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Speaking of transfers, could be a big challenge for Burt at the weekend to overturn Setanta.
Would be nice to see Four Masters win the Junior and see hurling progress at that end of the county too.

donegalgael-12 (Donegal) - Posts: 11 - 28/08/2024 17:33:10    2567420

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Replying To Commodore:  "East Team would need to include more than the Finn Valley area of Lifford/Naomh Padraig, Castlefin/Robert Emmetts, Killygordon/Red Hughes, Ballybofey/MacCumhails and Glenfin?"
Would never happen
McCools and Glenfin have no reason to create a divisional team
They are fine on their own and wont want anyone else to join them.

eddieSize5Balls (Donegal) - Posts: 87 - 28/08/2024 23:19:30    2567455

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "I disagree completely.

We tell anyone who will listen about our unqiue parochial outlook, "pride in the parish" & "pride in our county" etc
I'm sure there have been thousands of junior & intermediate players over the years who could have excelled at senior club level, but didn't, because they chose to remain playing with the club they played all their lives with. What makes this case any different? In soccer players are free to transfer to whatever club/level they/others deem them good enough to play in. But this isn't typically the case in the GAA. Should Declan Browne have switched allegiance to Kerry back in the day?

Also, whether this transfer goes through or not will not sink Naomh Ultan. But what I would say is that the difference he could make to Naomh Ultan in the Junior Championship is probably a bit bigger than the difference he'd make to Kilcar in the senior at this moment in time."
I totally agree that players shouldn't be allowed to transfer just to play at a higher level but this case in fairness is a bit different with Michael being from Kilcar and managing Kilcar.From a logistical point of view it would have handy for the young fellow to travel with his father to matches and training.However I agree with the County Board decision as a dangerous precedent would have been set.

gunman (Donegal) - Posts: 1126 - 29/08/2024 11:49:54    2567511

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Replying To gunman:  "I totally agree that players shouldn't be allowed to transfer just to play at a higher level but this case in fairness is a bit different with Michael being from Kilcar and managing Kilcar.From a logistical point of view it would have handy for the young fellow to travel with his father to matches and training.However I agree with the County Board decision as a dangerous precedent would have been set."
Yeah in fairness there is a bit more to this one given the factors that you outlined.

But if there's one thing we do well in the GAA, and indeed in this country overall, it's to to take the **** out of rules, look for loopholes and ways to circumvent things.

If one transfer gets allowed then a precedent is set for others to examine and look to take advantage of.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9527 - 29/08/2024 14:26:57    2567557

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Replying To Commodore:  "I disagree with you both on this, although perhaps I am less sentimental and more practical in my thinking on this topic.

I can fully understand a scenario where one very talented player with a Junior club wants to play at higher level more consistently and applies to join a nearby Senior club, where he will have to work harder to get into that team and really challenges himself.

As for clubs remaining in existence, if one player transferring is enough to sink a club, then that club is probably on life support due to depleted numbers anyway, perhaps due to long-term population migration from certain rural areas etc."
Less sentimental and pragmatic, everyone sees themselves in a positive light I suppose.

Sentimentality is wanting to play for a club your forefathers played for.

Pragmatic is if 5 smaller clubs go out of existence their current fees €4500 X 5 = €22500 will have to be picked up by the remaining 35 clubs.

I didn't say that one player transferring would make a club go under. I said our structures need to be changed to allow all clubs to be competitive at a certain level. If that doesn't happen and if players have the option, they will move from their own club to the stronger clubs and numbers in the weaker clubs will dwindle which will deplete numbers in the small clubs and see clubs going out of existence.

Whateveryourhavingyourself (Donegal) - Posts: 59 - 29/08/2024 17:42:24    2567585

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "Yeah in fairness there is a bit more to this one given the factors that you outlined.

But if there's one thing we do well in the GAA, and indeed in this country overall, it's to to take the **** out of rules, look for loopholes and ways to circumvent things.

If one transfer gets allowed then a precedent is set for others to examine and look to take advantage of."
Oh don't worry, you can sure they are currently examining every possible loophole from Bavin in. They might even be getting a bit of help from our Northern brethren...

peiledoir20 (Donegal) - Posts: 1066 - 29/08/2024 21:26:25    2567594

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Rules regarding transfers cannot be made based on who anyone's son is. Ever.

ThroughTheGap (Donegal) - Posts: 55 - 29/08/2024 22:32:28    2567602

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Everyone saying this would have set a precedent makes me laugh, this has been happening for years and will continue to happen.
If the father wanted to push it, get an address with a bill to his name and go next season.
And people are completely missing the point as regards what I am saying, I am not standing up for bigger clubs or pushing for better junior players to all put in a transfer to a bigger club.
But the player himself wanted to go and I don't see how the club he is looking to leave will benefit from having a player that wanted to leave.
So do the decent thing and wish him luck.
And it's not all one way traffic, as much as posters on here would make out.
My club has 3+ transfers the other way, to Na Rossa.
What is they say sometimes common sense is not so common.

The keeper (Donegal) - Posts: 711 - 30/08/2024 20:53:40    2567727

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Replying To The keeper:  "Everyone saying this would have set a precedent makes me laugh, this has been happening for years and will continue to happen.
If the father wanted to push it, get an address with a bill to his name and go next season.
And people are completely missing the point as regards what I am saying, I am not standing up for bigger clubs or pushing for better junior players to all put in a transfer to a bigger club.
But the player himself wanted to go and I don't see how the club he is looking to leave will benefit from having a player that wanted to leave.
So do the decent thing and wish him luck.
And it's not all one way traffic, as much as posters on here would make out.
My club has 3+ transfers the other way, to Na Rossa.
What is they say sometimes common sense is not so common."
What age were the players who transferred to Na Rossa when then transferred?

