teams with a bit of work. It would be great for promotion of the games in the town. It would take a considerable effort to achieve that though. I'm not sure there is a great willingness there to either.
I think failing this which would be the ideal scenario something of a compromise needs to happen
Barrowsider (Carlow) - Posts: 1660 - 04/07/2024 12:05:22
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Replying To Salmon_of_Knowledge: "Hi all,
New to this forum however have followed the thread over the years with great interest.
With all the restructuring of competitions, ups and downs of clubs and general disgruntlment I don't understand why the County Board and clubs don't tear down the whole structure and build it back up so that there are solid foundations in place to benefit county teams and also individual clubs not to mention to give equal participation and opportunities for underage players. A chance to compete with stronger counties.
Carlow could lead the new way where rural clubs don't fall away and prevent a "super club" imbalance.
A more competitiveness nature could be reborn with the community spirit of the GAA could attract new customers, volunteers and sponsors.
There has already been a wealth of suggestions on this form so I don't claim to be the original thinker on these ideas, but what is missing is overall greater cohesion between clubs, county boards and underage systems. I hope this sparks a debate and all inputs welcome. Maybe it's too idealistic. That's for everyone to decide.
Proposal
- In Carlow only dual clubs exist, not football/hurling only clubs. Mandatory to offer both.
- Responsibility of all clubs to develop players all levels and ages
- Mix of strategies , area clubs/ amalgamations
- Re-draw club borders to have a 16+ "super clubs" compromise
- Rural clubs amalgamate, town teams area clubs based on school or address
- Offer Graiguecullen back in on condition they offer hurling, one chance only
A very long term plan that is an exciting project for all to restructure, revitalise and gives the best hope for club and county GAA. Taking on the responsibility to keep hurling alive and not to let football to become too imbalanced.
Clubs
St.Mullins GAA
Borris MLR
Bagenalstown Gaels
Myshall GAA
Fenagh/ Ballinkillen
Clonegal/ Kildavin
Ballon/ Rathoe / Fighting Cocks/ Kilbride
Tullow/ Grange
Rathvilly GAA
Hacketstown/ Clonmore GAA
Paletine/ Tinryland
St Fintins Ballinabrannagh
Leighlins ( leighlinbridge/ Old Leighlins)
O Hanrahans, asca join with Carlow town hurling
Eire og join setanta
Graiguecullen (conditionally)
Mandatory for all Clubs
- offer both codes
- minimum x1 adult team
- minor team
- camogie and ladies football U/14 +
- all grass roots teams U/6 to U/16
- clubhouse that serves food and drink ( community hub)" Not a bad vision if it could be phased in, fairly confident Graiguecullen would not rejoin, and Palatine and Tinryland would not join forces, Palatine could probably roll out hurling for all ages but it would be a tougher task for Tinryland.
Carlowrising (Carlow) - Posts: 144 - 04/07/2024 13:37:04
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Replying To Salmon_of_Knowledge: "Hi all,
New to this forum however have followed the thread over the years with great interest.
With all the restructuring of competitions, ups and downs of clubs and general disgruntlment I don't understand why the County Board and clubs don't tear down the whole structure and build it back up so that there are solid foundations in place to benefit county teams and also individual clubs not to mention to give equal participation and opportunities for underage players. A chance to compete with stronger counties.
Carlow could lead the new way where rural clubs don't fall away and prevent a "super club" imbalance.
A more competitiveness nature could be reborn with the community spirit of the GAA could attract new customers, volunteers and sponsors.
There has already been a wealth of suggestions on this form so I don't claim to be the original thinker on these ideas, but what is missing is overall greater cohesion between clubs, county boards and underage systems. I hope this sparks a debate and all inputs welcome. Maybe it's too idealistic. That's for everyone to decide.
Proposal
- In Carlow only dual clubs exist, not football/hurling only clubs. Mandatory to offer both.
- Responsibility of all clubs to develop players all levels and ages
- Mix of strategies , area clubs/ amalgamations
- Re-draw club borders to have a 16+ "super clubs" compromise
- Rural clubs amalgamate, town teams area clubs based on school or address
- Offer Graiguecullen back in on condition they offer hurling, one chance only
A very long term plan that is an exciting project for all to restructure, revitalise and gives the best hope for club and county GAA. Taking on the responsibility to keep hurling alive and not to let football to become too imbalanced.
