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As my father would say "Better to have a stranger pat you on the back for good work than to pat yourself on the back" Think that says a lot about the County Board in Carlow. A yearly game of chess where no pieces leave the board, but they all move at some stage to stay in the game. TownGael29 (Carlow) - Posts: 23 - 03/08/2023 01:38:33 2498772 Link 0 |
This its a very solid post. Seems we are making progress!! From what you say, Josephs/Bishop Foley to O'Hanrahan's, Asca/Green Road to Asca and Gaelscoil/Educate Together to Eire Og looks like a workable starting formula. Then there's a question of what to do about hurling. Maybe Setanta works with Asca, Carlow Town with O'Hanrahan's and Eire Og go dual? With the same primary school parameters? Disagree on Graigue. I think county board should be hardline on enforcing the county boundary. Many in Leix would welcome it too, as they are also not comfortable with the 'grey area.' There is a serious case for a Carlow-Graigue club to be formed, if the existing club insists on staying in Leix. The fact is most of the kids who live in Graigue now are not from 'traditional' local families and they really don't care about what happened in 1926. That era is over. CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 685 - 03/08/2023 11:12:38 2498809 Link 0 |
To play devil's advocate, while the county board is a closed shop, there are also not exactly tons of people breaking down their doors wanting to volunteer. Especially since they stopped accepting cash at turnstiles for big games.
CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 685 - 03/08/2023 11:13:54 2498811 Link 0 |
I have been following this thread with interest. Very well thought out and articulated suggestions and all kept to a level of civility not seen on many forums. IMO we have had the same difficulties over the years, particularly at top table level in my county. I and others have been critical of our county board over the years for the "musical chairs" syndrome. We have had 140 plus years of mediocrity. Some of our board have been in situ for maybe a third of that time. When this is brought up, we get hopped off by supporters of the status quo so most posters just lose interest and either leave our site or give the odd opinion on other matters. I have yet to see any such response on here. Please excuse the intrusion and keep up the good work. If enough people keep hammering away, the penny just might drop and change could be brought about.
Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 1148 - 03/08/2023 11:14:29 2498812 Link 1 |
The stand alone clubs aren't helping us, Carlow town seem to be doing well at juvenile in recent years but for bringing those lads from 4 or 5 football clubs to senior is very hard it would be far better if they had football and hurling, eire og should definitely be dualing so should palatine. The closer you look at the structures within the county the bigger the mess. What you're looking to do is tidy things up, by dualing you also create more volunteers, tying a school to a club, you make friends in school it's the only place you actually do make friends as a child it makes sense then that you play sport with your friends which is better for player retention. A scenario where asca and setanta combined and carlow town and o hanrahans did like wise with eire og and pal dualing would be ideal, so if you go to Bishop foleys you know who you play for, likewise if you're in benekerry or the Irish school. No transfers until 18 I don't even think you need to push the graige issue if we start doing it right on this side it solves itself. But I do think graige would prosper within carlow. How do you go about these changes, it would be hard to do it instantly but I think you could say we are starting with next year's 7s and from then on it's tied, clubs like pal and eire og could start straight away and that would move it on in general, there might be a small bit of pain for some in its infancy but I think long term the gains could be huge. Barrowsider (Carlow) - Posts: 1636 - 03/08/2023 18:27:12 2498927 Link 0 |
Carlow is no different, but I always say the clubs are the county board, the county board doesn't exist in isolation it's made up of our clubs, and backward thinking clubs create backward county boards
Barrowsider (Carlow) - Posts: 1636 - 03/08/2023 18:29:47 2498928 Link 0 |
That is a very good point re the clubs. I have made that point many times. There seems to be possibly a majority among delegates who seem happy with the status quo or possibly don't believe things can change. A kind of admiration for those who have " dedicated their lives" to the GAA. In My lifetime I have known younger club delegates become disillusioned with the way business is conducted at the top level. There is a kind of circling of the wagons approach if an outsider dares try make a challenge. It's as if existing members can call on diehards in various clubs to come out and vote. I am now on my twilight years and have witnessed a steady decline in both hurling and football standards on our county. Some come on and say it's up to the clubs to raise their standards. But to me, it is surely the task of a properly functioning county board to drive the clubs towards raising their standards whether that by grants for coaching or whatever. It can sometimes seem like a chicken and egg conundrum. Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 1148 - 04/08/2023 10:12:19 2498971 Link 0 |
I think the problems are so big that's its easier to just ignore them, maybe luck will throw up and odd win in the leinster and there will be back slapping galore. Personally I think the approach has to take into account the county you're dealing with, what works for strong counties won't necessarily work for us, I think weaker counties should be looking to develop their own models be it in relation to club or inter County, same with player development, we can immitate what the strong counties do but without resources of said counties what you're getting is a cheap copy, I know carlow minors and 20/21 are less competitive than ever both codes. That's not to knock the hard work that goes into them but surely if something is delivering nothing it has to be torn down and rebuilt maybe several times until you find what works, we are going through the motions without stopping to think. I don't see much changing in either place, it's very much a private club and dissenters will be weeded out of any decision making. I look at counties like monaghan and how well they do, all Ireland minor finalist and senior semi with 65,000 people Barrowsider (Carlow) - Posts: 1636 - 04/08/2023 11:15:39 2498988 Link 0 |
Having read through the last few pages and been following the thread I think there is a lot of great ideas being said, and hopefully some of the ideas make it to the county board. Ceatharlach15 (Carlow) - Posts: 8 - 09/08/2023 13:09:44 2499716 Link 0 |
