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Replying To Onion Breath:  "Agree with that. It has been a poor standard league this year. Waterford were probably the worst county senior county team I ever saw in DCP a few weeks ago. I thought Wexford were poor enough also, and yet they beat us all over the park. We were steeped to be level with 12 minutes to go.

I can't see us lifting it now to beat Longford away in two weeks specially now they're on a roll. I think if other results all went our way and somehow we went up we'd be back down as quick like Wicklow."
I agree that the standard has been poor, it's not as if laois are div 1 material or anything, they have a 36 year old at centre back, but they're still well ahead of the rest. I firmly believe that we are being let down by poor management. This is a very young team with 2or3 exceptions. But they are all at sea especially if they go behind. There is no game plan apart from 14 behind the ball and then laborious build up play with no end product usually. No kickout strategy, no substitution strategy and the only defensive strategy is hope the opposition kick it wide. WexFord nearly obliged in that regard on Saturday before we allowed them free run of the pitch in the last ten minutes. He's been there 5 years and nothing has changed and nothing will.

Overthebar53 (Carlow) - Posts: 211 - 04/03/2024 12:06:31    2529684

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Replying To Overthebar53:  "I agree that the standard has been poor, it's not as if laois are div 1 material or anything, they have a 36 year old at centre back, but they're still well ahead of the rest. I firmly believe that we are being let down by poor management. This is a very young team with 2or3 exceptions. But they are all at sea especially if they go behind. There is no game plan apart from 14 behind the ball and then laborious build up play with no end product usually. No kickout strategy, no substitution strategy and the only defensive strategy is hope the opposition kick it wide. WexFord nearly obliged in that regard on Saturday before we allowed them free run of the pitch in the last ten minutes. He's been there 5 years and nothing has changed and nothing will."
Was at the game. You have some very good players. But you won less primary possession than any other team I can remember seeing. You badly need a couple of big lads in the middle.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12325 - 04/03/2024 12:56:48    2529709

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Teams are in Div 4 for a reason. Were we get promoted, we would struggle, along with most of our co Div 4 teams, no doubt, but that would be a 'first world problem' we could deal with then. We have two games to go, on paper we have every chance of winning these, let us see. We do need results elsewhere to go our way, but I say go down fighting. There is a break until 16th March let the squad regroup and work on where it must improve. However, we cannot shy away from the reality that we lack primary ball winners at this level and this IMHO is killing us. Difficult to strategise that problem away ...

Bainisteoir (National) - Posts: 541 - 04/03/2024 13:06:31    2529713

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Replying To Bainisteoir:  "Teams are in Div 4 for a reason. Were we get promoted, we would struggle, along with most of our co Div 4 teams, no doubt, but that would be a 'first world problem' we could deal with then. We have two games to go, on paper we have every chance of winning these, let us see. We do need results elsewhere to go our way, but I say go down fighting. There is a break until 16th March let the squad regroup and work on where it must improve. However, we cannot shy away from the reality that we lack primary ball winners at this level and this IMHO is killing us. Difficult to strategise that problem away ..."
Maybe, but playing the ball backwards when you're 5 down with 10 minutes to go isn't a plan.

Overthebar53 (Carlow) - Posts: 211 - 04/03/2024 13:41:08    2529723

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Carew needs the P45 at the end of the year lads it is as simple as that. 4 years in the job, very little progression. We have a decent group in there with some promising young footballers but the set up and tactics is very very poor at times. Even if we still manage to go up it is time for change. A few of the big reoccurring problems:

- We play too many players out of position (forwards in the backs and vice versa)
- We never push up on opposition kick outs. Yes we are a small team but you need to put them under pressure at times.
- No encouragement to break lines or play heads up football
- No strategy on our own kickout
- Lack of in game management - change things when needed and make subs quicker for god sake!

EireOgAbu (Carlow) - Posts: 17 - 04/03/2024 14:37:56    2529734

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Replying To Viking66:  "Was at the game. You have some very good players. But you won less primary possession than any other team I can remember seeing. You badly need a couple of big lads in the middle."
Unfortunately we don't have them atm.

Overthebar53 (Carlow) - Posts: 211 - 04/03/2024 14:43:40    2529738

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Replying To Onion Breath:  "Agree with that. It has been a poor standard league this year. Waterford were probably the worst county senior county team I ever saw in DCP a few weeks ago. I thought Wexford were poor enough also, and yet they beat us all over the park. We were steeped to be level with 12 minutes to go.

