Replying To peiledoir20:  "I'm not being precious and it was more than a few. But you seem to have an unhealthy obsession with a player not from your own county. Why is that?"

Replying To Cabbagepatch1667:  " It's Jim's way or no way, and the way he reacted to Tommy Rooney from Off The Ball asking him a question just about sums him up.

A incident on the pitch between 2 players is one thing, and maybe you're right about Clifford - same way Murphy should have walked in the league final too. But that's a separate issue.

But management and coaching staff should not be in the middle of a brawl, or pushing opposition players etc.. The ban to Ger Brennan was a precedent set by the GAA to prevent this sort of stuff. So when Jim McGuinness end up is in the middle of brawl pushing players about any screaming obscenities, don't be surprised if you're asked a question about whether you're worried you'll face a ban given what happened to Brennan.

Fair play to Tommy Rooney for asking it, if he had any bottle he'd have laid into Jim more. Why were you in the middle of a skirmish sort of thing?"

Replying To Commodore:  "Michael Murphy did deserve a red card in the League final, I haven't heard anyone in Donegal say otherwise.

David Clifford likewise did deserve a red card for intentionally elbowing Caolan McGonigle, if it hadn't been for Caolans granite jaw, the Buncrana man could have been seriously hurt. Now I won't be soccer fan booing David Clifford or shouting abuse at him at future matches, because I understand he gets a lot of abuse from opposition players and I can understand why he gets frustrated and lashes out.

Jim McGuinness doesn't deserve a ban, far too little in it, hell I didn't think Ger Brennan deserved a ban, especially not a 12 week ban, which was ridiculous."

Replying To WeGoAgain:  "He's in charge of his backroom surely?"

Replying To tirawleybaron:  "Clifford should have been sent off - it was the same as Corks O Callaghan - striking with the arm to the head.

McGuinness should be banned to.
Also, both team should have their sideline teams (and subs) made to sit in the stand for the rest of the season.
It was an absolute joke that 45 men should be on the pitch.


If you follow the rule book

Third Man Rule (Gaelic Football): Any third or subsequent player who joins a melee not for the purpose of removing a teammate is deemed to have incited the incident. They are issued a Black Card, meaning they are sent to the sin-bin for 10 minutes or sent off entirely if it is a subsequent card.

Watching the footage

1st Row -
Clifford started - yellow card
Brendan McCole tries to grab Clifford - black Card
Max Campbell grabs Clifford - black Card
McCole Donegal mouthing at ref - 50m free and black card
Mogan & Moore - pushing clifford - black cards
Roarty running in and mouthing - black card
Murphy Running the length of the pitch to get involved - black Card
Foley, O Shea and P Clifford - black cards
Evan Looney pushing Murphy - black card
Breen throwing a shoulder - back card
Mulreavey - pushing - black card
Langan - grabs Kerry no 2 - black card
Maor Uisce from Donegal pushes No 21 Kerry - red Card and 12 week suspension


2nd Row
Ryan Mc Hugh gets manhandled - no offence
O Breien - Kerry - grabing McHugh - yellow Card
Burns - kerry jumps in and throws a punch - red Card
Paudie Clifford and O Sullivan Kerry - black cards for joining in
Gallen - black Card for joining in
McGuiness pushes no 9 kerry - red card and 12 match suspension


Somehow Evan Looney got a yellow instead of a black

Match should have restarted with
McGuiness and Maor Uisce in a pub in Killarney

Kerry should have been left with
Shane Murphy;
Dylan Casey
Eddie Healy on for Morley
Keith Evans
David Clifford
Dylan Geaney

Donegal
no GK
Shane O Donnell on for McHugh
Gallagher
Hugh McFadden
Oisin Gallen
Conor O Donnell

So half should have started with 6 Kerry v 6 Donegal - and therefore called off - if they ref did his job.
There are a whole load of players who could face a sanction as the ref didn't deal with their incidents.

If the GAA deal with it properly, both teams will struggle to field a team the next day out."

Replying To sligo joe:  "My post was in reply to Ulsterrules who said he never heard any player being booed like Murphy was on Saturday. I just gave an example of John Small, booed for the rest of his career by Mayo fans."

Replying To Seniorleague:  "Oh stop being so precious about a few boos.

You should be thankful Murphy was even allowed play on Saturday."

Replying To tirawleybaron:  "Clifford should have been sent off - it was the same as Corks O Callaghan - striking with the arm to the head.

McGuinness should be banned to.
Also, both team should have their sideline teams (and subs) made to sit in the stand for the rest of the season.
It was an absolute joke that 45 men should be on the pitch.


If you follow the rule book

Third Man Rule (Gaelic Football): Any third or subsequent player who joins a melee not for the purpose of removing a teammate is deemed to have incited the incident. They are issued a Black Card, meaning they are sent to the sin-bin for 10 minutes or sent off entirely if it is a subsequent card.

Watching the footage

1st Row -
Clifford started - yellow card
Brendan McCole tries to grab Clifford - black Card
Max Campbell grabs Clifford - black Card
McCole Donegal mouthing at ref - 50m free and black card
Mogan & Moore - pushing clifford - black cards
Roarty running in and mouthing - black card
Murphy Running the length of the pitch to get involved - black Card
Foley, O Shea and P Clifford - black cards
Evan Looney pushing Murphy - black card
Breen throwing a shoulder - back card
Mulreavey - pushing - black card
Langan - grabs Kerry no 2 - black card
Maor Uisce from Donegal pushes No 21 Kerry - red Card and 12 week suspension


2nd Row
Ryan Mc Hugh gets manhandled - no offence
O Breien - Kerry - grabing McHugh - yellow Card
Burns - kerry jumps in and throws a punch - red Card
Paudie Clifford and O Sullivan Kerry - black cards for joining in
Gallen - black Card for joining in
McGuiness pushes no 9 kerry - red card and 12 match suspension


Somehow Evan Looney got a yellow instead of a black

Match should have restarted with
McGuiness and Maor Uisce in a pub in Killarney

Kerry should have been left with
Shane Murphy;
Dylan Casey
Eddie Healy on for Morley
Keith Evans
David Clifford
Dylan Geaney

Donegal
no GK
Shane O Donnell on for McHugh
Gallagher
Hugh McFadden
Oisin Gallen
Conor O Donnell

So half should have started with 6 Kerry v 6 Donegal - and therefore called off - if they ref did his job.
There are a whole load of players who could face a sanction as the ref didn't deal with their incidents.

If the GAA deal with it properly, both teams will struggle to field a team the next day out."

Replying To WeGoAgain:  "Did the brave Tommy have any tough questions for Jack about the behaviour of his players and coaching staff?"

Replying To TheFlaker:  "The problem is here there is no middle ground. 12 weeks is ridiculous and I do believe this will be looked at going forward. But also Donegal playing the victim card is also ridiculous. He pushed a player, and the wrong one. A one game ban or something would be suitable. Also I don't believe Clifford went out to catch Caolan Mc the way he did. And also the half time incident was sparked by Donegal reacting to a nothing shoulder from Clifford.


The victim complex is tiresome. I think McGuinness is an amazing coach and motivator but absolutely every word is calculated. I believe they knew he could be in trouble for this and that's why he was so petty with Tommy Rooney post match. Creating a narrative. That's all he is doing."