Yeah I think in a case where you have clubs with 15 full age players you can probably make a case for not joining up, but very few can say that outside the big 3 if any. You definitely wouldn't be depriving anyone of the age a game, you just wouldn't have to be constantly pulling 2 and 3 years down to make a team, take minor this year both asca and myshall playing division 3 no benefit to their players that are good enough to be playing against 14 and 15 year olds. You could also go year by year which would mean everyone gets more game time, it could be opt in too so teams will be free to make their own mind up but just one division so if you chose to stand alone you better be strong. If we want good footballers we need better leagues, our clubs on their own can't create those leagues to me it's a no brainer Barrowsider (Carlow) - Posts: 1636 - 10/08/2023 10:35:09 2499839 Link 0 |
Congratulations to Rangers on winning the Sen hurling final on Sunday dethroning the champs St Mullins in very impressive fashion. carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1836 - 15/08/2023 21:04:10 2500691 Link 0 |
Fair play to them would fancy them to rattle whoever comes out of kk. Main problem will be lack of competitive games between now and November. ITSCHOLAR (Carlow) - Posts: 298 - 16/08/2023 13:40:41 2500787 Link 0 |
Was a very good game, two sides going at it from the off. Rangers goals in first half done the trick but st mullins as expected went til the very end. Well done to kildavin/clonegal on winning the junior too. As a neutral at the finals I was glad to see another club emerge from the junior ranks. I fancy them to compete well at intermediate next year. Hopefully Burren rangers can follow them up the year after to make it even more competitive. Unusedsub (Carlow) - Posts: 87 - 16/08/2023 16:57:50 2500860 Link 0 |
Great to see KC back and fair play to them Sunday. Was surprised by the standard being honest, some decent hurlers there. Keeping it going at underage is going to be the big thing for them Burren Rangers will be up there soon, as they have alot of good young players coming through. It's a shame the hurling hasn't stuck in Pal, as there is great potential there. No reason a hurling can't be supported in that Tnryland/Palatine/Bennekerry area. TaosHum (Carlow) - Posts: 249 - 17/08/2023 14:15:49 2500994 Link 0 |
Burren Rangers have a very young team and definitely will win in the next few years, if they stay together,which I believe they will. Kikdavin/Clonegal were far and away the better team against MLR. Some of their players have been hurling with Ballinkillen and that was the crucial differemce. Having that experience put them in a good position going into the final. Regarding the Palatine hurling position - it seems that if a few drive it then they will have a team and if not they won't, but that's at junior level. That has irked Carlow town for years. The Carlow Hurling club feels and believes that players they have trained and coached as youngsters should stay with them. They feel that Pal are not providing them with any meaningful hurling, with perhaps a team being entered by Pal or perhaps not. The fact that Pal has not bitten the bullet and refused to provide juvenile hurling speaks for itself. Is it good enough that a club does not provide hurling to its juveniles but might have a junior tram and invariably rely on some who did play for Carlow Town but as young adults play football for Pal and are then encouraged to transfer to Pal hurling and perhaps play 2 or 3 games per year or none at all? It is one factor in Carlow Town not having some players to play at junior and intermediate level. Pal will argue that its the players who transfer as they are Pal players from the start and live in the community. That is all true but why does Pal not provide juvenile hurling for its juveniles? In my view Pal should promote hurling by having teams entered and coached at juvenile level. carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1836 - 20/08/2023 11:39:20 2501422 Link 0 |
Burren Rangers have a very young team and definitely will win in the next few years, if they stay together,which I believe they will. Kikdavin/Clonegal were far and away the better team against MLR. Some of their players have been hurling with Ballinkillen and that was the crucial differemce. Having that experience put them in a good position going into the final. Regarding the Palatine hurling position - it seems that if a few drive it then they will have a team and if not they won't, but that's at junior level. That has irked Carlow town for years. The Carlow Hurling club feels and believes that players they have trained and coached as youngsters should stay with them. They feel that Pal are not providing them with any meaningful hurling, with perhaps a team being entered by Pal or perhaps not. The fact that Pal has not bitten the bullet and refused to provide juvenile hurling speaks for itself. Is it good enough that a club does not provide hurling to its juveniles but might have a junior tram and invariably rely on some who did play for Carlow Town but as young adults play football for Pal and are then encouraged to transfer to Pal hurling and perhaps play 2 or 3 games per year or none at all? It is one factor in Carlow Town not having some players to play at junior and intermediate level. Pal will argue that its the players who transfer as they are Pal players from the start and live in the community. That is all true but why does Pal not provide juvenile hurling for its juveniles? In my view Pal should promote hurling by having teams entered and coached at juvenile level. carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1836 - 20/08/2023 11:39:29 2501423 Link 0 |
Carlow Senior Football Championship prediction Carlowrising (Carlow) - Posts: 139 - 25/08/2023 16:21:01 2502250 Link 0 |
Lads is it tickets online for club games in Dcp or cash? Our brilliant Carlow Facebook page hasn't been updated since June & no mention on Instagram either. I know all inter County is gone online & think club was the same last year just not sure. carlo (Carlow) - Posts: 227 - 26/08/2023 09:33:53 2502288 Link 0 |
Opening weekend of the football championships Barrowsider (Carlow) - Posts: 1636 - 27/08/2023 20:51:53 2502506 Link 0 |
Good assessment ! Tinryland are playing the same possession game and scored excellent points especu6 in the first half against a strong swirling breeze and that last 45 point for Rangers shocked Tinryland Pal are not as good as last year -yet ! Rathvilly were strong in most sectors and direct. That approach yielded 2 goals and could have had more. Eire Og were.mixong the good with the very poor while OL can improve too. Fenagh looked the weakest of the teams. The Town Gaels have a decent side but don't look like they will trouble the bigger names. Next weekend will tell a lot ! carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1836 - 28/08/2023 08:47:51 2502551 Link 0 |