I can't see us lifting it now to beat Longford away in two weeks specially now they're on a roll. I think if other results all went our way and somehow we went up we'd be back down as quick like Wicklow."
Yeah I would say if we can't compete with laois or wexford we certainly won't with the division 3 teams. It might be for the best not to be promoted. The team does have some fairly serious shortcomings I'm not going to blame the current management for that, I think the dearth of talent is our own issue, we haven't produced a competitive minor 20/21 team in a generation
So I don't know how we expect to compete at senior. And to compound matters we have basically removed funding of our underage set up which is only going to exasperate the problems. I think if anything we should switch our funding away from senior football and invest in development squads for a few years to see can we generate some talent, in a small county with poor resources these are the choices we face

Barrowsider (Carlow) - Posts: 1602 - 04/03/2024 14:47:36    2529740

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Replying To Bainisteoir:  "Teams are in Div 4 for a reason. Were we get promoted, we would struggle, along with most of our co Div 4 teams, no doubt, but that would be a 'first world problem' we could deal with then. We have two games to go, on paper we have every chance of winning these, let us see. We do need results elsewhere to go our way, but I say go down fighting. There is a break until 16th March let the squad regroup and work on where it must improve. However, we cannot shy away from the reality that we lack primary ball winners at this level and this IMHO is killing us. Difficult to strategise that problem away ..."
But we have full time paid people to do that exact job at under age. Talent selection. Surely that's on of the first things you look at we seem to lack a cohesive pathway to senior

Barrowsider (Carlow) - Posts: 1602 - 04/03/2024 17:19:22    2529788

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Replying To Overthebar53:  "Unfortunately we don't have them atm."
You had some bigger lads in other lines especially at the back?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12325 - 04/03/2024 17:38:29    2529795

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Would it be worth appointing a new manager for the Tailtean cup to allow a bedding in phase? Yes, it would.

Brendan Murphy is back for the Longford match does anyone know? Apparently so.

Carlowrising (Carlow) - Posts: 130 - 04/03/2024 20:52:24    2529834

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Replying To Carlowrising:  "Would it be worth appointing a new manager for the Tailtean cup to allow a bedding in phase? Yes, it would.

Brendan Murphy is back for the Longford match does anyone know? Apparently so."
No manager is going to come in mid way during the season, forget about that. Re Murphy, I'd believe it when I'd see it -this rumour has been going around for months now with no substance to it as the evidence-to-date has borne out ....

Bainisteoir (National) - Posts: 541 - 04/03/2024 21:48:23    2529845

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Replying To Carlowrising:  "Would it be worth appointing a new manager for the Tailtean cup to allow a bedding in phase? Yes, it would.

Brendan Murphy is back for the Longford match does anyone know? Apparently so."
I think changing at the end of the season is time enough, that gives a new manager time to look at the championships, I'd be more concerned about who comes in than when they do.

As for brendan Murphy I'm not sure if your trolling or serious but as far as I know he hasn't even lined out for rathvilly yet this year so I would say the chances of him lining out against longford are similar to your own chances of.

Barrowsider (Carlow) - Posts: 1602 - 04/03/2024 22:30:27    2529856

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Long time listener, first time caller lads. I really think the issue is the standard of the game at club level tbh. If the standard isn't there it's not going to translate to a good county team. I'd travel around to a fair few games and watch the sessions that would be on beforehand while you'd be waiting for matches to start and I have to stay the lack of skills being done even at underage is frightening. If all we ever do is coach hand pass possession games then we're never going to progress. How often would any club team of any age group practice high fielding (kick outs) long kicking (shooting / passing? You rarely see it! Could be wrong but!

benchtoaster (Carlow) - Posts: 24 - 05/03/2024 07:44:03    2529873

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Replying To benchtoaster:  "Long time listener, first time caller lads. I really think the issue is the standard of the game at club level tbh. If the standard isn't there it's not going to translate to a good county team. I'd travel around to a fair few games and watch the sessions that would be on beforehand while you'd be waiting for matches to start and I have to stay the lack of skills being done even at underage is frightening. If all we ever do is coach hand pass possession games then we're never going to progress. How often would any club team of any age group practice high fielding (kick outs) long kicking (shooting / passing? You rarely see it! Could be wrong but!"
That's a fair point. It's something I've posted about several times, the standard is poor at club and school level. To be fair it's one area the board or carlow games dev people can't be blamed for there is plenty of workshops coaching courses put on but the uptake is maybe not where you want it to be. Our club game is predominantly a short hand passing game kicking is rare, I think at 12s and 14s instead of looking at plays we might be better looking at the handpass to footpass ratio, maybe something like 2/3handpasses to 1 footpass would do a lot to alter that it still allows for a quick one two but must be followed with a footpass, when you limit the plays it makes the handpass more prevalent as you have to play closer together and while you don't want one or two strong lads hogging the ball the unintended consequence is a handpassing game.

When your 16s or minor management get a team then they have loads of competent footpassers and that changes how you approach the game as you know you have the skills to play a more expansive game.

If you look at the top 3 counties in the league dublin kerry and derry they all have very good kicking games, but you have to be proficient in the skill to perform it, most division 4 counties lack the skill to play that game.

It's probably something I was guilty of myself when I started coaching, over use of the handpass, while now I try to incorporate kicking into most things I do, you still do possession games as its relevant to the game as it is but you should be aiming to work on your footpassing in nearly every game you do and the appropriate kick for each scenario I.e laces, outside, inside of the boot, and both feet, I actually recently had a game where one player who would have been very left footed attempted two scores off his right and another player who would have been all right, turned left soloed left out of trouble, you have to praise that though even if it fails as those are players who are trying to add to their game, hopefully you end up with better players at the end of it all.

