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Replying To novalis:  "Hope the GAA 5pm throw-in is changed to earlier/later for our game vs Sligo on 18th March. A lot of counties complaining about it.

20 counties are affected with 5pm and 6pm starts:

Carlow/Sligo, Westmeath/Fermanagh, Tipp/Offaly, Galway/Armagh, Waterford/London."
RIP Liam Kearns. As far as I know, he was born in Carlow (open to correction there). His dad played for Graiguecullen, and his mother was from Carlow town.

CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 742 - 13/03/2023 11:49:35    2463677

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Replying To CARPS:  "RIP Liam Kearns. As far as I know, he was born in Carlow (open to correction there). His dad played for Graiguecullen, and his mother was from Carlow town."
Correct his Dad Ollie played on the Graige winning team in 1965 but I think he married a laois woman. Ollie won an all ireland minor with Kerry just like his son Liam. Liam was also on the Kerry senior panel in 1986 when they beat Tyrone in the final. He did brilliant work with Limerick & Tipp. I remember limerick should have beaten Kerry in one of the munster finals they contested in 2003 & 04. Think one of them went to a replay. He brought Tipp to All Ireland semi in 2016 where they gave a good account of themselves against Mayo. Very sudden & sad. Rip

carlo (Carlow) - Posts: 228 - 13/03/2023 14:34:03    2463734

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I have to laugh at Carlow Co. Board. On this week's Nationalist the Co. Board Chairman was quoted as having asked Silgo County Board to change the start time of our Div 4 league game this Saturday so as not to clash with the Ireland v England rugby game. Silgo refused to change the start time( common sense says they should have agreed to change) Then you look at the fixtures list for Saturday evening & there is a full list of Div 2 games scheduled for 5pm. So the County Board are looking to change the start time of Carlows game so as not to clash with the rugby but have no problem putting 8 clubs out in Div 2 at the same time as Carlow are playing....Carlow is a small county with a small enough support base & then you take away the support of 8 clubs by playing div 2 games at the same time. Crazy. Will be a tiny support now at Carlow game as people will either be playing/ supporting their club or watching the Ireland game.

carlo (Carlow) - Posts: 228 - 14/03/2023 18:33:29    2463948

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Any word on yesterday's football performance? Goals look like the difference ?
Big difference between the score last year in Sligo and at home in Net Cullen Park yesterday.

carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1852 - 19/03/2023 11:33:06    2464659

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Sligo coasted to a win, we are probably slightly better than last year but that's not entirely clear, it's very hard to see us bridging the gap with the teams above us in division 4, well beaten by laois and leitrim, the only notable result was a draw with wicklow.

Barrowsider (Carlow) - Posts: 1671 - 20/03/2023 09:06:47    2464974

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Replying To Barrowsider:  "Sligo coasted to a win, we are probably slightly better than last year but that's not entirely clear, it's very hard to see us bridging the gap with the teams above us in division 4, well beaten by laois and leitrim, the only notable result was a draw with wicklow."
Yes, Sligo did coast to a win even without the 2 goals they would still have won. I am not going to go into the annual Carlow gaelic football post-mortum, we are too long in div. 4 to either know or want to get out of it, most definitely no manager can do it on his own no matter who he is, Galway were not setting the world on fire 'till they brought in Cian O' Neill to assist Pauric Joyce, and it worked a treat last year, all Ireland champions Kerry brought in Tyrone's Paddy Tally to assist Jack O' Connor with major success, Dublin has also brought in Pat Gilroy to assist Dessie Farrell, etc, etc.

County boards are responsible for all gaelic football issues within the county, it's time to stop hiding and be brave.
We have 4 major field sports in within the county, Rugby, Soccer, Gaelic football and hurling, the swing is now in Rugby's favour then soccer in third place is hurling and last gaelic football, hurling has kept gaelic games flag flying in the county, and for well over 30 years football has remained stagnant with nothing for the young lads to aspire to.

