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Replying To carlowman:  "There is no doubt that Louth were by far the better team.
But hankering back a bygone era where the quality of fare offered by the previous management team was beyond boring and proved ineffective is of little use.
It's been shown time and again that that particular style wasn't effective. There is no team in the country playing that style of football now... and as far as the individual you named... did any county go looking for him since ?
That style kept the score down. One result... against the poorest prepared and poorly led Kildare team ever, just does not do it for me.
The current manager has inherited a team where a huge number of experienced and committed players just reached the stage where they could do no more for the county.
That is the reality.
Time for patience and rebuilding as best we can."
"A bygone era?" You mean a few years ago?

"One result?" Poacher was there for three seasons. In the championship, we beat Wexford, Louth, Kildare, London and Leitrim.

Carew has been there for three seasons also. We have won ZERO games in the championship.

Just stop. Please just stop.

CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 377 - 27/04/2022 10:02:03    2413511

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Replying To carlowman:  "...played in Croke Oark v Laois with the most negative set up of any Carlow team ever.
We were there, and there was not even one move on the entire 70 plus minutes where anyone from Carlow shouted encouragement or thought about standing up... and we had 70 min to get to a Leinster final!!!!
If champonship is what its about, we had a realistic chance of beating our neighbours and it was pitiful and I don't blame the players, I blame the management for the set up of the team.
The only thraet was Morrissey at half back an Laois fouled each time he passed the midfield.
An absolute replicate of an earlier league game in O Moore Park....
Do you remember that game...another absolute dire set up again of the team and again Laois read us like a book and they had absolutely no bother in beating us. The same as Croke Park a little later on... shocking performances from the management team... when was the last time a Carlow team with chances of getting to a Leinater final performed so abysmally ? Absolutely no effort at attacking and scoring...and maybe winning the match!
The easiest Laois ever had it against us.
And don't get me started on the discipline of management and the shocking example that was... and as I said, what county has taken the northern gentleman since?
He is not wanted."
Dont forget the reason they were in a Leinster Semi Final in the first place was because of this system. They beat Louth by 10 & Kildare by 7 playing that system. They would have been destroyed by people if they had ripped it up before Laois game as it was working. Yes they could have made changes when we were still behind in the 2nd half but obviously they thought it would come good but unfortunately it didnt. As I have stated before I was never a fan of the negative system but I am a fan of winning & that system got us promoted & beat Wexford, London, Leitrim, Louth, Kildare & were 4 points off a Leinster Final. We also frightened the life out of Monaghan in a qualifier. That will go down as one of our best periods ever. I remember the excitement around the county before the semi & dreaming of a Leinster Final, we were so close.... Now we concede 5 goals to Louth & lose to London & Leitrim in league. I was there on Sunday & I dont think I ever felt as low about our prospects afterwards. Well done to all the lads who committed but we have a better team at home than we do playing. Dark days ahead

carlo (Carlow) - Posts: 142 - 27/04/2022 11:53:28    2413560

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Replying To CARPS:  ""A bygone era?" You mean a few years ago?

"One result?" Poacher was there for three seasons. In the championship, we beat Wexford, Louth, Kildare, London and Leitrim.

Carew has been there for three seasons also. We have won ZERO games in the championship.

Just stop. Please just stop."
Where in Ireland or the Americas is the style and set up played by Carlow footballers for 3 years now in vogue... nowhere !
The person brought in cost a small fortune, and no county in Ireland has used his services. That tells a very clear story.
He is gone, and so is that system of play.
If his style and system was respected, then he would be a manager of another county. But, he is not.

carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1698 - 27/04/2022 12:04:10    2413565

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Replying To carlowman:  "Where in Ireland or the Americas is the style and set up played by Carlow footballers for 3 years now in vogue... nowhere !
The person brought in cost a small fortune, and no county in Ireland has used his services. That tells a very clear story.
He is gone, and so is that system of play.
If his style and system was respected, then he would be a manager of another county. But, he is not."
The management that replaced Turlough/Poacher cost the County Board more than they did.

