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You can still have a stand alone league where every club goes alone, we have all year to do this, we are far to restricted time wise as it stands spliting the season with hurling and afraid to go against the other sports, there is no reason why we can't play our county A championship and then go back to our current structure when that's done or vice versa. It just takes a little bit of imagination
Barrowsider (Carlow) - Posts: 1542 - 29/07/2023 20:11:47 2497627Link 0
Overthebar53 (Carlow) - Posts: 145 - 30/07/2023 00:32:57 2497644Link 0
I think your other suggestion on playing every year could work, have 13/15/17 with standard club championship and then 14/16/18 with the regional sides. Scheduling would the only thing here, maybe run the club championship as normal and the other as a winter league.
The club means everything in the GAA, especially at juvenile level, when your playing with lads you live beside or went to school with. I'd be very carful about disrupting that.
At Colts trials this year, 140 kids went in for it. That's a fantastic number and IMO where we should be targeting if your looking to increase the standard of football at juvenile level. With those numbers, you could have 5 teams of 25 playing each other and other developmental sides from around the country. You might struggle to get enough coaches and resources to go in to have 5 teams, but the demand for football is there, even at current club standards at that ag group.
TaosHum (Carlow) - Posts: 234 - 31/07/2023 09:49:34 2497928Link 0
You said it it that a major.prpblem is the number of coaches willing to put in the time. That is a real issue.
carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1806 - 31/07/2023 17:47:00 2498187Link 1
I think we miss a big opportunity each year with foals trials, as you say there does be up to 140 13 years olds trying out and all of these won't be of county standard it would be a great opportunity to get all those lads on programs in some form of regional colts academy, we are a small county we should definitely be trying to get the absolute maximum out of each player, we go by a model that is standard in the gaa but I don't think they really had small counties in mind when creating that model.
Clubs have to play a greater role to play in all of this, how many club officers are aware of how their young players are doing.
Barrowsider (Carlow) - Posts: 1542 - 01/08/2023 06:42:35 2498253Link 0
Interesting posts above, but all - with the greatest respect - missing the point. The main problem is the approach to urban areas.
CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 554 - 01/08/2023 10:51:46 2498299Link 0
supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2904 - 01/08/2023 13:00:43 2498337Link 0
supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2904 - 01/08/2023 13:21:50 2498341Link 0
James Clarke, fair enough, but he played most of his county football as an Old Leighlin player.
CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 554 - 01/08/2023 14:03:53 2498354Link 0
The greatest football county of them all, Kerry, had a panel of 26 for last weekend's All-Ireland final. 13 of them came from Tralee and Killarney. That's, obviously, 50%.
Kerry's population is 156,458. There are 14,504 in Killarney and 26,079 in Tralee. So, collectively, they amount to 25% of the county, but half the county football panel.
We have it the other way around.
As said above, and in many previous posts, we need a radical plan for Carlow and Tullow towns. And vested interests will have to be toppled. Otherwise, we are wasting our time.
CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 554 - 01/08/2023 14:09:11 2498357Link 0
Now I don't think most clubs around the county can do that and that's where I come with my other ideas, I've seen it first hand, I'm involved with two juvenile teams, and it's my opinion based on experience that if you can't offer what I've mentioned above then you would be better as a part of some form of amalgamation, if 60 young lads walked into a small Club in the morning they would be gone after a week. The clubs wouldn't cope.
Tullow and bagenalstown are a bit disappointing although both are improving, if a bad culture takes hold it can be hard to improve it but there are better signs in recent years that tullow in particular are making strides, in a minor final in 21 I think semi in 20 won division 2 last year, that's solid enough, some good people involved there too.
Great people involved in every Club, I'm definitely not trying to undermine anyone's work, it's a fair commitment being involved in teams it can be very rewarding too, watching players improve and succeed and success is not always about medals it can come in many guises, for some just getting out on the field is success in itself.
If we want stronger carlow football then it needs major work. Sadly I don't hear any urgency coming from the county board/clubs. Most seem to be happy to plod along
Barrowsider (Carlow) - Posts: 1542 - 01/08/2023 16:52:29 2498410Link 0
As for James Clarke, James is a Tullow man, a St. Patrick's man but later on in years he transferred to Old Leighlin like you said.
You never mentioned Jim Murphy. I'm not sure about your knowledge on Carlow football or Hurling.
supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2904 - 01/08/2023 19:46:34 2498460Link 1
Granted a lot of clubs are running around in circles, but the Carlow CB wouldn't even be bothered providing them with a decent circle for that.
I have brought this up with a family member about why the CB are not questioned more at meetings etc as they seem unanswerable to their clubs. He said you wouldn't last too long as a delegate if you ever tried.
Life is about standards and setting standards, we can say we have a "small population" but that's just an excuse for not having standards. I will harp on about this all the time, but look at the Carlow Training Centre, great facility but half thrown together. It even sets a mindset in young players going there, half job will do.