Barrowsider (Carlow) - Posts: 1602 - 05/03/2024 10:45:19    2529903

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Think our goose is cooked for promotion this year. Something I've been thinking myself about That team that got us promotion large chunk came from the minor u21 team but also had a serious base of s and C done over the years physically we could match it with most teams on the field.

Now we're to small we can't compete at midfield cos we're getting bullied in that area. Alot of the players we had at that time wouldnt have been far off making the panels at least of other stronger counties at the time.

Don't think you could pick 1 of our current squad to say same about. We may have had our golden generation of player come and go now.

CB have alot to answer for didn't capitalise on the feel good factor of the time and let the follow up generation go to waste. Underage can't remember the last big result we had or something worth crowing about.

Sadly I think wins over Leitrim and Tipperary may the height of it for us for the next few years.

ITSCHOLAR (Carlow) - Posts: 294 - 05/03/2024 13:09:27    2529922

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Replying To ITSCHOLAR:  "Think our goose is cooked for promotion this year. Something I've been thinking myself about That team that got us promotion large chunk came from the minor u21 team but also had a serious base of s and C done over the years physically we could match it with most teams on the field.

Now we're to small we can't compete at midfield cos we're getting bullied in that area. Alot of the players we had at that time wouldnt have been far off making the panels at least of other stronger counties at the time.

Don't think you could pick 1 of our current squad to say same about. We may have had our golden generation of player come and go now.

CB have alot to answer for didn't capitalise on the feel good factor of the time and let the follow up generation go to waste. Underage can't remember the last big result we had or something worth crowing about.

Sadly I think wins over Leitrim and Tipperary may the height of it for us for the next few years."
Disagree here. We have not had a golden generation in the last 10 years as that would indicate success at underage level coming to fruition then later at senior. Under Turlo and Poacher, we just had a really good structure and the players bought into it and executed it well.

It's not all doom and gloom. This current panel are a decent bunch. Most of us can see that. The manager is the problem. Under new management we can progress.

The only thing you could say is that time and time again we are missing key players and for such a small county you cant afford that. There are about 10 lads who would strengthen that panel enormously. Maybe under new management they would be inclined to come back in or actually get called up!

EireOgAbu (Carlow) - Posts: 17 - 05/03/2024 15:01:48    2529940

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Replying To EireOgAbu:  "Disagree here. We have not had a golden generation in the last 10 years as that would indicate success at underage level coming to fruition then later at senior. Under Turlo and Poacher, we just had a really good structure and the players bought into it and executed it well.

It's not all doom and gloom. This current panel are a decent bunch. Most of us can see that. The manager is the problem. Under new management we can progress.

The only thing you could say is that time and time again we are missing key players and for such a small county you cant afford that. There are about 10 lads who would strengthen that panel enormously. Maybe under new management they would be inclined to come back in or actually get called up!"
Can't always be the managers fault lads, how many managers have we gone through in the last 10-15 years. Definition of insanity doing same thing over and over again and expecting a different result! Look at how the hurlers are able to compete at the top level with a much smaller playing pool

benchtoaster (Carlow) - Posts: 24 - 05/03/2024 17:29:08    2529970

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Replying To benchtoaster:  "Can't always be the managers fault lads, how many managers have we gone through in the last 10-15 years. Definition of insanity doing same thing over and over again and expecting a different result! Look at how the hurlers are able to compete at the top level with a much smaller playing pool"
Before Turlough and Poacher took over, Carlow were so bad that there was talk of regrading to junior.

In 2014, we lost the first round in Leinster by 28 points.

Under a manager from Kildare.

Just three years later, we won four games in the championship… with the same players.

The following year, we hammered Kildare.

At inter county level, the manager is paramount.

Sadly, Carlow's policy has been to appoint journeymen. So that's why we always come back to this issue.

The hurlers have had a number of very good managers. That's the difference. But even when they've had a poor choice, they've regressed.

CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 623 - 05/03/2024 18:31:26    2529984

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We are in a terrible position. Getting promoted would only be covering over the cracks.
The GDA's have been taken away from Colts system to focus on schools? Why not educate primary school teachers on GAA coaching so they could put their expertise into the colts? No incentives for schools to buy into this. We are wasting our time having GDA's going around to schools doing basic stuff that others can do… especially when many clubs have GPO's doing that already.
However, The biggest problem in Carlow football is the results at juvenile level. Players will not have skill acquisition if they are not being challenged in games. They are all hammerings, 2 teams max in age age group. When we move into high stakes games at county level, we can't cope.

CW88 (Carlow) - Posts: 20 - 05/03/2024 18:40:03    2529987

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Replying To Barrowsider:  "I think changing at the end of the season is time enough, that gives a new manager time to look at the championships, I'd be more concerned about who comes in than when they do.

As for brendan Murphy I'm not sure if your trolling or serious but as far as I know he hasn't even lined out for rathvilly yet this year so I would say the chances of him lining out against longford are similar to your own chances of."
This account keeps posting disinformation about Brendan Murphy. A very sad individual.

CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 623 - 05/03/2024 19:31:55    2529995

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