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Did I read that right in a post above? O'Hanrahans are now playing junior in Carlow?

Hawkeye2 (Wicklow) - Posts: 90 - 05/10/2022 19:58:40    2442927

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Replying To TaosHum:  "Tinryland certainly aren't a team for the purists, but this is a team that two years ago would have been relegated had it not been for Covid, so there's been huge improvement since then and that's ultimately down to the management and how they are setup.

Won 4 games this year, which is more than Rathvilly and Eire Og combined. I think the level of criticism is way over the top for what they accomplished this year."
Don't get me wrong I've enjoyed tinrylands run in the championship I actually like how they go about the game, it probably needs a little fine tuning, such as a faster transition of the ball but they were not far off it

Barrowsider (Carlow) - Posts: 1378 - 06/10/2022 10:42:15    2442947

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Replying To Hawkeye2:  "Did I read that right in a post above? O'Hanrahans are now playing junior in Carlow?"
It's something that happens in football, most counties and clubs experience it at some stage, I remember in the mid 90's things weren't going too well for them at a time when they were playing intermediate football,

Mick Dempsey took over and they won the intermediate championship in '97, they were rampant and putting in serious challenges throughout the county, they won the Carlow senior football championship in 1999 the first title of 3 in a row and went on to win 4 senior championship titles in 5 years.


In 2000 after winning the Carlow senior football championship they contested the Leinster championship winning a coveted leinster senior football title.
The Blues have 17 / 18 senior titles, numerous minor, u / 21, junior and intermediate titles so no panic shall we say.

PS. I'm not an O'Hanrahan's supporter but I wouldn't write them off.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2716 - 06/10/2022 12:55:22    2442984

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Great work going on with Asca club in the past few years at underage. good to see one of the 'little guys' make strides. Some very genuine folks involved in that club and hopefully they can continue to build on their good work in the years ahead and they are rewarded for growing their roots in the wider community.

Bainisteoir (National) - Posts: 500 - 07/10/2022 18:08:31    2443152

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Football championship team of the year?

CW88 (Carlow) - Posts: 11 - 08/10/2022 12:16:13    2443180

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Senior football final first half display by Tinryland was a replica of their first half against MLR and was very poor to watch with little penetration into the scoring zone.
Like the semi they brought on subs that immediately brought a change in intensity and created far more scores.
Why oh why did Tinryland not adjust their tactics to ensure they gave themselves a better chance at winning.
Having good players on the sideline and waiting till half time to bring on makes.little sense when a much coveted final win is at stake.

carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1740 - 08/10/2022 12:30:24    2443183

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That's the football wrapped up now, clonmore impressive in their win, it was a good game the clonmore goal after half time was a thing of beauty, the number 10 for clonmore looks decent definitely should be called in for county leighlin had their moments too and never gave up.I would like to see a 10 team intermediate next season I don't see any reason why each division has to have 8 teams, intermediate is a place to develop and more games would aid that, junior c was entertaining too clonmore just had a bit extra, carpenter still a class forward for the blues if they had got a bit more ball into him it could have swung it.

Barrowsider (Carlow) - Posts: 1378 - 09/10/2022 11:02:15    2443249

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Replying To Barrowsider:  "That's the football wrapped up now, clonmore impressive in their win, it was a good game the clonmore goal after half time was a thing of beauty, the number 10 for clonmore looks decent definitely should be called in for county leighlin had their moments too and never gave up.I would like to see a 10 team intermediate next season I don't see any reason why each division has to have 8 teams, intermediate is a place to develop and more games would aid that, junior c was entertaining too clonmore just had a bit extra, carpenter still a class forward for the blues if they had got a bit more ball into him it could have swung it."
The reason why every division has to have eight teams is to avoid dead rubbers and keep every side involved until (almost) the end. If you put 10 teams in the IFC, you kill that and you dilute the Junior A.