As i said, standards and seriousness are the ultimate problem in Carlow GAA. We recently replaced a schoolteacher with a retired Garda in the one paid, serious position in Carlow. That job should be filled by an experienced commercial minded operator from outside the county, No disrespect meant but it's another half job.
I once questioned the CB on why they couldn't provide a simple score update on a Junior B Final held before the Senior Hurling Final one year, and was promptly blocked on twitter, that's the level lads, don't critic us.
TownGael29 (Carlow) - Posts: 20 - 02/08/2023 03:20:19 2498505Link 0
That implies a player who played for many years in championship games for Carlow. Of the three you mentioned, only James Clarke would fit that bill. Jack Kennedy was a good player. Jim Murphy played less.
I'm not sure about your knowledge of the English language. But his may help.
worthy of attention or notice; remarkable.
a famous or important person.
CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 554 - 02/08/2023 11:03:52 2498542Link 0
Back in the 1990s, they involved genuine debate, and remember some running into a second day, because of disagreements.
Nowadays, they are like the North Korean politburo. No dissent, and the whole thing is over in a couple of hours.
And you can't even smoke anymore!
Seriously, though, it does show that the Board is an effective dictatorship.
As for the serious, paid, position you mention. Agree 100%. And what's even more ridiculous is appointing another football only person to the post... in a dual county.
The successful applicant should have had a background in finance, PR, media or logistics (or all would be ideal!). Not sure what retired public servants, or those on a career break, have to offer in that regard.
CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 554 - 02/08/2023 11:08:52 2498544Link 0
The fact is most people want to be part of the most successful/glamorous club. That applies to coaches, as much as players. When there are no defined boundaries in the town, it's only natural that most people will gravitate towards the hegemon (which Eire Og is). My point is that by introducing defined boundaries (whether by schools or area), resources would be better spread and it would have the effect of lifting up the entire town, as a GAA entity.
If you had almost equally strong Eire Og, Asca and O'Hanrahan's (maybe some form of Graigue club too) at underage, Carlow town football would take on a whole new character. More kids would want to play and be part of something with genuine rivalry and excitement. The rising tide would lift all boats.
Imagine if Kilkenny city (now smaller than Carlow town) only had James Stephens as a serious entity, and Dicksboro and O'Loughlin Gaels were only junior outfits. Do you think that would be good for Kilkenny hurling? Of course not. Kilkenny get around this, by having rules on which club 'city' players can join. We need to do the same.
As I said in an earlier post, I would even look at a fourth club.
There are 219 boys in Educate Together, Bishop Foley/St Josephs has 327, Gaelscoil 243, St Fiaccs 307 (most whom probably live in county Carlow), Green Road 65, Askea 291. Eire Og, as it stands, effectively has the cream of all that to itself. Which leaves other teams weak, and disheartens lads there, leaving them to turn to other sports. Not to mention forcing chaps who can't get a game at EO to fall away, when the could have blossomed later.
Meanwhile, Bennekerry has 195. And Palatine are able to compete just from that pool.
Go figure. It's clear we need to maximize our resources in the town.
CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 554 - 02/08/2023 11:46:47 2498561Link 0
Unusedsub (Carlow) - Posts: 73 - 02/08/2023 14:49:57 2498644Link 0
Look at the current underage development squads. The way they are set up, it seems to be easier for a kid to play elite soccer and elite football, than it is to play elite football and hurling together. Which is bizarre. Especially when you consider that our last really good minor football team (2007) had a large number of dual players.
Personally, I think there is a strong case that the town clubs should be made dual, as part of the radical reform we clearly need.
CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 554 - 02/08/2023 15:00:35 2498651Link 0
Unusedsub (Carlow) - Posts: 73 - 02/08/2023 15:07:21 2498657Link 0
My understanding of how it works now is its up to clubs to go into schools and try get players up I know o hanrahans have a dedicated gpo now and he is doing good work, that takes time, certainly what you're suggesting would make that work easier, if he had just the one school to work from he could dedicate that time to it and maximise the numbers, as it stands there are probably 8 clubs drawing from Bishop foleys while the Irish school is probably 99% eire og. Educate together and asca then are a long way behind in terms of participation, while asca seem to do well from the green road school.
So to flesh out you're suggestion then you would be looking at eire og (irish school) asca (asca school) and o hanrahans (St Josephs/bishop foley) with educate together open to all
maybe or try form a school team from educate together that enters in the juvenile leagues up to u13 maybe that's where the gdas could step in to help. That would drive participation up in the town.
Graige issue is hard to solve, it's not just graige either I can think of a few lads born and raised in town playing outside it's probably not worth the hassle trying to as it goes both ways.
Barrowsider (Carlow) - Posts: 1542 - 02/08/2023 19:17:18 2498742Link 0