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Replying To Collio:  "Where does this strange obsession come from, I think you may need to talk to someone.
You blame every problem this county has on its most successful club, strange."
Easy to be the most successful club when you have half the county to pick from.

It would be very strange if Eire Og was not Carlow's most successful club.

CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 623 - 22/01/2024 19:35:59    2521621

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Replying To Collio:  "You shouldve run for Chairperson Carps your knowledge of Carlow GAA would be invaluable to all who are lucky enough to hear it"
It's impossible to become Carlow GAA chairperson without the support of the existing officers. They have a huge chunk of the votes. That's the whole point.

If you remember in the late 00's, an outsider tried hard to get elected. He had the support of the clubs, but the officers voted as a bloc to keep him out.

CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 623 - 22/01/2024 19:37:36    2521622

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Replying To CARPS:  "Easy to be the most successful club when you have half the county to pick from.

It would be very strange if Eire Og was not Carlow's most successful club."
No wonder other clubs are failing if they have an attitude like yours, making excuses instead of trying to get better, long May it continue. Could you take over a senior club team this year please

Collio (Carlow) - Posts: 30 - 23/01/2024 17:38:48    2521768

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Replying To CARPS:  "It's impossible to become Carlow GAA chairperson without the support of the existing officers. They have a huge chunk of the votes. That's the whole point.

If you remember in the late 00's, an outsider tried hard to get elected. He had the support of the clubs, but the officers voted as a bloc to keep him out."
The County Board is made up of club members from all over the county and as far as I can see there is very few in a queue to get involved.

The same people are doing the work as few are willing to put in the time required.
Take match day, the very same stewards, same gate people etc.
And its the same with the clubs, same people doing the work and when in a position like chair or secretary it's difficult to get out of that position ! They demand a lot of time !
So, very little competition when it comes to convention for different positions and roles.
I have no idea of how many officers are there in total but I am sure that they would not outweigh the combined voting power of the clubs if they combined together and had a particular issue that required a vote.

carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1821 - 23/01/2024 18:15:54    2521777

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Replying To carlowman:  "The County Board is made up of club members from all over the county and as far as I can see there is very few in a queue to get involved.

The same people are doing the work as few are willing to put in the time required.
Take match day, the very same stewards, same gate people etc.
And its the same with the clubs, same people doing the work and when in a position like chair or secretary it's difficult to get out of that position ! They demand a lot of time !
So, very little competition when it comes to convention for different positions and roles.
I have no idea of how many officers are there in total but I am sure that they would not outweigh the combined voting power of the clubs if they combined together and had a particular issue that required a vote."
I would like to believe that carlowman, but sorry just can't.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2913 - 23/01/2024 20:39:17    2521794

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Replying To TownGael29:  "You clearly either missed the word "'major" or you are willfully ignoring it. For an example of major work conducted by a club just look at Killeshin. A development like that wouldn't happen in Carlow, simple as. The county board would be somehow trying to channel anymore available into their stalled, embarrassing training centre.

Our County Board are NOT there for their sole real purpose, promoting and supporting the clubs in the county. Their pitiful attempt to make themselves the biggest benefactors of the JP money is proof of what they are."
The Co. Board for all it's faults, and it has many, is not there to oversee the destruction of carlow Gaa. It looks to me as if they're trying to get much needed funds to develop training centre. I. E. Permanent dressing rooms, proper gym, canteen, etc. Now god knows they've tried raising funds, the ill fated house draw, (did you buy a ticket), the current car draw etc. What do you suggest they do to develop it, they are trying this as a last resort I'd imagine and you think they want it for what exactly? Also I'll repeat my comment about clubs developing facilities. Bagenalstown, St. Mullins, mlr, major developments in all 3.you should pay a visit sometime when you're not too busy hurling on the ditch.

Overthebar53 (Carlow) - Posts: 211 - 23/01/2024 23:55:29    2521814

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Replying To supersub15:  "I would like to believe that carlowman, but sorry just can't."
Every county board officer is a clubman. The chair is Clonmore, sec is Myshall, etc etc.
They have been working hard to try to keep the show on the road.
Take the hurlers. Joe Mc won last year and for me Carlow 's greatest achievement and most memorable day in my lifetime.
The county board have done their best to facilitate this.
Today Wexford have advertised looking for stewards for their county grounds.
If you go to NCP- we have the very same stewards there almost every weekend. Some.have put in 5p yers of service.
When the club season gets going NCP could have 8 games in a week from Sunday to Sunday. How many from your club are there volunteering?

