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Replying To Barrowsider:  "Not taking away from your achievement at all and well done any success is always welcome, I'm going to assume you were playing, so maybe you could give us some insight into what ye need to go from from B to A, it's easy for us to talk here but all we see is results we don't know the story behind them, it's notable you say against the odds a bit so that would indicate to me that your own set up could have been better, if you had a shopping list of what would have helped make that jump to the next level I'd be interested to read it."
For cbs to make the jump Witch is massive the standard in the B is still extremely good playing Ashbourne in the Leinster semi final
They had 5+ former Meath minor players
Also had one player who won Leinster minor championship with Dublin in 2022
Automatically they are going to be stronger than us with the level they have been playing at. And for some people who tend to say we have the pick of the clubs in the town and parts of graiugecullen and killeshin
If u really look at it we do not not going to name names but their are a handful of extremely talented players that live 5 minutes 10 min away from cbs who then decide to go to Knockbeg witch of course their preference but we do not get a full pick of every player from the clubs if we added 5 or 6 top players who play for top teams like palatine,Eire og, asca ext. I think would have been in the A and competing

Carlowbushultra2021 (Carlow) - Posts: 3 - 16/04/2024 15:52:24    2538371

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Replying To CARPS:  "That comment is beyond parody."
I went back to double check the facts, so we don't have to parody each other.

In terms of expenditure on county teams in 2023, Dublin were 7th (€1.45m ) & Mayo were 11th (€1.23m) . This is expenditure on preparation of hurling & football county teams at all grades. Breakdowns by code are not available. So although I overegged it a bit, the point still stands, on the assumption Mayos expenditure is more skewed to football than Dublins is, which is a reasonable assumption. Armagh have actually overtaken Mayo as the biggest spending county without a hurling team in the top 2 tiers (€1.28m) , so Armagh were the best resourced football team for 2023 by the same logic.

Interestingly, Carlow were 20th in 2023 (€980k), outspending the likes of Kilkenny, Kildare & Cavan. It represents a 57% increase on county team expenditure in 2022, Carlow were 30th, spending €621k. I assume the large increase in expenditure is related to Joe McDonagh Cup victory, but can't tell.
I'd need to double check, but Carlow spent 63% of total income in 2023 on county team preparation, which I think is the largest % of any county board.
Wicklow had a 90% increase in county team expenditure in 2023.

Smokeless Red (Carlow) - Posts: 15 - 17/04/2024 07:20:14    2538482

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Replying To Smokeless Red:  "I went back to double check the facts, so we don't have to parody each other.

In terms of expenditure on county teams in 2023, Dublin were 7th (€1.45m ) & Mayo were 11th (€1.23m) . This is expenditure on preparation of hurling & football county teams at all grades. Breakdowns by code are not available. So although I overegged it a bit, the point still stands, on the assumption Mayos expenditure is more skewed to football than Dublins is, which is a reasonable assumption. Armagh have actually overtaken Mayo as the biggest spending county without a hurling team in the top 2 tiers (€1.28m) , so Armagh were the best resourced football team for 2023 by the same logic.

Interestingly, Carlow were 20th in 2023 (€980k), outspending the likes of Kilkenny, Kildare & Cavan. It represents a 57% increase on county team expenditure in 2022, Carlow were 30th, spending €621k. I assume the large increase in expenditure is related to Joe McDonagh Cup victory, but can't tell.
I'd need to double check, but Carlow spent 63% of total income in 2023 on county team preparation, which I think is the largest % of any county board.
Wicklow had a 90% increase in county team expenditure in 2023."
Scary stuff.

Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 1055 - 17/04/2024 08:03:26    2538490

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Replying To Smokeless Red:  "I went back to double check the facts, so we don't have to parody each other.

In terms of expenditure on county teams in 2023, Dublin were 7th (€1.45m ) & Mayo were 11th (€1.23m) . This is expenditure on preparation of hurling & football county teams at all grades. Breakdowns by code are not available. So although I overegged it a bit, the point still stands, on the assumption Mayos expenditure is more skewed to football than Dublins is, which is a reasonable assumption. Armagh have actually overtaken Mayo as the biggest spending county without a hurling team in the top 2 tiers (€1.28m) , so Armagh were the best resourced football team for 2023 by the same logic.

