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Replying To CRTW:  "If Tinryland are exploring legal options I think it'll be a waste of time and money. They haven't even been relegated yet. If Louth didn't get a replay in 2010 I can't see this result being changed now. They'd be better off taking this emotion and putting it into a performance in a relegation final and taking a huge scalp out of senior football. Does anyone know what happens to Eire Ogs inter team if their senior is relegated? I've heard a few different things and just wondering does anyone have anything concrete?"
It's very simple.

if Eire Og are relegated, their Intermediate team drops to Junior A, and their Junior B team stays in Junior B.

Unless there is a fudge, and given the power of the club, it's not impossible.

CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 932 - 24/09/2025 10:03:48    2637268

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Replying To CARPS:  "It's very simple.

if Eire Og are relegated, their Intermediate team drops to Junior A, and their Junior B team stays in Junior B.

Unless there is a fudge, and given the power of the club, it's not impossible."
Why would they be forced down to Junior? Why couldnt they have 2 intermediate teams?
Ballygunner are going to have 2 senior teams in the 2026 Waterford Senior hurling championship after winning the intermediate championship this year.
Just name 2 squads at the start of the year. If they split them both 50/50, both teams would be favourites to make the final of it.

Repeat1944 (Carlow) - Posts: 11 - 24/09/2025 10:59:07    2637277

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Replying To CARPS:  "It's very simple.

if Eire Og are relegated, their Intermediate team drops to Junior A, and their Junior B team stays in Junior B.

Unless there is a fudge, and given the power of the club, it's not impossible."
Is this actual fact or just what you're saying should happen? I think sending their second team to junior is slightly unfair. They could make an intermediate final but lose and be relegated? Not exactly fair on the junior clubs either that a senior relegation impacts their grade so much the followig year as EO would surely just be heavy favourites to win that grade.

CRTW (Carlow) - Posts: 31 - 24/09/2025 11:46:29    2637287

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Replying To CRTW:  "Is this actual fact or just what you're saying should happen? I think sending their second team to junior is slightly unfair. They could make an intermediate final but lose and be relegated? Not exactly fair on the junior clubs either that a senior relegation impacts their grade so much the followig year as EO would surely just be heavy favourites to win that grade."
As I understand it, their intermediate team would drop back to junior. We have never had a club with 2 teams in the same grade to my knowledge anyway.

I actually think 2nd and 3rd teams should be in reserve championships not in the main championships

Barrowsider (Carlow) - Posts: 1729 - 24/09/2025 13:23:01    2637299

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Replying To CARPS:  "The only change I would make is to rotate the seasons. Make football go first next year, so hurling has a better shot in Leinster.

As for dual clubs, what are you talking about?

There is MLR, Naomh Eoin, St Mullins, Bagenalstown Gaels, Kildavin.

And you may as well include Fenagh/Ballinkillen. Who really should just merge at this point.

Then you have area teams like Burrin, Naomh Brid and Carlow Town.

Personally, I would like to see more clubs getting their act together and going dual: the obvious candidates are St Patricks, Eire Og, Rathvilly, Palatine and Clonmore.

I simply can't understand what is wrong with Eire Og, why can't they see it's an obvious progression for them?"
Just in relation to this, in my book a genuine dual club gives just as much effort into both codes, in most of these clubs cases they fulfill the fixtures in one code and properly train and make an effort in the other. Doing 3/4 training sessions on one code and 1/4 on the other doesn't make you a 'genuine' dual club in my eyes. A lot of the clubs you've mentioned do put the effort in at underage and must be applauded for that, however it doesn't seem to continue into adulthood for some reason.

CRTW (Carlow) - Posts: 31 - 24/09/2025 13:31:25    2637301

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Replying To CRTW:  "Is this actual fact or just what you're saying should happen? I think sending their second team to junior is slightly unfair. They could make an intermediate final but lose and be relegated? Not exactly fair on the junior clubs either that a senior relegation impacts their grade so much the followig year as EO would surely just be heavy favourites to win that grade."
My own club was in a kind of similar situation many many moons ago. And we were told both teams would move down a grade. As it happens, we won the playoff.

CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 932 - 24/09/2025 14:12:32    2637310

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Replying To CRTW:  "Just in relation to this, in my book a genuine dual club gives just as much effort into both codes, in most of these clubs cases they fulfill the fixtures in one code and properly train and make an effort in the other. Doing 3/4 training sessions on one code and 1/4 on the other doesn't make you a 'genuine' dual club in my eyes. A lot of the clubs you've mentioned do put the effort in at underage and must be applauded for that, however it doesn't seem to continue into adulthood for some reason."
There is only one of those clubs not putting in a double effort... St Mullins.