Finally, in my view we could and should have beaten Wicklow contrary to other opinions, we could and should also have beaten Loise but didn't because we don't carry the sucker punch, aspiration and all that.

All that said, great credit has to go out to those lads that continue to wear the Carlow jersey, the problem is anything but the fault of all those lads that make themselves available they have to be admired and respected.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 3084 - 20/03/2023 11:30:03    2465070

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Replying To supersub15:  "Yes, Sligo did coast to a win even without the 2 goals they would still have won. I am not going to go into the annual Carlow gaelic football post-mortum, we are too long in div. 4 to either know or want to get out of it, most definitely no manager can do it on his own no matter who he is, Galway were not setting the world on fire 'till they brought in Cian O' Neill to assist Pauric Joyce, and it worked a treat last year, all Ireland champions Kerry brought in Tyrone's Paddy Tally to assist Jack O' Connor with major success, Dublin has also brought in Pat Gilroy to assist Dessie Farrell, etc, etc.

County boards are responsible for all gaelic football issues within the county, it's time to stop hiding and be brave.
We have 4 major field sports in within the county, Rugby, Soccer, Gaelic football and hurling, the swing is now in Rugby's favour then soccer in third place is hurling and last gaelic football, hurling has kept gaelic games flag flying in the county, and for well over 30 years football has remained stagnant with nothing for the young lads to aspire to.

Finally, in my view we could and should have beaten Wicklow contrary to other opinions, we could and should also have beaten Loise but didn't because we don't carry the sucker punch, aspiration and all that.

All that said, great credit has to go out to those lads that continue to wear the Carlow jersey, the problem is anything but the fault of all those lads that make themselves available they have to be admired and respected."
Absolutely, they deserve great credit, I sometimes wonder how they keep going for little or no reward in terms of success.

It's very hard in a county that has had no success at all to make a break through, even in the poacher era there was probably a few lads who could have committed but didn't for various reasons. The team that won promotion was backboned by a minor team that reached a leinster final beating the likes of westmeath meath and louth on the way and brought dublin to extra time a couple of years later at under 21. There isn't a core like that available now, we have had 10+ years of poor minor and u20/21 results.

Our schools are weak and our clubs are weak. The cbs and the pres played junior D this year. That's a good chunk of our football clubs involved there, eire og pal asca tinryland blues and add in a few laois clubs also, our club juvenile tournaments are of a low standard and that feeds into everything else, there was a time when participation was an issue that's not the case now which is a success in itself but we have to make sure the pathways exist to develop our best young players, and I think that makes more sense happening in the club environment than development squads.
That's not to say development squads don't have a place, I'd just change how it's done, generally you will have 100+ trying out for the 14s colts rather than making a single panel at that stage I'd try keep those 100+ involved in 4 area squads keeping as many involved for as long as possible, I think the gdas would each take an area with clubs from that area providing coaches, not only exposing players to better coaching but exposing the club coaches to it also, internal competition between these squads and your external games throughout the year, once you hit 16 those panels are reduced to one single panel with a coach from each of the 4 areas forming a management team that will bring these lads on through minor. For me that's keeping the club at the core of your county and also making full use of the resources we do have. You are also exposing more players to a higher level of training and getting everyone that's interested on s&c programs.

Barrowsider (Carlow) - Posts: 1671 - 21/03/2023 10:07:57    2465413

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Matters not a jot now, but as a curiosity, how is the Westmeath / Laois relegation match being played in Thurles today.

A neutral venue, as you'd expect, yet Westmeath played Carlow in Mullingar, in the same relegation playoff a few years ago?

Passer_By (Carlow) - Posts: 521 - 25/03/2023 11:55:28    2466416

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Replying To Barrowsider:  "
Replying To supersub15:  "Yes, Sligo did coast to a win even without the 2 goals they would still have won. I am not going to go into the annual Carlow gaelic football post-mortum, we are too long in div. 4 to either know or want to get out of it, most definitely no manager can do it on his own no matter who he is, Galway were not setting the world on fire 'till they brought in Cian O' Neill to assist Pauric Joyce, and it worked a treat last year, all Ireland champions Kerry brought in Tyrone's Paddy Tally to assist Jack O' Connor with major success, Dublin has also brought in Pat Gilroy to assist Dessie Farrell, etc, etc.

