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Well that's another inter County season wrapped up.both hurlers and footballers went out over the weekend, the hurlers showed enough on Saturday to suggest that they might survive next year provided we get antrim at home in the leinster.
Football was disappointing yesterday but was always going to be a struggle against an antrim team that are having a really good year. Overall a decent tailteann cup for us, 3 wins. Very poor league, hard to know where we stand. I think after 3 years of this management it's probably time to freshen things up and go for someone new, league needs to be prioritised. Tailteann Cup should only be secondary to the league.

Barrowsider (Carlow) - Posts: 1542 - 19/06/2023 09:26:07    2487064

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Presuming we take Westmeath's place in Leinster and inherit their fixtures, we will likely have Kilkenny, Wexford and Dublin at home with Antrim and Galway away.

hurlingguru (Carlow) - Posts: 1833 - 19/06/2023 09:31:52    2487070

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Replying To hurlingguru:  "Presuming we take Westmeath's place in Leinster and inherit their fixtures, we will likely have Kilkenny, Wexford and Dublin at home with Antrim and Galway away."
A good performance v Dublin probably like ourselves just short of a bench last quarter.Dont take it for granted ye will have 3 home games if it doesnt suit the KK/WD alliance running Leinster.

jobber (Westmeath) - Posts: 1362 - 19/06/2023 09:53:13    2487086

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Replying To Viking66:  "Hard luck Carlow. Well in the game for the 1st 3 quarters."
I'll echo that. It's great to see another Leinster team making progress. Next years league will be massive.

Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 913 - 19/06/2023 09:55:57    2487088

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Replying To hurlingguru:  "Presuming we take Westmeath's place in Leinster and inherit their fixtures, we will likely have Kilkenny, Wexford and Dublin at home with Antrim and Galway away."
Having antrim at home would be massive

Bimb (Carlow) - Posts: 447 - 19/06/2023 11:16:54    2487182

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Well, that's it for football for another year. Where do we go from here?

Championship form suggests we are good enough for Division Three.

We also seem to have good young players.

What do we do now?

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Also, a great year for hurling. But it's a bit worrying that minor and u20 teams haven't offered much in recent years.

Do we need to take some action now, on the underage front?

CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 554 - 19/06/2023 11:28:34    2487199

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Replying To jobber:  "A good performance v Dublin probably like ourselves just short of a bench last quarter.Dont take it for granted ye will have 3 home games if it doesnt suit the KK/WD alliance running Leinster."
Second part of your comment shows a large persecution complex and a major amount of ignorance (as in lack of knowledge).

It's well established that the team coming up from the McDonagh Cup "inherits" the fixtures of the team going down, as the other poster says. For example, this year Antrim (the promoted team) "inherited" what would have been the fixtures for Laois (who were relegated last year): home v Dublin and Kilkenny, and away v Wexford, Galway and Westmeath.

So, it's already known that Carlow will have those three home games next year, and the other two away. All that remains to be decided is the order that the matches will come in, and the respective dates.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2129 - 19/06/2023 11:44:38    2487215

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Replying To Freethinker:  "I'll echo that. It's great to see another Leinster team making progress. Next years league will be massive."
In hurling you mean? Not for Carlow it won't. Like this year it'll just be about blooding new players and trying to extend the playing pool for championship. Winning one game in Leinster championship is what next year is all about (probably v Antrim) as that probably means we get to stay in it. We build from there.

Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1411 - 19/06/2023 12:07:50    2487240

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Replying To jobber:  "A good performance v Dublin probably like ourselves just short of a bench last quarter.Dont take it for granted ye will have 3 home games if it doesnt suit the KK/WD alliance running Leinster."
I'm intrigued to hear what strokes this alleged alliance have pulled over the years?

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1496 - 19/06/2023 12:32:04    2487264

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Replying To TerribleFootwork:  "I'm intrigued to hear what strokes this alleged alliance have pulled over the years?"
I'm also intrigued about this alleged alliance.

Anyway, it mustn't be a very effective one. For instance, both Wexford and Kilkenny voted against allowing Galway into the Leinster Minor Hurling Championship, and yet they ended up in it anyway.....

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2129 - 19/06/2023 13:28:52    2487312

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Replying To CARPS:  "Well, that's it for football for another year. Where do we go from here?

Championship form suggests we are good enough for Division Three.

We also seem to have good young players.

What do we do now?

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Also, a great year for hurling. But it's a bit worrying that minor and u20 teams haven't offered much in recent years.

Do we need to take some action now, on the underage front?"
On the underage hurling front, it's simply a numbers game for us. Our current team is mainly back-boned by decent U21 teams from 2013 to 2016 where we reached a few Leinster semi finals. We just have to make sure that we keep and develop our best players from each year group. The likes of Fiachra Fitzpatrick, Jack McCullagh, Conor Kehoe, Ciaran Whelan, Jon Nolan and even Kevin McDonald and Chris Nolan wouldn't have been on the strongest minor or U21 teams but they are key players for us now and performing very well. I actually can't recall Paddy Boland hurling underage but I could be wrong!