Would Leighlinbridge have been better off, this year, a) reaching a junior final or b) getting hammered by Fenagh and probably finishing last in their IFC group?

If you were a Leighlinbridge player, the prospect of which scenario would have been more likely to make you commit for the year, back in January?

Actually, there's more of a case for making six teams per grade - with each side playing each other once, and top four in semis, plus bottom two in relegation - than ten. Would Old Leighlin and Ballinabranna have been better off in a hyper competitive IFC or a being off the pace at senior?

It would also improve our chances of winning intermediate and junior Leinster's.

The 8-8-8-8-8 format has raised standards in Carlow, and helped the county team. Expanding to 10 would be a disaster.

CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 385 - 09/10/2022 14:41:15    2443266

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Replying To CARPS:  "The reason why every division has to have eight teams is to avoid dead rubbers and keep every side involved until (almost) the end. If you put 10 teams in the IFC, you kill that and you dilute the Junior A.

Would Leighlinbridge have been better off, this year, a) reaching a junior final or b) getting hammered by Fenagh and probably finishing last in their IFC group?

If you were a Leighlinbridge player, the prospect of which scenario would have been more likely to make you commit for the year, back in January?

Actually, there's more of a case for making six teams per grade - with each side playing each other once, and top four in semis, plus bottom two in relegation - than ten. Would Old Leighlin and Ballinabranna have been better off in a hyper competitive IFC or a being off the pace at senior?

It would also improve our chances of winning intermediate and junior Leinster's.

The 8-8-8-8-8 format has raised standards in Carlow, and helped the county team. Expanding to 10 would be a disaster."
100% agree on the 6 team Championship.

At the moment, 1 win in 3 is good enough to reach a quarter final, which is too low a benchmark for me.

6 teams, top 4 into semi's, bottom 2 into relegation. No hiding, no soft groups, higher standard of football and you have to go through the best.

Every team would also play a minimum of 6 games, currently it's 4 for most teams. Senior, Prem Intermediate, Intermediate, Junior.

Won't happen, but that's the road I'd go down.

TaosHum (Carlow) - Posts: 195 - 10/10/2022 08:28:09    2443337

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Replying To CARPS:  "The reason why every division has to have eight teams is to avoid dead rubbers and keep every side involved until (almost) the end. If you put 10 teams in the IFC, you kill that and you dilute the Junior A.

Would Leighlinbridge have been better off, this year, a) reaching a junior final or b) getting hammered by Fenagh and probably finishing last in their IFC group?

If you were a Leighlinbridge player, the prospect of which scenario would have been more likely to make you commit for the year, back in January?

Actually, there's more of a case for making six teams per grade - with each side playing each other once, and top four in semis, plus bottom two in relegation - than ten. Would Old Leighlin and Ballinabranna have been better off in a hyper competitive IFC or a being off the pace at senior?

It would also improve our chances of winning intermediate and junior Leinster's.

The 8-8-8-8-8 format has raised standards in Carlow, and helped the county team. Expanding to 10 would be a disaster."
Can you show how standards have been raised?
Surely we should be looking to create more competition in our second tier if possible, I agree with keeping senior at 8 max but do we need junior A and b as it stands, we could just have an enlarged junior competition with the current junior C becoming junior b. That gives more games for clubs trying to develop it also means there is room for a loss or two without it ending your season.

Barrowsider (Carlow) - Posts: 1378 - 10/10/2022 09:09:40    2443346

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Replying To Barrowsider:  "Can you show how standards have been raised?
Surely we should be looking to create more competition in our second tier if possible, I agree with keeping senior at 8 max but do we need junior A and b as it stands, we could just have an enlarged junior competition with the current junior C becoming junior b. That gives more games for clubs trying to develop it also means there is room for a loss or two without it ending your season."
To answer your questions

a) Results of the county team show how standards have been raised. This year they beat the Munster champions of 2020 and lost by a few points to the Tailteann Cup winners. Last year they lost by 5 or 6 to Longford and the year before by 3 to Offaly. ie. they were not embarrassed, while in a major transition, after losing a lot of frontline players. From 2016-2018, they had a bit of a golden period where they reached a Leinster semi, had a back door run and won promotion from Division 4. All this has been done with a big spread of clubs on the panels, and lots of guys from intermediate, and even junior clubs. Prior to the 8 team grades being introduced (in 2014 I think?), they were beaten by 28 points by Meath. There was talk of them being regraded to Junior. Remember?