Clubs
St.Mullins GAA
Borris MLR
Bagenalstown Gaels
Myshall GAA
Fenagh/ Ballinkillen
Clonegal/ Kildavin
Ballon/ Rathoe / Fighting Cocks/ Kilbride
Tullow/ Grange
Rathvilly GAA
Hacketstown/ Clonmore GAA
Paletine/ Tinryland
St Fintins Ballinabrannagh
Leighlins ( leighlinbridge/ Old Leighlins)
O Hanrahans, asca join with Carlow town hurling
Eire og join setanta
Graiguecullen (conditionally)
Mandatory for all Clubs
- offer both codes
- minimum x1 adult team
- minor team
- camogie and ladies football U/14 +
- all grass roots teams U/6 to U/16
- clubhouse that serves food and drink ( community hub)" Pal and tinryalnd joining more chance cycling to the moon lad
Carlowbushultra2021 (Carlow) - Posts: 4 - 04/07/2024 20:42:58
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Replying To Salmon_of_Knowledge: "Hi all,
New to this forum however have followed the thread over the years with great interest.
With all the restructuring of competitions, ups and downs of clubs and general disgruntlment I don't understand why the County Board and clubs don't tear down the whole structure and build it back up so that there are solid foundations in place to benefit county teams and also individual clubs not to mention to give equal participation and opportunities for underage players. A chance to compete with stronger counties.
Carlow could lead the new way where rural clubs don't fall away and prevent a "super club" imbalance.
A more competitiveness nature could be reborn with the community spirit of the GAA could attract new customers, volunteers and sponsors.
There has already been a wealth of suggestions on this form so I don't claim to be the original thinker on these ideas, but what is missing is overall greater cohesion between clubs, county boards and underage systems. I hope this sparks a debate and all inputs welcome. Maybe it's too idealistic. That's for everyone to decide.
Proposal
- In Carlow only dual clubs exist, not football/hurling only clubs. Mandatory to offer both.
- Responsibility of all clubs to develop players all levels and ages
- Mix of strategies , area clubs/ amalgamations
- Re-draw club borders to have a 16+ "super clubs" compromise
- Rural clubs amalgamate, town teams area clubs based on school or address
- Offer Graiguecullen back in on condition they offer hurling, one chance only
A very long term plan that is an exciting project for all to restructure, revitalise and gives the best hope for club and county GAA. Taking on the responsibility to keep hurling alive and not to let football to become too imbalanced.
Clubs
St.Mullins GAA
Borris MLR
Bagenalstown Gaels
Myshall GAA
Fenagh/ Ballinkillen
Clonegal/ Kildavin
Ballon/ Rathoe / Fighting Cocks/ Kilbride
Tullow/ Grange
Rathvilly GAA
Hacketstown/ Clonmore GAA
Paletine/ Tinryland
St Fintins Ballinabrannagh
Leighlins ( leighlinbridge/ Old Leighlins)
O Hanrahans, asca join with Carlow town hurling
Eire og join setanta
Graiguecullen (conditionally)
Mandatory for all Clubs
- offer both codes
- minimum x1 adult team
- minor team
- camogie and ladies football U/14 +
- all grass roots teams U/6 to U/16
- clubhouse that serves food and drink ( community hub)" I would think clubs do not offer both as there is little to no want for it. At the end of the day clubs will do what suits their own mindset. The parish in Ballon would show that, externally a lot of focus on bringing it all together but some of the clubs within the parish not wanting it so they stay a junior parish. If clubs with 100+ years history decide they are a football club only then that wont really change and if a club decides they want to stick it out on their own no county board will make them change it, it goes against the whole point of the GAA.
more4me (Carlow) - Posts: 106 - 05/07/2024 07:42:15
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Replying To Passer_By: " Replying To Salmon_of_Knowledge: "Hi all,
New to this forum however have followed the thread over the years with great interest.
With all the restructuring of competitions, ups and downs of clubs and general disgruntlment I don't understand why the County Board and clubs don't tear down the whole structure and build it back up so that there are solid foundations in place to benefit county teams and also individual clubs not to mention to give equal participation and opportunities for underage players. A chance to compete with stronger counties.
Carlow could lead the new way where rural clubs don't fall away and prevent a "super club" imbalance.
A more competitiveness nature could be reborn with the community spirit of the GAA could attract new customers, volunteers and sponsors.