Interestingly, Carlow were 20th in 2023 (€980k), outspending the likes of Kilkenny, Kildare & Cavan. It represents a 57% increase on county team expenditure in 2022, Carlow were 30th, spending €621k. I assume the large increase in expenditure is related to Joe McDonagh Cup victory, but can't tell.
I'd need to double check, but Carlow spent 63% of total income in 2023 on county team preparation, which I think is the largest % of any county board.
Wicklow had a 90% increase in county team expenditure in 2023."
I'd be interested to know how much of Mayo's expenditure goes on player mileage.

TaosHum (Carlow) - Posts: 236 - 17/04/2024 08:27:25    2538492

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Replying To Smokeless Red:  "I went back to double check the facts, so we don't have to parody each other.

In terms of expenditure on county teams in 2023, Dublin were 7th (€1.45m ) & Mayo were 11th (€1.23m) . This is expenditure on preparation of hurling & football county teams at all grades. Breakdowns by code are not available. So although I overegged it a bit, the point still stands, on the assumption Mayos expenditure is more skewed to football than Dublins is, which is a reasonable assumption. Armagh have actually overtaken Mayo as the biggest spending county without a hurling team in the top 2 tiers (€1.28m) , so Armagh were the best resourced football team for 2023 by the same logic.

Interestingly, Carlow were 20th in 2023 (€980k), outspending the likes of Kilkenny, Kildare & Cavan. It represents a 57% increase on county team expenditure in 2022, Carlow were 30th, spending €621k. I assume the large increase in expenditure is related to Joe McDonagh Cup victory, but can't tell.
I'd need to double check, but Carlow spent 63% of total income in 2023 on county team preparation, which I think is the largest % of any county board.
Wicklow had a 90% increase in county team expenditure in 2023."
Yes, your post is parody.

Do you really think Dublin only spends two times more than Carlow on GAA?

And you truly believe all spending relating to county teams, and their development, is contained inside 'official' annual declarations (and I emphasise the word 'official' there)?

Honestly?

Does Mayo have a seven figure annual main sponsorship deal?

Does Mayo have a full time CEO?

Does Mayo have a full time High Performance Manager?

Does Mayo play every consequential game at home?

How many full time coaches are there in Mayo, as opposed to Dublin?

For many years, the GAA effectively treated Dublin as a provincial council in terms of games development funding - how did it treat Mayo?

How many star players have Dublin lost to Aussie Rules in recent years? Isn't it curious that other counties keep losing great players, but the county with the best players, and widest pick, doesn't?

I could go on, but I will leave it there. There's truly one born every minute.

CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 633 - 17/04/2024 09:00:56    2538496

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Replying To CARPS:  "Yes, your post is parody.

Do you really think Dublin only spends two times more than Carlow on GAA?

And you truly believe all spending relating to county teams, and their development, is contained inside 'official' annual declarations (and I emphasise the word 'official' there)?

Honestly?

Does Mayo have a seven figure annual main sponsorship deal?

Does Mayo have a full time CEO?

Does Mayo have a full time High Performance Manager?

Does Mayo play every consequential game at home?

How many full time coaches are there in Mayo, as opposed to Dublin?

For many years, the GAA effectively treated Dublin as a provincial council in terms of games development funding - how did it treat Mayo?

How many star players have Dublin lost to Aussie Rules in recent years? Isn't it curious that other counties keep losing great players, but the county with the best players, and widest pick, doesn't?