b) How does adding two teams make the IFC more competitive? It just creates dead rubbers and takes two teams out of Junior A (which they would be among the favorites to win) and puts them in as cannon fodder in the IFC. This makes no sense. The whole idea should be to give every team (and player) a realistic chance of winning a trophy every year. That's how you motivate guys to commit. What's the point, as I said, of Leighlinbridge being in the IFC, just because you'd like two more teams in it? They can't win it. Ballinabranna or Myshall are too good for them. So, they'll just get disheartened. Same goes for Asca in Junior A. It's much better they have Junior B to aim for.

c) "there is room for a loss or two without it ending your season." It's the championship. Not the primary school sports day, What do you want to do? Give everyone a star? If we want more games for teams, work on making the leagues more attractive. Perhaps run them home and away, on a fixed schedule, and take on the soccer crowd. More games, less training. That would be attractive to players.

Summary - the 8-8-8-8, etc format is the best thing that happened to Carlow football for decades. I remember a 12 team senior, where only 2 1/2 teams had a chance of winning it, and the rest of us just went through the motions. Would I have preferred to have competed for an IFC or get hockeyed by 20 points by Eire Og, or slowly strangled by Rathvilly every year? What do you think? If anything, we should tighten it even more.

CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 385 - 10/10/2022 20:50:37    2443494

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Replying To CARPS:  "To answer your questions

a) Results of the county team show how standards have been raised. This year they beat the Munster champions of 2020 and lost by a few points to the Tailteann Cup winners. Last year they lost by 5 or 6 to Longford and the year before by 3 to Offaly. ie. they were not embarrassed, while in a major transition, after losing a lot of frontline players. From 2016-2018, they had a bit of a golden period where they reached a Leinster semi, had a back door run and won promotion from Division 4. All this has been done with a big spread of clubs on the panels, and lots of guys from intermediate, and even junior clubs. Prior to the 8 team grades being introduced (in 2014 I think?), they were beaten by 28 points by Meath. There was talk of them being regraded to Junior. Remember?

b) How does adding two teams make the IFC more competitive? It just creates dead rubbers and takes two teams out of Junior A (which they would be among the favorites to win) and puts them in as cannon fodder in the IFC. This makes no sense. The whole idea should be to give every team (and player) a realistic chance of winning a trophy every year. That's how you motivate guys to commit. What's the point, as I said, of Leighlinbridge being in the IFC, just because you'd like two more teams in it? They can't win it. Ballinabranna or Myshall are too good for them. So, they'll just get disheartened. Same goes for Asca in Junior A. It's much better they have Junior B to aim for.

c) "there is room for a loss or two without it ending your season." It's the championship. Not the primary school sports day, What do you want to do? Give everyone a star? If we want more games for teams, work on making the leagues more attractive. Perhaps run them home and away, on a fixed schedule, and take on the soccer crowd. More games, less training. That would be attractive to players.