There has already been a wealth of suggestions on this form so I don't claim to be the original thinker on these ideas, but what is missing is overall greater cohesion between clubs, county boards and underage systems. I hope this sparks a debate and all inputs welcome. Maybe it's too idealistic. That's for everyone to decide.
Proposal
- In Carlow only dual clubs exist, not football/hurling only clubs. Mandatory to offer both.
- Responsibility of all clubs to develop players all levels and ages
- Mix of strategies , area clubs/ amalgamations
- Re-draw club borders to have a 16+ "super clubs" compromise
- Rural clubs amalgamate, town teams area clubs based on school or address
- Offer Graiguecullen back in on condition they offer hurling, one chance only
A very long term plan that is an exciting project for all to restructure, revitalise and gives the best hope for club and county GAA. Taking on the responsibility to keep hurling alive and not to let football to become too imbalanced.
Clubs
St.Mullins GAA
Borris MLR
Bagenalstown Gaels
Myshall GAA
Fenagh/ Ballinkillen
Clonegal/ Kildavin
Ballon/ Rathoe / Fighting Cocks/ Kilbride
Tullow/ Grange
Rathvilly GAA
Hacketstown/ Clonmore GAA
Paletine/ Tinryland
St Fintins Ballinabrannagh
Leighlins ( leighlinbridge/ Old Leighlins)
O Hanrahans, asca join with Carlow town hurling
Eire og join setanta
Graiguecullen (conditionally)
Mandatory for all Clubs
- offer both codes
- minimum x1 adult team
- minor team
- camogie and ladies football U/14 +
- all grass roots teams U/6 to U/16
- clubhouse that serves food and drink ( community hub)" Failte isteach bradán feasa. Every club should actively promote both codes - I concur. Will probably never happen though, not in a prescribed way anyhow. Drop hurling walls in and see what happens? All the ball alleys are now gone (the best place for any young lad to learn solo)"
A better way to do it is this.
Pass two new by-laws.
1) A club that cannot field at minor and under 16 level cannot play in the senior or intermediate championships in a given year. That would mean they would be restricted to junior. Which gives them the choice of merging with another outfit, or keeping their identity, but only at a low level.
2) All clubs must offer both codes up to under 12. After that, they can choose whether to remain dual or stick to one. The child - having had the chance to play hurling and football - can move to a dual club if their original one refuses to facilitate both. The problem now is that kids in many parts of Carlow never get a chance to play hurling at all. And football is an afterthought in the likes of St Mullins.
Two examples. Picking the clubs concerned at random. Not having a go at them.
In case 1), Old Leighlin and would be forced to play JFC because they cannot field at underage. Players would have the option of leaving if they want to play senior or intermediate elsewhere, if Old Leighlin don't want to merge with another club(s). O'Hanrahan's would not be allowed to move to the IFC if they won the JFC this year, unless they sorted their underage next year.
in case 2), Carlow Town Hurling Club would have to offer football, and Asca would be obliged to play hurling, up to under 12. That would obviously mean clubs would have to start talking. Meanwhile, a child in Rathvilly would get a chance to hurl. However, If after 12s Rathvilly decide to stop, the young person can move to a dual club. So Rathvilly itself will have a serious choice to make.
I honestly think this is the best way to do it. "Encourage," don't force.
CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 723 - 06/07/2024 15:07:07
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Replying To CARPS: " Replying To Passer_By: "[quote=Salmon_of_Knowledge: "Hi all,
New to this forum however have followed the thread over the years with great interest.
With all the restructuring of competitions, ups and downs of clubs and general disgruntlment I don't understand why the County Board and clubs don't tear down the whole structure and build it back up so that there are solid foundations in place to benefit county teams and also individual clubs not to mention to give equal participation and opportunities for underage players. A chance to compete with stronger counties.
Carlow could lead the new way where rural clubs don't fall away and prevent a "super club" imbalance.
A more competitiveness nature could be reborn with the community spirit of the GAA could attract new customers, volunteers and sponsors.
There has already been a wealth of suggestions on this form so I don't claim to be the original thinker on these ideas, but what is missing is overall greater cohesion between clubs, county boards and underage systems. I hope this sparks a debate and all inputs welcome. Maybe it's too idealistic. That's for everyone to decide.
Proposal
- In Carlow only dual clubs exist, not football/hurling only clubs. Mandatory to offer both.