Just stop. You're either trolling (in which case, well done), or you're delusional.

Letting Poacher go was a massive mistake. And it upset some players so much that they walked.

As for why others haven't snapped him up? Some problem just suit certain situations. Look at our hurling manager? He did amazing things with MLR, but it just hasn't clicked with the county. That's life.

Poacher suited Carlow football. We have to be a sort of 'crazy gang' to succeed. We don't have the numbers other counties have.

CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 377 - 27/04/2022 12:34:12    2413577

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I would have liked to have seen Poacher get the job instead of Carew, but no one is getting much more from the current panel of players. That's not knocking the lads that are in there, fair play to them for committing, but it's the weakest Carlow panel I think I've ever seen.

You could argue Poahcer would have got more lads to commit, but I think the likes of Remond, Broderick, Murphys, Gannon, Kavanagh, St. Ledger, would have retired anyway. Lee Walker would have still gone to Graigue, Lawler and Murphy play with the hurlers.

Was always going to be a transitional period.

TaosHum (Carlow) - Posts: 177 - 28/04/2022 09:37:34    2413769

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I would have liked poacher to get the job too, but that would still have just pushed the bigger problem a couple of years down the road, we are not producing competitive u20 and minor teams, this is the problem and we have to address that or we will never improve, we have to take a long hard and honest look at how we develop our next generation of senior players, be that at club level or county development squads. S&c is a vital component of that and we lag years behind on that

Development squads, the % of players that go on to play senior inter County from these is tiny, maybe the model needs changing, is it worth putting 4 years work into something that has proven so unsuccessful, would regional squads work better where you interact with as many footballers as possible for as long as possible, rather than telling 13 year olds they aren't good enough, keep as many that are interested going as long as possible.

Clubs, why are they so adverse to playing division 1 football, year after year there is a stampede to play division 2 football at most ages, big clubs with good numbers fielding teams in division 2 and 3, there needs to be a cultural shift there, if you can field 2 teams your first team should be division 1, also the lack of s&c at club level is a real issue, I was talking to a kildare coach recently and between club and county his players were interacting with s&c/athletic development 3-4 times a week off season, if all our club committed to even 1 night for their players this would have an impact, you wouldn't see such small county seniors fielding each year

We can talk all we want about senior managers but in my opinion that is downstream of player development, until we sort that out it won't matter who is over the seniors, the game has moved on considerably in recent years, our clubs need to lead on this.

Barrowsider (Carlow) - Posts: 1356 - 29/04/2022 10:09:37    2413999

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Hurlers match is on Páirc tv Saturday at 12.30.

Hopefully a better performance than last week.

carlovia (None) - Posts: 1471 - 29/04/2022 15:43:51    2414076

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Replying To Barrowsider:  "I would have liked poacher to get the job too, but that would still have just pushed the bigger problem a couple of years down the road, we are not producing competitive u20 and minor teams, this is the problem and we have to address that or we will never improve, we have to take a long hard and honest look at how we develop our next generation of senior players, be that at club level or county development squads. S&c is a vital component of that and we lag years behind on that

Development squads, the % of players that go on to play senior inter County from these is tiny, maybe the model needs changing, is it worth putting 4 years work into something that has proven so unsuccessful, would regional squads work better where you interact with as many footballers as possible for as long as possible, rather than telling 13 year olds they aren't good enough, keep as many that are interested going as long as possible.

Clubs, why are they so adverse to playing division 1 football, year after year there is a stampede to play division 2 football at most ages, big clubs with good numbers fielding teams in division 2 and 3, there needs to be a cultural shift there, if you can field 2 teams your first team should be division 1, also the lack of s&c at club level is a real issue, I was talking to a kildare coach recently and between club and county his players were interacting with s&c/athletic development 3-4 times a week off season, if all our club committed to even 1 night for their players this would have an impact, you wouldn't see such small county seniors fielding each year

We can talk all we want about senior managers but in my opinion that is downstream of player development, until we sort that out it won't matter who is over the seniors, the game has moved on considerably in recent years, our clubs need to lead on this."
Looking at it with a long term view it may be worth organizing a Carlow GAA matchmaking festival to help produce more gifted athlete's. Think if Choo Choo were to mate with Molly Scott, Paul Broderick with Lauren Dwyer or the potential offspring of Johnny Nevin and Valerie Crean. Food for thought.