County boards are responsible for all gaelic football issues within the county, it's time to stop hiding and be brave.
We have 4 major field sports in within the county, Rugby, Soccer, Gaelic football and hurling, the swing is now in Rugby's favour then soccer in third place is hurling and last gaelic football, hurling has kept gaelic games flag flying in the county, and for well over 30 years football has remained stagnant with nothing for the young lads to aspire to.

Finally, in my view we could and should have beaten Wicklow contrary to other opinions, we could and should also have beaten Loise but didn't because we don't carry the sucker punch, aspiration and all that.

All that said, great credit has to go out to those lads that continue to wear the Carlow jersey, the problem is anything but the fault of all those lads that make themselves available they have to be admired and respected."
Absolutely, they deserve great credit, I sometimes wonder how they keep going for little or no reward in terms of success.

It's very hard in a county that has had no success at all to make a break through, even in the poacher era there was probably a few lads who could have committed but didn't for various reasons. The team that won promotion was backboned by a minor team that reached a leinster final beating the likes of westmeath meath and louth on the way and brought dublin to extra time a couple of years later at under 21. There isn't a core like that available now, we have had 10+ years of poor minor and u20/21 results.

Our schools are weak and our clubs are weak. The cbs and the pres played junior D this year. That's a good chunk of our football clubs involved there, eire og pal asca tinryland blues and add in a few laois clubs also, our club juvenile tournaments are of a low standard and that feeds into everything else, there was a time when participation was an issue that's not the case now which is a success in itself but we have to make sure the pathways exist to develop our best young players, and I think that makes more sense happening in the club environment than development squads.
That's not to say development squads don't have a place, I'd just change how it's done, generally you will have 100+ trying out for the 14s colts rather than making a single panel at that stage I'd try keep those 100+ involved in 4 area squads keeping as many involved for as long as possible, I think the gdas would each take an area with clubs from that area providing coaches, not only exposing players to better coaching but exposing the club coaches to it also, internal competition between these squads and your external games throughout the year, once you hit 16 those panels are reduced to one single panel with a coach from each of the 4 areas forming a management team that will bring these lads on through minor. For me that's keeping the club at the core of your county and also making full use of the resources we do have. You are also exposing more players to a higher level of training and getting everyone that's interested on s&c programs."
Although it was a disappointing result this evening at the same time I was expecting it although as you say It's very hard in a county that has had no success at all to make break through and that makes good sense to me.

Rugby, soccer, hurling and gaelic football in that order that is where the priority's lie so there is a mountain to climb to change those preferences and I'm not sure if it will be done in my life time.

The Tailteann Cup was introduced barely a year ago without giving it much thought, rushed through, so now they find it needs major surgery simply because there is a sort of a two or three part formulae required to find out who plays in the championship proper and who plays in the TC, either way the new format will be more demanding on players overall. It appears to me as if we are now dealing with a Tri-Brid competition as the nfl can decide what competition a county plays in depending on where the county finishes in their appropriate league table, like wise the Provential championship can decide the fate of a county in which cup it plays in, spare a thought for a county / counties that are stuck in div. 4 for ever.

PS. I intend to drop in here at the conclusion of every NFL to see how we are progressing, if at all.

Keep up the good work.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 3084 - 25/03/2023 21:23:12    2466581

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Replying To supersub15:  "
Replying To Barrowsider:  "[quote=supersub15:  "Yes, Sligo did coast to a win even without the 2 goals they would still have won. I am not going to go into the annual Carlow gaelic football post-mortum, we are too long in div. 4 to either know or want to get out of it, most definitely no manager can do it on his own no matter who he is, Galway were not setting the world on fire 'till they brought in Cian O' Neill to assist Pauric Joyce, and it worked a treat last year, all Ireland champions Kerry brought in Tyrone's Paddy Tally to assist Jack O' Connor with major success, Dublin has also brought in Pat Gilroy to assist Dessie Farrell, etc, etc.