This notion that board officers are in some way profiteering or benefitting is absolute rubbish.
The idea too that they are behind the times is again garbage.
A previous chairman has gotten lights on the pitch.
How many county grounds have no lights ?
And then people think that money grows on trees and what are the board doing with the money?
I really do think that many need to wake up and either shut up or be involved. It's when people actually get involved that you see where the deficits are and then you see how hard it is to rectify.
All bar one is getting paid. And the person who is getting paid is there to administer the county, as its a huge job.

carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1821 - 24/01/2024 13:06:57    2521892

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Replying To Overthebar53:  "The Co. Board for all it's faults, and it has many, is not there to oversee the destruction of carlow Gaa. It looks to me as if they're trying to get much needed funds to develop training centre. I. E. Permanent dressing rooms, proper gym, canteen, etc. Now god knows they've tried raising funds, the ill fated house draw, (did you buy a ticket), the current car draw etc. What do you suggest they do to develop it, they are trying this as a last resort I'd imagine and you think they want it for what exactly? Also I'll repeat my comment about clubs developing facilities. Bagenalstown, St. Mullins, mlr, major developments in all 3.you should pay a visit sometime when you're not too busy hurling on the ditch."
How long has the training centre been there? How come every other county has been able to finish theirs?

You accuse me of being a hurler on the ditch, I've been heavily involved in the GAA all my life. I live overseas now and I have played, coached, managed over here too. I've just signed up to coach kids next year including my own all this 1000s of miles from Carlow. I'm a doer, not a talker.

It's yes men like yourself that make the chairs in Dr Cullen very safe and comfortable. I did buy a ticket, but it was the typical amateur hour show from the CC. We will make cheap MS Paint posters and people will just give us their money.

Put some ambitious people in there and realise potential.

TownGael29 (Carlow) - Posts: 23 - 24/01/2024 13:20:49    2521896

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Replying To Overthebar53:  "The Co. Board for all it's faults, and it has many, is not there to oversee the destruction of carlow Gaa. It looks to me as if they're trying to get much needed funds to develop training centre. I. E. Permanent dressing rooms, proper gym, canteen, etc. Now god knows they've tried raising funds, the ill fated house draw, (did you buy a ticket), the current car draw etc. What do you suggest they do to develop it, they are trying this as a last resort I'd imagine and you think they want it for what exactly? Also I'll repeat my comment about clubs developing facilities. Bagenalstown, St. Mullins, mlr, major developments in all 3.you should pay a visit sometime when you're not too busy hurling on the ditch."
How long has the training centre been there? How come every other county has been able to finish theirs?

You accuse me of being a hurler on the ditch, I've been heavily involved in the GAA all my life. I live overseas now and I have played, coached, managed over here too. I've just signed up to coach kids next year including my own all this 1000s of miles from Carlow. I'm a doer, not a talker.

It's yes men like yourself that make the chairs in Dr Cullen very safe and comfortable. I did buy a ticket, but it was the typical amateur hour show from the CC. We will make cheap MS Paint posters and people will just give us their money.

Put some ambitious people in there and realise potential.

TownGael29 (Carlow) - Posts: 23 - 24/01/2024 13:55:23    2521903

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Replying To TownGael29:  "How long has the training centre been there? How come every other county has been able to finish theirs?

You accuse me of being a hurler on the ditch, I've been heavily involved in the GAA all my life. I live overseas now and I have played, coached, managed over here too. I've just signed up to coach kids next year including my own all this 1000s of miles from Carlow. I'm a doer, not a talker.

It's yes men like yourself that make the chairs in Dr Cullen very safe and comfortable. I did buy a ticket, but it was the typical amateur hour show from the CC. We will make cheap MS Paint posters and people will just give us their money.

Put some ambitious people in there and realise potential."
Lot of help you are. Didn't know carlow had an "overseas" branch. Yet you're able to mouth about everything that's wrong here You're also an expert on the state of club development around the county and now on the centre of excellence as well. When's the last time you were there. Don't tell me, I can guess. Another know all. Acquaint yourself with the facts before exposing your ignorance, in future.