Carlowrising (Carlow) - Posts: 63 - 29/04/2022 16:37:17    2414082

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Replying To CARPS:  "You are some joker.

"The easiest Laois ever had it against us."

Do you realise that Carlow hasn't beaten Leix since 1988?

36 years?

In league or championship.

Some of the defeats have been very heavy.

We lost by four points that day."
You're correct about the league and championship. Only exception within that time was an O' Byrne cup win by a point in Portarlington. A great late point from play by the Skeagh.

Given their relegation and hiding in Aughrim, it looks a case that they're sinking down closer to our current level. They still have a bit of road to travel mind. Tis depressing stuff

I'd have given the job to Poacher too. Completely bonkers. But we are where we are as they say - and with no clear map or joined up plan...

Passer_By (Carlow) - Posts: 478 - 30/04/2022 11:05:13    2414124

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Replying To Carlowrising:  "Looking at it with a long term view it may be worth organizing a Carlow GAA matchmaking festival to help produce more gifted athlete's. Think if Choo Choo were to mate with Molly Scott, Paul Broderick with Lauren Dwyer or the potential offspring of Johnny Nevin and Valerie Crean. Food for thought."
Eugenics went out of fashion in the mid 1940s... for reasons that should be obvious.

CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 377 - 30/04/2022 15:25:19    2414189

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Replying To Barrowsider:  "I would have liked poacher to get the job too, but that would still have just pushed the bigger problem a couple of years down the road, we are not producing competitive u20 and minor teams, this is the problem and we have to address that or we will never improve, we have to take a long hard and honest look at how we develop our next generation of senior players, be that at club level or county development squads. S&c is a vital component of that and we lag years behind on that

Development squads, the % of players that go on to play senior inter County from these is tiny, maybe the model needs changing, is it worth putting 4 years work into something that has proven so unsuccessful, would regional squads work better where you interact with as many footballers as possible for as long as possible, rather than telling 13 year olds they aren't good enough, keep as many that are interested going as long as possible.

Clubs, why are they so adverse to playing division 1 football, year after year there is a stampede to play division 2 football at most ages, big clubs with good numbers fielding teams in division 2 and 3, there needs to be a cultural shift there, if you can field 2 teams your first team should be division 1, also the lack of s&c at club level is a real issue, I was talking to a kildare coach recently and between club and county his players were interacting with s&c/athletic development 3-4 times a week off season, if all our club committed to even 1 night for their players this would have an impact, you wouldn't see such small county seniors fielding each year

We can talk all we want about senior managers but in my opinion that is downstream of player development, until we sort that out it won't matter who is over the seniors, the game has moved on considerably in recent years, our clubs need to lead on this."
Agree 100% with your points about underage... However, argument here was about senior management... tbf, as other counties have shown, and as we ourselves proved a few years ago, any county which has a) most of its best players available and committed, b) a coach capable of getting them fit and c) a game plan which the players buy into can compete at Division 3 and 4 level. Sometimes even into Division 2.

A good example being the current Louth squad.

We have neither a), b) or c) right now.

CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 377 - 30/04/2022 15:30:30    2414192

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Replying To CARPS:  "Agree 100% with your points about underage... However, argument here was about senior management... tbf, as other counties have shown, and as we ourselves proved a few years ago, any county which has a) most of its best players available and committed, b) a coach capable of getting them fit and c) a game plan which the players buy into can compete at Division 3 and 4 level. Sometimes even into Division 2.

A good example being the current Louth squad.