County boards are responsible for all gaelic football issues within the county, it's time to stop hiding and be brave.
We have 4 major field sports in within the county, Rugby, Soccer, Gaelic football and hurling, the swing is now in Rugby's favour then soccer in third place is hurling and last gaelic football, hurling has kept gaelic games flag flying in the county, and for well over 30 years football has remained stagnant with nothing for the young lads to aspire to.

Finally, in my view we could and should have beaten Wicklow contrary to other opinions, we could and should also have beaten Loise but didn't because we don't carry the sucker punch, aspiration and all that.

All that said, great credit has to go out to those lads that continue to wear the Carlow jersey, the problem is anything but the fault of all those lads that make themselves available they have to be admired and respected."
Absolutely, they deserve great credit, I sometimes wonder how they keep going for little or no reward in terms of success.

It's very hard in a county that has had no success at all to make a break through, even in the poacher era there was probably a few lads who could have committed but didn't for various reasons. The team that won promotion was backboned by a minor team that reached a leinster final beating the likes of westmeath meath and louth on the way and brought dublin to extra time a couple of years later at under 21. There isn't a core like that available now, we have had 10+ years of poor minor and u20/21 results.

Our schools are weak and our clubs are weak. The cbs and the pres played junior D this year. That's a good chunk of our football clubs involved there, eire og pal asca tinryland blues and add in a few laois clubs also, our club juvenile tournaments are of a low standard and that feeds into everything else, there was a time when participation was an issue that's not the case now which is a success in itself but we have to make sure the pathways exist to develop our best young players, and I think that makes more sense happening in the club environment than development squads.
That's not to say development squads don't have a place, I'd just change how it's done, generally you will have 100+ trying out for the 14s colts rather than making a single panel at that stage I'd try keep those 100+ involved in 4 area squads keeping as many involved for as long as possible, I think the gdas would each take an area with clubs from that area providing coaches, not only exposing players to better coaching but exposing the club coaches to it also, internal competition between these squads and your external games throughout the year, once you hit 16 those panels are reduced to one single panel with a coach from each of the 4 areas forming a management team that will bring these lads on through minor. For me that's keeping the club at the core of your county and also making full use of the resources we do have. You are also exposing more players to a higher level of training and getting everyone that's interested on s&c programs."
Although it was a disappointing result this evening at the same time I was expecting it although as you say It's very hard in a county that has had no success at all to make break through and that makes good sense to me.

Rugby, soccer, hurling and gaelic football in that order that is where the priority's lie so there is a mountain to climb to change those preferences and I'm not sure if it will be done in my life time.

The Tailteann Cup was introduced barely a year ago without giving it much thought, rushed through, so now they find it needs major surgery simply because there is a sort of a two or three part formulae required to find out who plays in the championship proper and who plays in the TC, either way the new format will be more demanding on players overall. It appears to me as if we are now dealing with a Tri-Brid competition as the nfl can decide what competition a county plays in depending on where the county finishes in their appropriate league table, like wise the Provential championship can decide the fate of a county in which cup it plays in, spare a thought for a county / counties that are stuck in div. 4 for ever.

PS. I intend to drop in here at the conclusion of every NFL to see how we are progressing, if at all.

Keep up the good work."]What are you raving about?

Overthebar53 (Carlow) - Posts: 295 - 26/03/2023 11:07:59    2466619

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Replying To Passer_By:  "Matters not a jot now, but as a curiosity, how is the Westmeath / Laois relegation match being played in Thurles today.

A neutral venue, as you'd expect, yet Westmeath played Carlow in Mullingar, in the same relegation playoff a few years ago?"
Tullamore would have been the obvious venue for the relegation game. The fact Offaly hurlers were playing Kerry in a Div2A league semi final yesterday ruled out O'Connor Park.

thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1879 - 26/03/2023 12:20:46    2466638

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Replying To thelongridge:  "Tullamore would have been the obvious venue for the relegation game. The fact Offaly hurlers were playing Kerry in a Div2A league semi final yesterday ruled out O'Connor Park."
There was only 400 people in Semple seemingly, any club ground in Offaly could've handled that!