Overthebar53 (Carlow) - Posts: 211 - 24/01/2024 23:01:19    2521968

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Replying To carlowman:  "Every county board officer is a clubman. The chair is Clonmore, sec is Myshall, etc etc.
They have been working hard to try to keep the show on the road.
Take the hurlers. Joe Mc won last year and for me Carlow 's greatest achievement and most memorable day in my lifetime.
The county board have done their best to facilitate this.
Today Wexford have advertised looking for stewards for their county grounds.
If you go to NCP- we have the very same stewards there almost every weekend. Some.have put in 5p yers of service.
When the club season gets going NCP could have 8 games in a week from Sunday to Sunday. How many from your club are there volunteering?

This notion that board officers are in some way profiteering or benefitting is absolute rubbish.
The idea too that they are behind the times is again garbage.
A previous chairman has gotten lights on the pitch.
How many county grounds have no lights ?
And then people think that money grows on trees and what are the board doing with the money?
I really do think that many need to wake up and either shut up or be involved. It's when people actually get involved that you see where the deficits are and then you see how hard it is to rectify.
All bar one is getting paid. And the person who is getting paid is there to administer the county, as its a huge job."
Carlowman, if you look at it this way starting with the Carlow inter county hurlers, for the past 30 / 35 years they have battled hard against the odds mostly never embarrassed themselves or the county, they won respect and admiration along with their often-hard earned piece of silverware from time to time, as you say winning the J Mc cup last year was unbelievable stuff against all the odds particulary in the last 6 mins.

Carlow senior clubs. - again, over the past 30 / 35 years against all the odds they faced at the time they played national hurling and football with great success, it must be said they too won the admiration and respect around the country from those that mattered after earning their hard-earned piece of silverware.

Carlow senior footballers. - again, over the same 30 / 35 years the county senior footballers went through the motions of togging out to fulfill a fixture bringing home zero promise at the end of any 70 mins played, with the exception of one year when they did get promotion to div.3 which lasted only one season.

It's my understanding that the buck stops with all county boards, they are ultimately responsible for all things good and not so good, in this case with the Carlow senior county teams. Hard questions must be asked as to why year in and year out they are not delivering.

Is PR active within the county, it is after all an important cog in the wheel.? I've said here before I live outside the county now for a long time, I've got an insight into how other counties approach their game etc, etc.

In the meantime, a belated happy new year to all Carlovian readers on HS.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2913 - 25/01/2024 11:37:14    2522009

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Replying To supersub15:  "Carlowman, if you look at it this way starting with the Carlow inter county hurlers, for the past 30 / 35 years they have battled hard against the odds mostly never embarrassed themselves or the county, they won respect and admiration along with their often-hard earned piece of silverware from time to time, as you say winning the J Mc cup last year was unbelievable stuff against all the odds particulary in the last 6 mins.

Carlow senior clubs. - again, over the past 30 / 35 years against all the odds they faced at the time they played national hurling and football with great success, it must be said they too won the admiration and respect around the country from those that mattered after earning their hard-earned piece of silverware.

Carlow senior footballers. - again, over the same 30 / 35 years the county senior footballers went through the motions of togging out to fulfill a fixture bringing home zero promise at the end of any 70 mins played, with the exception of one year when they did get promotion to div.3 which lasted only one season.

It's my understanding that the buck stops with all county boards, they are ultimately responsible for all things good and not so good, in this case with the Carlow senior county teams. Hard questions must be asked as to why year in and year out they are not delivering.

Is PR active within the county, it is after all an important cog in the wheel.? I've said here before I live outside the county now for a long time, I've got an insight into how other counties approach their game etc, etc.

In the meantime, a belated happy new year to all Carlovian readers on HS."
I'd imagine finance is the biggest stumbling block, I'm going to assume that's why they didn't go with poacher in 2020 when he was available, although I'd say he doesn't miss the driving up and down.

If you go back a few decades we did have financing but the issue then was how it was spent and who held the purse strings hence the fall of the original supporters club, which had a big impact on relations between local business and the county board.

Forward on a decade you had the friends of carlow which definitely raised funds and had a good relationship with the county board but a combination of the crash and a lack of long term vision seemed to doom that, since then fundraising has probably been a bit hit and miss, the house was a disaster not sure why as carlow is fairly close to Dublin and that house was only 5 mins from the motorway, may have been a timing issue.

The clubs are the county board though its not some separate entity, progressive clubs = progressive county board.
Both hurling and football are roughly in the same position they were during all my lifetime, hurlers are with a group of other counties like westmeath kerry laois down but lightyears off the top counties. Footballers are rooted to the bottom end of division 4 aside from a brief spell under turlough/poacher where we were actually competing.