I could go on, but I will leave it there. There's truly one born every minute."
You ask a lot of questions and you add some innuendo as well..
Perhaps you could answer all these questions yourself if you did some research

Facts are facts and for the fun I looked up the Mayo accounts. All verified and signed off on by independent auditors.
I am sure that Dublin accounts are the same.
We either trust independent auditors or we don't.
Dublin have managed their affairs well.
Why do you think that Dublin has so many coaches and why were they introduced and how are they paid?
Perhaps if you answer these questions you might understand their situation a little better.

carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1825 - 18/04/2024 11:41:49    2538807

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Replying To carlowman:  "You ask a lot of questions and you add some innuendo as well..
Perhaps you could answer all these questions yourself if you did some research

Facts are facts and for the fun I looked up the Mayo accounts. All verified and signed off on by independent auditors.
I am sure that Dublin accounts are the same.
We either trust independent auditors or we don't.
Dublin have managed their affairs well.
Why do you think that Dublin has so many coaches and why were they introduced and how are they paid?
Perhaps if you answer these questions you might understand their situation a little better."
The question was one of resources.

The original poster claimed that Mayo had more resources than Dublin for Gaelic Football.

I pointed out that they don't, and that such an assertion is laughable.

As for accounts, direct spending on county teams doesn't tell us anything. Given it's mostly made up of expense payments. And also Dublin's mileage compensation would be negligible, whereas a very large proportion of Mayo's spending would be on that.

It's comparing apples and oranges.

CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 633 - 18/04/2024 12:02:39    2538814

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Replying To carlowman:  "You ask a lot of questions and you add some innuendo as well..
Perhaps you could answer all these questions yourself if you did some research

Facts are facts and for the fun I looked up the Mayo accounts. All verified and signed off on by independent auditors.
I am sure that Dublin accounts are the same.
We either trust independent auditors or we don't.
Dublin have managed their affairs well.
Why do you think that Dublin has so many coaches and why were they introduced and how are they paid?
Perhaps if you answer these questions you might understand their situation a little better."
As for "innuendo," I am hardly the first person to notice that Dublin (who have the best players in Ireland, and thus should be the most vulnerable to poaching) don't seem to lose star personnel to Aussie Rules in the same way that other counties do.

CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 633 - 18/04/2024 12:05:56    2538817

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Replying To CARPS:  "As for "innuendo," I am hardly the first person to notice that Dublin (who have the best players in Ireland, and thus should be the most vulnerable to poaching) don't seem to lose star personnel to Aussie Rules in the same way that other counties do."
Because they're winning All Irelands and have a professional set up at county level. But a lot of the full time GPOs are part funded by the clubs, the county board pays only half their salary club membership covers the other half. A lot of smaller clubs in Dublin don't have a GPO

benchtoaster (Carlow) - Posts: 25 - 19/04/2024 01:08:27    2538950

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Replying To benchtoaster:  "Because they're winning All Irelands and have a professional set up at county level. But a lot of the full time GPOs are part funded by the clubs, the county board pays only half their salary club membership covers the other half. A lot of smaller clubs in Dublin don't have a GPO"
Amazing, isn't it? Kerry are also winning All-Ireland's but they keeping losing players to Australia.

CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 633 - 19/04/2024 08:33:40    2538954

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Replying To Barrowsider:  "Someone said to me before that nearly all the current senior team had at some stage being involved with an underage team although someone else contradicted that and said there are plenty on the current panel who had no involvement, for me the important question is are the key players form each squad going forward to senior that's a mixed bag, the average around the country is two from each squad, so if we look at our 2021 17s just 3 of them are starting at 20s, now that would be 4 I assume if oisin doyle was fit, the likeyhood is two of them will go on and play senior and establish themselves.

There might be a case for starting development squads later, maybe 16 17 18 19 would make more sense. At those ages lads are making those lifestyle choices that decide whether your going to be a potential senior footballer. Currently we have foals at 13 then colts 14s and 15s and i don't think it has proven to be beneficial to us or to most others. By starting at 16 it gives you extra year to work on a minor team, you're also catching players Currently in form not a young lad who was good at 13 and has just hung around a panel for the next 4 years.

Would be no harm identifying why the combined schools didn't work and maybe seeing could it be tried again with a better set up, again I wouldn't be looking to do that at 1st/2nd year just junior and senior with the emphasis on a competitive senior A team.

For all our issues, I watched the closing stages of the Carlow minor championship last year and I was very impressed with how it was contested eire og st martins palatine grange tinryland rathvilly kildavin and fenagh all had good footballers and were well set up. I don't think it's all hopeless, but I don't think we are getting the most out of what we have either."
Lads. I tried to ask this question last week! Any truth in the rumours that some of our senior footballers had a good ould blow out the weekend before Wexford game? Included some of the established players , then blame the performance on management and everyone else???