St Mullins have done it for years where they struggle underage but are able to add a few new players every year into an already strong senior team. To my knowledge they only have 2 minor hurling titles in their history.

Hopefully this group of players have inspired the next generation to come through in 10/15 years. I think there are positive signs in clubs underage, Carlow Town/Setanta and Burren Rangers seem to have some strong underage teams and Kildavin/Clonegal have started back up hurling in their younger age groups along with entering a Junior team. I think a realistic goal we should be striving to is to have 8 senior clubs in 10 years time with Carlow Town and Burren Rangers competing at senior and hopefully Kildavin/Clonegal fielding at intermediate at least.

hurlingguru (Carlow) - Posts: 1833 - 19/06/2023 14:31:03    2487358

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Replying To jobber:  "A good performance v Dublin probably like ourselves just short of a bench last quarter.Dont take it for granted ye will have 3 home games if it doesnt suit the KK/WD alliance running Leinster."
Ah lad you talk some nonsense. What are you suggesting? That we deliberately let you win so you'd take your eye off the ball against Antrim, and that Kilkenny deliberately let us win then afterwards so you would go down? We beat them at their place last year in what was a must win game for them, if Dublin had won Kilkenny would've been out the championship. In Round Robin Group games we have played Kilkenny 4 times, won 2 and drawn one. And the only time they beat us, by one point in Nowlan Park in 2018, we should've won also but threw it away. The only other time we played them in the Round Robin years was the Leinster final in 2019 which we also won.
You had 3 home games in 2022. We only had 2.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11166 - 19/06/2023 15:55:27    2487438

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Does anyone else suddenly start to feel disappointed after Saturday? Tom Mullally and that panel have done a serious job though in fairly short course. Almost a break through. Not far off. Reliving a lot of ball over the course of today.

Passer_By (Carlow) - Posts: 502 - 19/06/2023 20:44:38    2487606

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Replying To Passer_By:  "Does anyone else suddenly start to feel disappointed after Saturday? Tom Mullally and that panel have done a serious job though in fairly short course. Almost a break through. Not far off. Reliving a lot of ball over the course of today."
Was nt at game but i agree with you....... The sense of victory from social media is baffling me........... It was a great year but an opportunity lost........ We need to be tbinking on how to build on it for next year

Bimb (Carlow) - Posts: 447 - 20/06/2023 11:12:45    2487730

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I could have another swipe at the Westmeath lad but think he's been put back in his box already, and anyway, this is supposed to be the Carlow thread.

So instead, am just going to say it's good to hear that Clonegal/Kildavin is back on the hurling map. I hope they go well.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2129 - 20/06/2023 11:25:42    2487741

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I know there wasn't any hurling in Kildavin/Clonegal for a long time but why was it that lads from Clonegal and Kildavin hurled for Ballinkillen? Would Mount Leinster Rangers not have been nearer?

Think I was told a while ago that there was political reasons behind it but I honestly don't know whether that's true or not.

ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 184 - 20/06/2023 17:49:02    2487917

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Replying To ElGranSenor:  "I know there wasn't any hurling in Kildavin/Clonegal for a long time but why was it that lads from Clonegal and Kildavin hurled for Ballinkillen? Would Mount Leinster Rangers not have been nearer?

Think I was told a while ago that there was political reasons behind it but I honestly don't know whether that's true or not."
Mount Leinster Rangers might be slightly closer as the crow flies....but the crow would be flying directly over Mount Leinster.

So unless you wanted to drive from Clonegal or Kildavin up the Blackstairs Mountains, past the Nine Stones, and down the other side, the drive to Ballinkillen is actually a bit shorter and easier.

There may well be some political reasons behind it as well, but they're the geographical ones!

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2129 - 20/06/2023 19:49:47    2487959

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Replying To ElGranSenor:  "I know there wasn't any hurling in Kildavin/Clonegal for a long time but why was it that lads from Clonegal and Kildavin hurled for Ballinkillen? Would Mount Leinster Rangers not have been nearer?

Think I was told a while ago that there was political reasons behind it but I honestly don't know whether that's true or not."
They would be lot closer to myshall but as you say there might be "political * reasons why they didn't hurl with them.

Overthebar53 (Carlow) - Posts: 145 - 21/06/2023 00:54:37    2487992

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Naomh Eoin Myshall would be the nearest club but I think they had concerns about Kildavin/Clonegal players taking spots of Naomh Eoin players.

hurlingguru (Carlow) - Posts: 1833 - 21/06/2023 08:12:39    2488005

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Replying To ElGranSenor:  "I know there wasn't any hurling in Kildavin/Clonegal for a long time but why was it that lads from Clonegal and Kildavin hurled for Ballinkillen? Would Mount Leinster Rangers not have been nearer?

Think I was told a while ago that there was political reasons behind it but I honestly don't know whether that's true or not."
The closest team before they reformed would actually be Burren Rangers who play most of their matches in Kilbride. They are however a junior club and it would definitely be 'political' reasons for not joining them. Naomh Eoin would be the nearest senior club and I'd say its similar reasons for not joining them either.

Unusedsub (Carlow) - Posts: 73 - 21/06/2023 10:18:43    2488041

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