I think the financing issue has to be sorted before we even consider progressing, we need a steady stream of money and we need to spend it wisely, I think we currently spend close to 50,000 on underage squads, I'd like to see a breakdown of that and see could it be spent better on them.

Carlow is a small county, we are a genuine dual county too, for our size that's a fair achievement so it's not all negative, but at underage we are not competitive at all and haven't been for sometime, that won't make much difference to football but you could see hurling drop back a bit in the coming years.

So you have all these teams to finance each year from 14s up to senior in both codes and trying to develop the training center etc from a base of 28 clubs. It's a tall order.

Barrowsider (Carlow) - Posts: 1602 - 25/01/2024 15:02:33    2522044

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Replying To Collio:  "No wonder other clubs are failing if they have an attitude like yours, making excuses instead of trying to get better, long May it continue. Could you take over a senior club team this year please"
You think all other clubs in Carlow are 'failing?'' Oh, to be inside that Eire Og bubble...

And I may very well be involved with a senior club team, this year...

CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 623 - 25/01/2024 15:27:14    2522051

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Replying To carlowman:  "The County Board is made up of club members from all over the county and as far as I can see there is very few in a queue to get involved.

The same people are doing the work as few are willing to put in the time required.
Take match day, the very same stewards, same gate people etc.
And its the same with the clubs, same people doing the work and when in a position like chair or secretary it's difficult to get out of that position ! They demand a lot of time !
So, very little competition when it comes to convention for different positions and roles.
I have no idea of how many officers are there in total but I am sure that they would not outweigh the combined voting power of the clubs if they combined together and had a particular issue that required a vote."
As far as I know the officers have about 25% of the votes in Carlow. So, basically, to get someone through, they only need a third of the club votes. Given a fair few of the clubs have been, at admin level, essentially personal fiefdoms for people on the county board, it's nigh on impossible to break their block vote.

The last person to try was a gentleman from O'Hanrahan's, now deceased, who ultimately failed. About 17 years ago, if memory serves me right.

CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 623 - 25/01/2024 15:31:36    2522053

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Replying To Overthebar53:  "Lot of help you are. Didn't know carlow had an "overseas" branch. Yet you're able to mouth about everything that's wrong here You're also an expert on the state of club development around the county and now on the centre of excellence as well. When's the last time you were there. Don't tell me, I can guess. Another know all. Acquaint yourself with the facts before exposing your ignorance, in future."
A person who doesn't know how to use a full stop calling another person ignorant is quite something to behold.

Many a club in Carlow has benefitted greatly from the patronage of a member "overseas."

CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 623 - 25/01/2024 15:34:42    2522054

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Replying To Barrowsider:  "I'd imagine finance is the biggest stumbling block, I'm going to assume that's why they didn't go with poacher in 2020 when he was available, although I'd say he doesn't miss the driving up and down.

If you go back a few decades we did have financing but the issue then was how it was spent and who held the purse strings hence the fall of the original supporters club, which had a big impact on relations between local business and the county board.

Forward on a decade you had the friends of carlow which definitely raised funds and had a good relationship with the county board but a combination of the crash and a lack of long term vision seemed to doom that, since then fundraising has probably been a bit hit and miss, the house was a disaster not sure why as carlow is fairly close to Dublin and that house was only 5 mins from the motorway, may have been a timing issue.

The clubs are the county board though its not some separate entity, progressive clubs = progressive county board.
Both hurling and football are roughly in the same position they were during all my lifetime, hurlers are with a group of other counties like westmeath kerry laois down but lightyears off the top counties. Footballers are rooted to the bottom end of division 4 aside from a brief spell under turlough/poacher where we were actually competing.

I think the financing issue has to be sorted before we even consider progressing, we need a steady stream of money and we need to spend it wisely, I think we currently spend close to 50,000 on underage squads, I'd like to see a breakdown of that and see could it be spent better on them.

Carlow is a small county, we are a genuine dual county too, for our size that's a fair achievement so it's not all negative, but at underage we are not competitive at all and haven't been for sometime, that won't make much difference to football but you could see hurling drop back a bit in the coming years.

So you have all these teams to finance each year from 14s up to senior in both codes and trying to develop the training center etc from a base of 28 clubs. It's a tall order."
The clubs are the county board though its not some separate entity, progressive clubs = progressive county board.
Both hurling and football are roughly in the same position they were during all my lifetime, hurlers are with a group of other counties like westmeath kerry laois down but lightyears off the top counties. Footballers are rooted to the bottom end of division 4 aside from a brief spell under turlough/poacher where we were actually competing.