The others are trying to compete in both.

CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 932 - 24/09/2025 14:13:43    2637311

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Replying To ACarlowGael:  "The county board's hands are tied on this one. The rules state an objection can't be upheld where it relates to a referee incorrectly allowing or failing to allow a score.

Another poster mentioned it's a different story if it was the last kick of the game which is true. Another 45-50 minutes were played after the incident of which Tinryland had an extra man for nearly 20 minutes which seems more advantageous in the new rules compared to the past. They also had enough possession to win that game.

It's unfortunate the way things have planned out but who knows what way the game would have went if that score was allowed, maybe Tinryland would have won by 10 points, who knows. I'm sure if you knitpicked every decision in the game you would find frees awarded, not awarded and same with yellow, black cards etc. that could have impacted the game. The reality is it should have been awarded but as in every walk in life, human error is a factor is every game played."
Couldn't agree more. Furthermore, Tinryland have won one game in two years at senior level which was last year's relegation game. So they're very blessed to have another opportunity to stay at the level imo

Scallions9991 (Carlow) - Posts: 2 - 24/09/2025 14:31:32    2637314

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Replying To Scallions9991:  "Couldn't agree more. Furthermore, Tinryland have won one game in two years at senior level which was last year's relegation game. So they're very blessed to have another opportunity to stay at the level imo"
Exactly. Been in the "easier" group for the last two years. They have won just one game in 2 seasons so deserve to be in the relegation final. Their underage is very poor at present too. They haven't been at the latter stages of underage championships in recent years. At U14 and U16 level, they are joined with Asca and compete in Div2. Their problems are much more long term than just a relegation from senior this year.

CW88 (Carlow) - Posts: 36 - 24/09/2025 16:20:36    2637327

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Replying To CARPS:  "There is only one of those clubs not putting in a double effort... St Mullins.

The others are trying to compete in both."
To even call SM a dual club is probably stretching it. I doubt they'd call themselves a dual club. They don't even enter teams at underage level in football it starts and ends at adult level and even then, although they are flying fit, that's more of a social football team. They don't seem in the humour for it at all this year though.

Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1674 - 24/09/2025 18:55:43    2637339

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Replying To Onion Breath:  "To even call SM a dual club is probably stretching it. I doubt they'd call themselves a dual club. They don't even enter teams at underage level in football it starts and ends at adult level and even then, although they are flying fit, that's more of a social football team. They don't seem in the humour for it at all this year though."
On a related point, At county board level I can never understand why a dual club have not got 2 votes as against a single code club with one. For example, Ballinkillen fenagh are basically same club but have a vote each, 2 votes, while Bagenalstown gales who are a proper dual club have one.
Defining dual would be important, I'd suggest you have to field in adult and juvenile in both codes previous year.. that would include Saint mullins to be fair as they field underage also..
If croke park are genuine about driving hurling they'd change this, but ????

Carlowtothecore1 (Carlow) - Posts: 77 - 25/09/2025 08:15:26    2637367

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Replying To Carlowtothecore1:  "On a related point, At county board level I can never understand why a dual club have not got 2 votes as against a single code club with one. For example, Ballinkillen fenagh are basically same club but have a vote each, 2 votes, while Bagenalstown gales who are a proper dual club have one.
Defining dual would be important, I'd suggest you have to field in adult and juvenile in both codes previous year.. that would include Saint mullins to be fair as they field underage also..
If croke park are genuine about driving hurling they'd change this, but ????"
It's a fair point but I don't know how it would work within the GAA rules. Maybe it would trigger football clubs to start hurling!!!!

The reality is its the football clubs that have the power to change championship structures or change whether football is played before hurling. I know some dual clubs submitted motions last year to revert to the old structure of two weeks hurling followed by two weeks football.

The majority of the football clubs are happy with the current structure. It allows their players to do what they want in summer months, play hurling, take holidays, go on J1s etc. so not sure if we'll see a change in the near future.

ACarlowGael (Carlow) - Posts: 13 - 25/09/2025 09:58:19    2637375

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Replying To Carlowtothecore1:  "On a related point, At county board level I can never understand why a dual club have not got 2 votes as against a single code club with one. For example, Ballinkillen fenagh are basically same club but have a vote each, 2 votes, while Bagenalstown gales who are a proper dual club have one.
Defining dual would be important, I'd suggest you have to field in adult and juvenile in both codes previous year.. that would include Saint mullins to be fair as they field underage also..
If croke park are genuine about driving hurling they'd change this, but ????"
Agree 100%. About 30 years ago, a club in Carlow proposed a motion on this. It didn't get anywhere.