Laoisvillian (Laois) - Posts: 87 - 27/03/2023 09:26:04    2466977

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2023 is shaping up to be a very poor year at both codes. What's going on

Barrowsider (Carlow) - Posts: 1671 - 29/03/2023 12:51:00    2467556

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Replying To Barrowsider:  "2023 is shaping up to be a very poor year at both codes. What's going on"
I would nott share your pessimism regarding the year ahead at championship level.
At underage level we are definitely struggling and the evidence is there in the results to date.
Let's see how the under 20 hurlers get on against Kery on Saturday.
The minor footballers have yet to play as well.
At senior football we will be up against it against Wicklow but we have a chance.
The hurlers have worked very hard and I think they will have a decent run.
It's a numbers game at underage... we have not enough playing our games at high enough levels. The minor hurlers were up against a physically strong Kuldare team and the reports on the under 20 football last night against.Meath suggest the same.

carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1852 - 29/03/2023 14:15:39    2467579

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Big weekend ahead for both the senior hurlers and footballers. From what I seen over the weekend with the Kildare hurlers and Wicklow footballers, we should be going into both games expecting to win.

hurlingguru (Carlow) - Posts: 1835 - 03/04/2023 10:33:00    2468468

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Replying To hurlingguru:  "Big weekend ahead for both the senior hurlers and footballers. From what I seen over the weekend with the Kildare hurlers and Wicklow footballers, we should be going into both games expecting to win."
Agree both very winnable games.

Pity after all the wet weather we're playing championship football so early in the year and in Aughrim which is a really heavy winter pitch. Dry ball, top of the ground and short grass I'd say we'd run the legs off Wicklow who look a real heavy ground winter team especially looking how easily Sligo ran at them and through them in Croker on Saturday despite slippery wet conditions. If we have an injury free squad 50/50 game I'd say.

Hurling should be very close and nothing like the league game. Kildare have two really tough games in last three weeks though so should be very sharp. I'd be concerned we tend to lose very close hurling games in recent years. Need everyone fit and Marty and Chris in top form. Winnable though. 50/50 also I'd say.

Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1434 - 03/04/2023 14:30:52    2468562

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One of the weakest division 4 makeups in years. The final was rubbish. Any decent team further up the pecking order would hammer the pair of them.

Back to ourselves.

13pts against London. 2-10 against Wicklow (highest cumulative score in league/12 scores). 1-11 against Waterford (12 scores) and was it 2-8 against Laois (10 scores/14pts).

Can't remember exact score tally from Leitrim and Sligo, but much the same.

Drill down further to see how many of those came from placed balls/Foley.

No pleasure in saying it, but the team/set up cannot score. Commendable at retaining the ball and general effort, but come 50 or 60 minutes into most games and there's usually what's become an 'unassailable lead' of 3 or 4 pts the other way.

Don't know what if any quick fix there is, but very hard to see fortunes changing in the short term for the championship.

Passer_By (Carlow) - Posts: 521 - 04/04/2023 08:41:03    2468688

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Serious congrats all round to Jordon Morrissey, very well done.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 3084 - 04/04/2023 09:33:23    2468690

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Guys your problem is that there are too many colours on your jersey. That will count against ye on Sunday.

I have also sent a strongly worded email to Aughrim HQ requesting that the normally expensive prices for Tayto, cans, and jellies etc be doubled for the visiting fans.

See ye on Sunday.

sponger (Wicklow) - Posts: 2913 - 06/04/2023 13:09:54    2469257

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Great win today
Was confident if we played strongest 15 we could beat Kildare.
It's all about consistency now.
It's a tough competition but a good one.
A laois v Offaly final is not a foregone conclusion

Blackbog (Carlow) - Posts: 725 - 08/04/2023 17:52:38    2469602

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