Interesting post. It invites a few questions.

1) We had strong underage teams in both codes in the mid 2000s. Reaching Leinster minor finals in both. Since then it's gone backwards (a lot). Especially in hurling

Why?

2) You mention that football has been rooted to Division 4 for your lifetime (I am assuming you are about 37/38 then), except for the Poacher era.

So why was that time exceptional? Why did essentially the same group players improve so much from Rainbow to Turlough (alone) to Poacher? Can that be replicated?

3) The economy has obviously improved (a lot) since the Friends of Carlow fell apart. That group was created due to the efforts of a particular, progressive, County Board person... why has none of the present Board looked to revive it?

CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 623 - 25/01/2024 15:42:25    2522057

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Replying To CARPS:  "The clubs are the county board though its not some separate entity, progressive clubs = progressive county board.
Both hurling and football are roughly in the same position they were during all my lifetime, hurlers are with a group of other counties like westmeath kerry laois down but lightyears off the top counties. Footballers are rooted to the bottom end of division 4 aside from a brief spell under turlough/poacher where we were actually competing.

Interesting post. It invites a few questions.

1) We had strong underage teams in both codes in the mid 2000s. Reaching Leinster minor finals in both. Since then it's gone backwards (a lot). Especially in hurling

Why?

2) You mention that football has been rooted to Division 4 for your lifetime (I am assuming you are about 37/38 then), except for the Poacher era.

So why was that time exceptional? Why did essentially the same group players improve so much from Rainbow to Turlough (alone) to Poacher? Can that be replicated?

3) The economy has obviously improved (a lot) since the Friends of Carlow fell apart. That group was created due to the efforts of a particular, progressive, County Board person... why has none of the present Board looked to revive it?"
To go through the questions. Although just my opinion, I'm not claiming I know it all.

1. 06 07 08 were good years for minor hurling and football, I think the 08 football team was mismanaged that was possibly a more balanced team than the team that reached the final in 07, pat deering and Michael meaney were chairmen around that time two good chairmen. We were competitive at u21 in subsequent years in both codes too. To answer your question, I think there are a few reasons, now I can't speak for hurling but on the football side alot has changed in how the game is played in the 15 years since, Carlow teams going out and playing naive football and shipping heavy scores against mediocre opposition at minor has become an all to common thing although in fairness to last years team they were set up well and competed against wexford and wicklow, but neither of those were world beaters either. Counties like kildare have moved so far ahead that its unlikely we will ever bridge the gap, I watched naas cbs dismantle knockbeg earlier in the week, and knockbeg with some of carlows best at that age along with plenty of laois players, it was over after 10 mins. Personally I think we need to look at our model on how we develop players I think we need a full time gpo working with the cbs and the pres I think you have to target the schools as that's where you have a captive audience it's probably more useful investing there than dev squads. You can do their s&c etc all via the school it just takes a bit of work setting it up. Once we start seeing our schools competing at A our dev squads will follow.

2. I'm a little older than that. Poacher was the reason, he had a clear plan and made us hard to play against, turlough deserves great credit though for going and finding him, it may not have been pretty at times but we looked forward to every game and were in the main competitive. Ffs we beat kildare in the leinster championship, I watched kildare people file out of the ground heads hanging, what a day, we destroyed louth in the previous game, gave tyrone a rattle stayed with dublin in 17 until Murphy went off beat wexford.

3. No idea why it hasn't been revived but we do need the business community involved.

Barrowsider (Carlow) - Posts: 1602 - 25/01/2024 21:00:30    2522099

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What's the story with Milford? I see in this week's paper they are having an agm. Reforming??

carlo (Carlow) - Posts: 218 - 25/01/2024 21:09:58    2522101

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Replying To carlo:  "What's the story with Milford? I see in this week's paper they are having an agm. Reforming??"
I don't believe so. I think they have to so to hold onto their grounds. Atleast that's how I heard it. Open to correction

Barrowsider (Carlow) - Posts: 1602 - 25/01/2024 23:47:49    2522123

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Replying To CARPS:  "A person who doesn't know how to use a full stop calling another person ignorant is quite something to behold.

Many a club in Carlow has benefitted greatly from the patronage of a member "overseas.""
Ah carps that's pretty feeble, even for you.

Overthebar53 (Carlow) - Posts: 211 - 26/01/2024 01:20:09    2522125

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