I'd go further and give each club four votes. one for fielding at underage and one for senior, in both codes.

It's insane that Leighlinbridge or The Fighting Cocks (adult football only) have the same amount of votes as MLR (a full service club).

It should be 4 to MLR, Naomh Eoin, Bagenalstown, etc. and 1 to the Cocks, Leighlinbridge, Kilbride etc.

CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 932 - 25/09/2025 10:21:46    2637380

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Replying To Carlowtothecore1:  "On a related point, At county board level I can never understand why a dual club have not got 2 votes as against a single code club with one. For example, Ballinkillen fenagh are basically same club but have a vote each, 2 votes, while Bagenalstown gales who are a proper dual club have one.
Defining dual would be important, I'd suggest you have to field in adult and juvenile in both codes previous year.. that would include Saint mullins to be fair as they field underage also..
If croke park are genuine about driving hurling they'd change this, but ????"
Is it not fairly self explanatory?? They are separate clubs, pay separate affiliation/registration fees etc. lots of clubs have links to other clubs through codes but are separate clubs.

old yellar (None) - Posts: 2640 - 25/09/2025 11:08:06    2637387

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Replying To old yellar:  "Is it not fairly self explanatory?? They are separate clubs, pay separate affiliation/registration fees etc. lots of clubs have links to other clubs through codes but are separate clubs."
Wait til the camoige and LGFA integrate with the GAA ... will each of their clubs have an equal voting right on say the structure or the timing of the mens SFC?

Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1674 - 25/09/2025 11:30:53    2637391

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Replying To Scallions9991:  "Couldn't agree more. Furthermore, Tinryland have won one game in two years at senior level which was last year's relegation game. So they're very blessed to have another opportunity to stay at the level imo"
That is interesting to see point you made re T/land's record at senior. The question I have is though, how is a club with such a decent pick, facilities and set up are perennially underachieving ? Their near neighbours Pal seem to have turbo charged that club over the past 10 / 20 years ...

Bainisteoir (National) - Posts: 587 - 25/09/2025 12:21:20    2637405

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Replying To old yellar:  "Is it not fairly self explanatory?? They are separate clubs, pay separate affiliation/registration fees etc. lots of clubs have links to other clubs through codes but are separate clubs."
Yes, but that's the ould way of looking at it! GAA are trying to incentivise clubs to dual, promote hurling, eg Rathvilly, by giving them a few bits of free gear…and a photo shoot in croke park, not worth a ****! But an extra vote at co board level would def appeal.. and sort out EOs and Pals anti hurling approach.. affiliation fees etc is all about money, they need to move beyond that..

Carlowtothecore1 (Carlow) - Posts: 77 - 25/09/2025 12:22:35    2637406

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Replying To Scallions9991:  "Couldn't agree more. Furthermore, Tinryland have won one game in two years at senior level which was last year's relegation game. So they're very blessed to have another opportunity to stay at the level imo"
Eire Og have only won one game more than Tinryland over the last two years, they both beat Clonmore in 2024 with Eire Og also beating MLR in the quarter final by a controversial last minute penalty. So 2 wins in 8 games for Eire Og and 1 win in 7 games for Tinryland since 2023 when they last played each other in the county final. However relegation finals are treated as a seperate competition to the Carlow Senior football Championship so technically Tinryland have 0 wins in 6 Championship games but the stats suggest both sides are well matched.

Carlowrising (Carlow) - Posts: 178 - 25/09/2025 13:16:10    2637417

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Replying To Scallions9991:  "Couldn't agree more. Furthermore, Tinryland have won one game in two years at senior level which was last year's relegation game. So they're very blessed to have another opportunity to stay at the level imo"
Eire Og have only won one game more than Tinryland over the last two years, they both beat Clonmore in 2024 with Eire Og also beating MLR in the quarter final by a controversial last minute penalty. So 2 wins in 8 games for Eire Og and 1 win in 7 games for Tinryland since 2023 when they last played each other in the county final. However relegation finals are treated as a seperate competition to the Carlow Senior football Championship so technically Tinryland have 0 wins in 6 Championship games but the stats suggest both sides are well matched.

Carlowrising (Carlow) - Posts: 178 - 25/09/2025 13:16:14    2637419

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Replying To Bainisteoir:  "That is interesting to see point you made re T/land's record at senior. The question I have is though, how is a club with such a decent pick, facilities and set up are perennially underachieving ? Their near neighbours Pal seem to have turbo charged that club over the past 10 / 20 years ..."
Bennekerry NS has twice as many pupils as Tinryland NS and has grown considerably over the past twenty or so years.

TaosHum (Carlow) - Posts: 251 - 25/09/2025 13:24:46    2637423

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