We have neither a), b) or c) right now."
I don't disagree with you, but we can't compete at minor or under 20 so I'm not sure anyone could change that, the relative success of 2017-18 was achieved due to competive under age teams ten years previous, in the last 10 years no such teams exist

Barrowsider (Carlow) - Posts: 1356 - 04/05/2022 12:52:51    2414836

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Replying To Barrowsider:  "I don't disagree with you, but we can't compete at minor or under 20 so I'm not sure anyone could change that, the relative success of 2017-18 was achieved due to competive under age teams ten years previous, in the last 10 years no such teams exist"
And where do you think the next generation of players are going to get the desire or enthusiasm to pay for their county at underage level? I noticed at some of those Summer matches young kids wearing Carow jerseys on the pitch at DCP during Turloughs time at half time against Monaghan and Tyrone. There was enthusiasm to burn in those days.

Whether you like it or not the efforts of the senior footballers are a beacon to the rest of the teams and success breeds success. We had it and we let it go. It's a crying shame. All we can do now is try to learn the lessons.

I agree incidentally on the point of developing under age teams but that doesn't happen in a vacuum.

Blackbogger (Carlow) - Posts: 166 - 05/05/2022 12:49:29    2415034

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New Jersey out. Finally. Big improvement on last one and nice to see that it's to be worn with red shorts again.

https://www.oneills.com/carlow-gaa-home-jersey-202223-red-amber-green-shadow.html

Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1328 - 05/05/2022 13:40:18    2415053

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Replying To Onion Breath:  "New Jersey out. Finally. Big improvement on last one and nice to see that it's to be worn with red shorts again.

https://www.oneills.com/carlow-gaa-home-jersey-202223-red-amber-green-shadow.html"
Have to disagree on New Jersey. Yes it's an improvement on last one as there was too much yellow but this one is horrible. Yellow sleeves with a red shorts??? What was wrong with the white shorts? We have too much colour as it is. Nicest jersey in recent years was the one we wore getting promotion. Simple with red, yellow & green strips, oh & white shorts....I guess they have to change it up every few years but Offaly dont usually move too far away from their traditional 3 stripes & think we shouldn't either

carlo (Carlow) - Posts: 142 - 05/05/2022 14:46:46    2415075

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I'm not a fan of the jersey itself, but I do like the full kit. The red shorts make up for the lack of it in the jersey.

TaosHum (Carlow) - Posts: 177 - 06/05/2022 07:59:47    2415158

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I remember we used to wear all red during the 70s with yellow collars and green cuffs etc or vice versa. We looked like Liverpool it was a great look and I'm no Liverpool fan. We wore green shorts for a while in early 90s but I've always liked the red shorts.anything but white which is not our colour so don't know why we wear them so often so glad to be back in red.

I remember Liam Hayes wanted us to go back to wearing all red during his time but the county board wouldn't agree which didn't surprise me given who was there at the time.

Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1328 - 06/05/2022 10:39:06    2415188

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Replying To Onion Breath:  "I remember we used to wear all red during the 70s with yellow collars and green cuffs etc or vice versa. We looked like Liverpool it was a great look and I'm no Liverpool fan. We wore green shorts for a while in early 90s but I've always liked the red shorts.anything but white which is not our colour so don't know why we wear them so often so glad to be back in red.

I remember Liam Hayes wanted us to go back to wearing all red during his time but the county board wouldn't agree which didn't surprise me given who was there at the time."
As far as I remember we have nearly always wore white shirts. You say we wore green shorts in the 90s but that must have been a one off. Your glad to be going back to red shorts as white not our colour but iv supported Carlow all my life & never remember them wearing red shorts. If it happened in the 70s was before my time so cant say. The men in 1944 certainly weren't wearing red shorts anyway so I'd say white shorts with the 3 hoops of red, yellow & green is our traditional colours

carlo (Carlow) - Posts: 142 - 08/05/2022 14:53:54    2415562

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Shorts are the least of our worries lads

Passer_By (Carlow) - Posts: 478 - 10/05/2022 20:38:53    2416387

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Replying To Passer_By:  "Shorts are the least of our worries lads"
Well that's obvious but any distraction will help...

carlo (Carlow) - Posts: 142 - 12/05/2022 17:00:19    2416747

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