Carlowtothecore1 (Carlow) - Posts: 32 - 19/04/2024 09:45:46    2538966

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Replying To Carlowtothecore1:  "Lads. I tried to ask this question last week! Any truth in the rumours that some of our senior footballers had a good ould blow out the weekend before Wexford game? Included some of the established players , then blame the performance on management and everyone else???"
Plenty of rumours going around I heard that one too but id be surprised if it was true. Have heard there was some issues between management and players too but again its very hard to know either way. Probably not helpful fueling them either.

Barrowsider (Carlow) - Posts: 1615 - 19/04/2024 10:14:38    2538974

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Replying To CARPS:  "Amazing, isn't it? Kerry are also winning All-Ireland's but they keeping losing players to Australia."
If you had the choice to live in the back **** of Kerry and get blown out of it for 6 months of the year or Australia what would you choose?

benchtoaster (Carlow) - Posts: 25 - 19/04/2024 10:25:30    2538979

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Replying To benchtoaster:  "If you had the choice to live in the back **** of Kerry and get blown out of it for 6 months of the year or Australia what would you choose?"
Dublin, of course, is tropical paradise.

CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 633 - 19/04/2024 11:19:53    2538993

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Replying To CARPS:  "Dublin, of course, is tropical paradise."
It's a big city with plenty of employment, good social life and good services. Most Dubs don't ever leave Dublin. I've plenty of friends up there and one thing for sure is they love Dublin! So I'm not sure what exactly you're trying to get at.

benchtoaster (Carlow) - Posts: 25 - 19/04/2024 13:17:37    2539025

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Replying To benchtoaster:  "It's a big city with plenty of employment, good social life and good services. Most Dubs don't ever leave Dublin. I've plenty of friends up there and one thing for sure is they love Dublin! So I'm not sure what exactly you're trying to get at."
Kerry players don't have to live in the **** end of Kerry. They could, for example, move to... Dublin. Or Cork. Or Limerick. Or Tralee.

As for Dubs loving Dublin... the average price of a home is 430,000 Euro. You'd have to imagine Aussie Rules wages would be tempting for amateur players given the cost of living in Dublin. But they don't go.

They must love Dublin very, very much.

CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 633 - 19/04/2024 13:46:13    2539033

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I'm thinking of heading to Galway on Sunday for the match. Not expecting much but hopefully a decent performance to gain so confidence. A really bad beating could have an impact going forward. Carlow put up a really good showing the last time they played championship there, while not expecting a repeat a regain to some form would be great. Hopefully there'll be a decent travelling support for the team as they deserve it.

Unusedsub (Carlow) - Posts: 82 - 19/04/2024 13:50:29    2539034

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What are U20 hurlers like?

Redzer99 (Waterford) - Posts: 3 - 19/04/2024 14:23:25    2539043

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Replying To CARPS:  "Kerry players don't have to live in the **** end of Kerry. They could, for example, move to... Dublin. Or Cork. Or Limerick. Or Tralee.

As for Dubs loving Dublin... the average price of a home is 430,000 Euro. You'd have to imagine Aussie Rules wages would be tempting for amateur players given the cost of living in Dublin. But they don't go.

They must love Dublin very, very much."
Are you really trying to suggest that Dublin are paying players to play Gaelic football?

benchtoaster (Carlow) - Posts: 25 - 19/04/2024 14:24:47    2539044

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Replying To Carlowtothecore1:  "Lads. I tried to ask this question last week! Any truth in the rumours that some of our senior footballers had a good ould blow out the weekend before Wexford game? Included some of the established players , then blame the performance on management and everyone else???"
That's fair enough, but most on here are slating the management and co board, without knowing the full facts, and players not taking any responsibility. You could have M Harte managing but with ill disciplined players you'd be at nothing!

Carlowtothecore1 (Carlow) - Posts: 32 - 19/04/2024 21:34:06    2539129

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