- Responsibility of all clubs to develop players all levels and ages
- Mix of strategies , area clubs/ amalgamations
- Re-draw club borders to have a 16+ "super clubs" compromise
- Rural clubs amalgamate, town teams area clubs based on school or address
- Offer Graiguecullen back in on condition they offer hurling, one chance only
A very long term plan that is an exciting project for all to restructure, revitalise and gives the best hope for club and county GAA. Taking on the responsibility to keep hurling alive and not to let football to become too imbalanced.
Clubs
St.Mullins GAA
Borris MLR
Bagenalstown Gaels
Myshall GAA
Fenagh/ Ballinkillen
Clonegal/ Kildavin
Ballon/ Rathoe / Fighting Cocks/ Kilbride
Tullow/ Grange
Rathvilly GAA
Hacketstown/ Clonmore GAA
Paletine/ Tinryland
St Fintins Ballinabrannagh
Leighlins ( leighlinbridge/ Old Leighlins)
O Hanrahans, asca join with Carlow town hurling
Eire og join setanta
Graiguecullen (conditionally)
Mandatory for all Clubs
- offer both codes
- minimum x1 adult team
- minor team
- camogie and ladies football U/14 +
- all grass roots teams U/6 to U/16
- clubhouse that serves food and drink ( community hub)" Failte isteach bradán feasa. Every club should actively promote both codes - I concur. Will probably never happen though, not in a prescribed way anyhow. Drop hurling walls in and see what happens? All the ball alleys are now gone (the best place for any young lad to learn solo)"
A better way to do it is this.
Pass two new by-laws.
1) A club that cannot field at minor and under 16 level cannot play in the senior or intermediate championships in a given year. That would mean they would be restricted to junior. Which gives them the choice of merging with another outfit, or keeping their identity, but only at a low level.
2) All clubs must offer both codes up to under 12. After that, they can choose whether to remain dual or stick to one. The child - having had the chance to play hurling and football - can move to a dual club if their original one refuses to facilitate both. The problem now is that kids in many parts of Carlow never get a chance to play hurling at all. And football is an afterthought in the likes of St Mullins.
Two examples. Picking the clubs concerned at random. Not having a go at them.
In case 1), Old Leighlin and would be forced to play JFC because they cannot field at underage. Players would have the option of leaving if they want to play senior or intermediate elsewhere, if Old Leighlin don't want to merge with another club(s). O'Hanrahan's would not be allowed to move to the IFC if they won the JFC this year, unless they sorted their underage next year.
in case 2), Carlow Town Hurling Club would have to offer football, and Asca would be obliged to play hurling, up to under 12. That would obviously mean clubs would have to start talking. Meanwhile, a child in Rathvilly would get a chance to hurl. However, If after 12s Rathvilly decide to stop, the young person can move to a dual club. So Rathvilly itself will have a serious choice to make.
I honestly think this is the best way to do it. "Encourage," don't force."]I agree with you that clubs should be encouraged & not forced, but I think the rules you've suggested do force clubs hands.
I only know very high level of what happened with Burrin Rangers/Ballon/Cocks/Kilbride & get that each club would be protective of their own identity.
Leaving aside funding source (the biggest issue, I admit) the proposal would need to be that 2 GDO's (1 hurling, 1 football) are part funded from central funds (as is normal) along with a 'merger grant' & a support template for merging - e.g. trustees, new club committe structure, pitch allocation etc. The template would need to be tweaked for each individual proposal. Would also need to accept that no matter how attractive it's possible to make a proposal it just won't fly in certain areas.
In terms of finding a funding source, it would need to come from Croke Park or Leinster Council. Carlow definitely don't have the funds & are very unlikely to attract a sponsor with deep enough pockets. I believe an ambitious county board could get funding if it was planned out properly. If Portlaoise can be bailed out from central funds, a proposal that invests in future of games should be achievable - we just have to go out & argue for it.
Smokeless Red (Carlow) - Posts: 19 - 08/07/2024 20:12:37
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This is awful rubbish. Why would Carlow town offer football? They're a gurling club. Same with the football clubs.. Pal/Rathvilly/EO/OL people don't care about the future of Carlow hurling and if they do, they can go ahead to hurling clubs.
CW88 (Carlow) - Posts: 29 - 09/07/2024 06:18:53
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Replying To CW88: "This is awful rubbish. Why would Carlow town offer football? They're a gurling club. Same with the football clubs.. Pal/Rathvilly/EO/OL people don't care about the future of Carlow hurling and if they do, they can go ahead to hurling clubs." Tell us more about this strange activity you call Gurling, oh wise one?
CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 723 - 09/07/2024 09:47:55
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Replying To Salmon_of_Knowledge: "Hi all,
New to this forum however have followed the thread over the years with great interest.
With all the restructuring of competitions, ups and downs of clubs and general disgruntlment I don't understand why the County Board and clubs don't tear down the whole structure and build it back up so that there are solid foundations in place to benefit county teams and also individual clubs not to mention to give equal participation and opportunities for underage players. A chance to compete with stronger counties.
Carlow could lead the new way where rural clubs don't fall away and prevent a "super club" imbalance.
A more competitiveness nature could be reborn with the community spirit of the GAA could attract new customers, volunteers and sponsors.
There has already been a wealth of suggestions on this form so I don't claim to be the original thinker on these ideas, but what is missing is overall greater cohesion between clubs, county boards and underage systems. I hope this sparks a debate and all inputs welcome. Maybe it's too idealistic. That's for everyone to decide.
Proposal
- In Carlow only dual clubs exist, not football/hurling only clubs. Mandatory to offer both.
- Responsibility of all clubs to develop players all levels and ages
- Mix of strategies , area clubs/ amalgamations
- Re-draw club borders to have a 16+ "super clubs" compromise
- Rural clubs amalgamate, town teams area clubs based on school or address
- Offer Graiguecullen back in on condition they offer hurling, one chance only
A very long term plan that is an exciting project for all to restructure, revitalise and gives the best hope for club and county GAA. Taking on the responsibility to keep hurling alive and not to let football to become too imbalanced.
Clubs
St.Mullins GAA
Borris MLR
Bagenalstown Gaels
Myshall GAA
Fenagh/ Ballinkillen
Clonegal/ Kildavin
Ballon/ Rathoe / Fighting Cocks/ Kilbride
Tullow/ Grange
Rathvilly GAA
Hacketstown/ Clonmore GAA
Paletine/ Tinryland
St Fintins Ballinabrannagh
Leighlins ( leighlinbridge/ Old Leighlins)
O Hanrahans, asca join with Carlow town hurling
Eire og join setanta
Graiguecullen (conditionally)
Mandatory for all Clubs
- offer both codes
- minimum x1 adult team
- minor team
- camogie and ladies football U/14 +
- all grass roots teams U/6 to U/16
- clubhouse that serves food and drink ( community hub)" Welcome to the forum. I haven't posted in a while but it's always good to see new posters with new ideas and opinions. I haven't always agreed fully with every poster but that's what makes this forum interesting. I would love to see new emerging hurling clubs come about in the county, dual clubs would be great. I think in some areas where football is the only sport it will have to take off slowly, schools, underage club..but there has to be a willingness in those areas too. I have played both codes and would like nothing more than carlow to succeed at both but a huge onus is on people to put their collective shoulders to the wheel to improve and develop carlow gaa. I'm involved at coaching underage but can only coach whoever turns up on a given night.
Unusedsub (Carlow) - Posts: 90 - 11/07/2024 13:16:44
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Are Kilkenny clubs competing in the Carlow Minor Hurling Championship this year?
TaosHum (Carlow) - Posts: 250 - 23/07/2024 08:49:24
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Replying To TaosHum: "Are Kilkenny clubs competing in the Carlow Minor Hurling Championship this year?" I noticed that too. St Martins, Barrow Rangers and Clara are in group 1 of the minor championship. The more competitive games our teams get, it can only be a good thing.
Unusedsub (Carlow) - Posts: 90 - 23/07/2024 16:57:32
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Replying To Unusedsub: "I noticed that too. St Martins, Barrow Rangers and Clara are in group 1 of the minor championship. The more competitive games our teams get, it can only be a good thing." Couldn't Kilkenny just let these clubs transfer into Carlow and be done with it? We could do with a few more teams.
Because this year's championship has been beyond depressing. No Naomh Brid in the SHC or IHC; Myshall and Bagenalstown gone backwards (I know the town are missing lads).
The only chinks of light have been Ballinkillen holding their own in the SHC, and Kildavin competing in the IHC.
Looks like Burren will walk away with the JHC. But that table makes for grim reading when you see Naomh Brid's only team having lost 4 from 6, with a score difference of minus 34. That's really sad.
CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 723 - 23/07/2024 18:53:59
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