Summary - the 8-8-8-8, etc format is the best thing that happened to Carlow football for decades. I remember a 12 team senior, where only 2 1/2 teams had a chance of winning it, and the rest of us just went through the motions. Would I have preferred to have competed for an IFC or get hockeyed by 20 points by Eire Og, or slowly strangled by Rathvilly every year? What do you think? If anything, we should tighten it even more."
Carlows up turn in 17/18 was down to poacher not the club championship format, club championships should be fluid, sometimes bigger sometimes smaller depending on the standard, there would be a credible argument for a 6 team senior, there is also a case for redoing our secondary and junior championships, clonmore were far too strong for junior leighlin would not be whipping boys either, you will find your level either way, and you will have dead rubbers no matter what way you structure it, playing more games is important as the league is a farce as it stands. Removing promotion/demotion was a disaster

Barrowsider (Carlow) - Posts: 1378 - 11/10/2022 10:56:54    2443538

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I see Pal vs St pats of Wicklow is on live on RTE2 this night next week. Great for both teams to get this typecc CV if profile. Hopefully Pal do themselves justice.

Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1341 - 15/10/2022 20:16:27    2444134

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A vèy big ask for Pal on Saturday night against Wicklow's St Pat's.
Leinster club championship is a very different proposal than local club championship where the ability to defend and turn often limited possession into scores is key.
Speed from defence has been one of the hallmarks of this Pal team but they will need to win possession from their own kick outs and with a lighter than usual Pal forward line much will depend on their more.senior players in the team.
Looking forward to the occasion and should be a good match.

carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1740 - 18/10/2022 09:49:50    2444452

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Replying To Barrowsider:  "Carlows up turn in 17/18 was down to poacher not the club championship format, club championships should be fluid, sometimes bigger sometimes smaller depending on the standard, there would be a credible argument for a 6 team senior, there is also a case for redoing our secondary and junior championships, clonmore were far too strong for junior leighlin would not be whipping boys either, you will find your level either way, and you will have dead rubbers no matter what way you structure it, playing more games is important as the league is a farce as it stands. Removing promotion/demotion was a disaster"
Forgot to come back on this... sorry, there's no way it was all down to Poacher. No more than beating Tipperary this year was all down to Niall Carew. The players have to be there. And Poacher had decent players... his skill was in organizing them... the more competitive club championships encourage guys to commit.

as for "clonmore were far too strong for junior." If so, why did they need a final replay to win the title?

As for sticking to the eight team formats? Well, I have say Fenagh's poor display today in Leinster suggests we should he thinking about a six team seniors and intermediate. That was very poor. Against Wicklow: 17 points to 6?

How about Senior next year: Bagenalstown, Eire Og, Mt Leinster, Palatine, Rathvilly, Tinryland,

Intermediate: Ballinabranna, Fenagh, Kilbride, Kildavin, Myshall, Old Leighlin

Junior A: Clonmore, Eire Og 2, Grange, O'Hanrahan's, Leighlinbridge, Tullow

Junior B: Bagenalstown 2, Ballon, Fighting Cocks, Old Leighlin 2, Palatine 2, Tinryland 2

Junior C: Asca, Ballinabranna 2, Fenagh , Kildavin 2, St Mullins, Rathvilly 2

All teams play each once, Top 4 go into semis, bottom two into relegation. Everyone guaranteed 6 games. That's two more than at present.

Can put the other 10 teams into a Junior D with two groups of five, I guess.

CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 385 - 22/10/2022 19:49:40    2445059

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I see Turlough O'Brien on the TV tonight. Is he still Eire Og manager or will he be next year? They didn't seem to go well this year anyway.

CmonAymonow (Laois) - Posts: 154 - 22/10/2022 20:20:52    2445063

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Replying To carlowman:  "A vèy big ask for Pal on Saturday night against Wicklow's St Pat's.
Leinster club championship is a very different proposal than local club championship where the ability to defend and turn often limited possession into scores is key.
Speed from defence has been one of the hallmarks of this Pal team but they will need to win possession from their own kick outs and with a lighter than usual Pal forward line much will depend on their more.senior players in the team.
Looking forward to the occasion and should be a good match."
I would have thought that the result in itself was worth a couple of positive comments, to score 2-14 in a LSF championship game no matter who the opposition are is worth a mention, to concede only 0-08 over the hour is also worth a mention, along with Shane O'Neills scoring ability.

The game against Portarlington / Castletown will no doubt be a bigger ask, however one game at a time as they say.

Q. - Was the win against St. Pat's a shock result, a surprise result, or an expected result.?

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2716 - 24/10/2022 10:35:44    2445219

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Replying To supersub15:  "I would have thought that the result in itself was worth a couple of positive comments, to score 2-14 in a LSF championship game no matter who the opposition are is worth a mention, to concede only 0-08 over the hour is also worth a mention, along with Shane O'Neills scoring ability.

The game against Portarlington / Castletown will no doubt be a bigger ask, however one game at a time as they say.

Q. - Was the win against St. Pat's a shock result, a surprise result, or an expected result.?"
Not a shock and not a surprise but what was a surprise was the margin. Consider also the two penalties not awarded and Pal could have given them an even bigger beating. In truth St Pats were awful I dunno how they won in Wicklow they seemed to have no mobility at all and no structure at all to their play. I spent about 10 minutes at end of the first half on Saturday looking carefully to try see what way Pats were setting up attacks coming out with the ball and there was no pattern at all. Some lads would make runs once and then not the next time. What they were trying to do on Pal kick outs I dunno either. How they could win a senior championship anywhere is a mystery but Pal in fairness were very good and never let them into it. Pal have plenty of legs but next round will be a different kettle of fish but is winnable. Port will be favourites surely though with 3 in a row titles in Leix.

Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1341 - 24/10/2022 14:17:24    2445267

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Replying To supersub15:  "I would have thought that the result in itself was worth a couple of positive comments, to score 2-14 in a LSF championship game no matter who the opposition are is worth a mention, to concede only 0-08 over the hour is also worth a mention, along with Shane O'Neills scoring ability.

The game against Portarlington / Castletown will no doubt be a bigger ask, however one game at a time as they say.

Q. - Was the win against St. Pat's a shock result, a surprise result, or an expected result.?"
Great result for Pal, wins in Leinster for Carlow teams outside of EO are few and far between, so have to give them credit.

St Pats were terrible though, Surprised at how poor they were, gave Crowley so much freedom Pal also down 4 starters,.

Game against Portarlington will be a real test. Helps it's in Carlow, but you'd still expect the Laois side to come out on top.

TaosHum (Carlow) - Posts: 195 - 24/10/2022 14:31:05    2445271

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Replying To TaosHum:  "Great result for Pal, wins in Leinster for Carlow teams outside of EO are few and far between, so have to give them credit.

St Pats were terrible though, Surprised at how poor they were, gave Crowley so much freedom Pal also down 4 starters,.

Game against Portarlington will be a real test. Helps it's in Carlow, but you'd still expect the Laois side to come out on top."
Well done Pal ! A shock or surprise I don't know what you would call it but no doubt that Pal were fully focused from the throw in and after around 10 minutes or so they were on top for the rest of the game.
Full credit to Palatine for their massive.improvement they have shown since the start of the year.
As for St Pat's.... they were fierce disappointing and apart from the first 10 or so minutes played with little pattern and confidence and seemed.to be stuck to the ground.
It is difficult to win a county final and then play 6 days later while Pal.had a decent spell to prepare for the match
I thought midfield would be challenging for Pal but in fairness was there a position where they were not on top ?
Shane O Neill was seriously good as was Crowley Moran and Capt Kane and Pal were in full control especially in the second half and right from the throw in.
Tye next day against Portarlington will be a different challenge but if Pal can play the same again and are allowed to do so then they have every chance.
Port are very experienced now and will be difficult to beat but Pal will have gained a lot of confidence from Sat night.
Isn't it great to see a team play with pace and actually go for it... and not be consumed with holding possession and afraid to have a go !
Looking at Pal attacking they are playing lovely ball into space and Egan and Crowley can attack from any angle.
Very positive for our county going forward to see Pal playing so well. Hats off to the management for getting game time into young players as well.

carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1740 - 24/10/2022 17:30:40    2445294

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