Any of them say... under 30?? How many of them were starting for your senior team at that stage??

peiledoir20 (Donegal) - Posts: 1066 - 31/08/2024 11:33:36    2567782

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Replying To peiledoir20:  "What age were the players who transferred to Na Rossa when then transferred?

Any of them say... under 30?? How many of them were starting for your senior team at that stage??"
Does not matter what age they are, they all played first team for several years for Na Rossa and 1 if not 2 off them still are playing for there first team.
We also have lost plenty of young talented players to transfers, injuries and immigration over the history.
One player leaving should not make or break your club, no matter how small a club you are.
The reality is what if the player now decides to say I am done will the gaa, I will play soccer. I seen it happen to a minor before, he never played gaa again because his transfer did not go through.
It's done now and rejected, let's hope he does stay in gaa and the said club welcome him with open arms, and no bitterness is aimed towards the young player.
But as I said sometimes common sense is not so common.

The keeper (Donegal) - Posts: 711 - 01/09/2024 08:27:12    2567837

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Replying To The keeper:  "Does not matter what age they are, they all played first team for several years for Na Rossa and 1 if not 2 off them still are playing for there first team.
We also have lost plenty of young talented players to transfers, injuries and immigration over the history.
One player leaving should not make or break your club, no matter how small a club you are.
The reality is what if the player now decides to say I am done will the gaa, I will play soccer. I seen it happen to a minor before, he never played gaa again because his transfer did not go through.
It's done now and rejected, let's hope he does stay in gaa and the said club welcome him with open arms, and no bitterness is aimed towards the young player.
But as I said sometimes common sense is not so common."
Lad, I'd stop there if I were you.

You're comparing apples and oranges. Just leave it.

peiledoir20 (Donegal) - Posts: 1066 - 01/09/2024 21:02:58    2567909

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Just noticed online that the u16 division 2 county final went to penalties this evening. Whatever about adult games, it seems really tough on children, having to end a game like that. Some common sense needed, underage games should go to replays, plenty time in the calendar for that.

greenfan (Donegal) - Posts: 584 - 01/09/2024 22:25:05    2567926

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Replying To peiledoir20:  "Lad, I'd stop there if I were you.

You're comparing apples and oranges. Just leave it."
I am stopping hence wishing and hoping the player in question receives a warm welcome back.

You see I was more interested in the young players welfare, unlike you.

The keeper (Donegal) - Posts: 711 - 02/09/2024 11:55:33    2567989

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Has anyone seen the troll twitter account disputing some of the results in this years Senior club Championship, for anyone that has twitter look up @FairIsFair2Ø24 and enjoy his tweets!

dgcrusader (Donegal) - Posts: 46 - 02/09/2024 12:09:11    2567994

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Replying To The keeper:  "I am stopping hence wishing and hoping the player in question receives a warm welcome back.

You see I was more interested in the young players welfare, unlike you."
I am interested in the young players welfare, I just don't pontificate as much as you.

I am also interested in the health of all our GAA clubs - a healthy club scene will mean a healthy County team.

You'll hear a certain ex AI winner on the radio saying this regularly too.

He recent input would go against that view though.

peiledoir20 (Donegal) - Posts: 1066 - 02/09/2024 12:37:25    2568000

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Replying To greenfan:  "Just noticed online that the u16 division 2 county final went to penalties this evening. Whatever about adult games, it seems really tough on children, having to end a game like that. Some common sense needed, underage games should go to replays, plenty time in the calendar for that."
I'm against Penalties in general, there should be a buzzer at end of Extra time and next score wins it.

Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1212 - 02/09/2024 12:47:50    2568006

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "I disagree completely.

We tell anyone who will listen about our unqiue parochial outlook, "pride in the parish" & "pride in our county" etc
I'm sure there have been thousands of junior & intermediate players over the years who could have excelled at senior club level, but didn't, because they chose to remain playing with the club they played all their lives with. What makes this case any different? In soccer players are free to transfer to whatever club/level they/others deem them good enough to play in. But this isn't typically the case in the GAA. Should Declan Browne have switched allegiance to Kerry back in the day?

Also, whether this transfer goes through or not will not sink Naomh Ultan. But what I would say is that the difference he could make to Naomh Ultan in the Junior Championship is probably a bit bigger than the difference he'd make to Kilcar in the senior at this moment in time."
My point is why block them if a player wants to move to a nearby club who compete at a higher level?

The aul "Pride in the Parish" motto should then be replaced with the "Enslaved to the Parish" if that was the case, as the game has moved on and only a small percentage have the time for Elite level training, so it makes sense that players operating at the top tier would want to play and test themselves against other players of a similar calibre.

Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1212 - 02/09/2024 13:05:42    2568015

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Replying To Commodore:  "My point is why block them if a player wants to move to a nearby club who compete at a higher level?

The aul "Pride in the Parish" motto should then be replaced with the "Enslaved to the Parish" if that was the case, as the game has moved on and only a small percentage have the time for Elite level training, so it makes sense that players operating at the top tier would want to play and test themselves against other players of a similar calibre."
Ok, so if one is allowed to go what's to stop five or six of his mates deciding they want to play senior as well? And to hell with the old junior club and all the good people there working hard to keep the club going....

Your argument goes against the very ethos of the GAA.

I don't really have a problem with lads who transfer to clubs genuinely because of work or family relocation reasons.
But you seem to be suggesting that if a good player deems himself superior to the club he was brought up in, then that's reason enough for him to transfer to whatever club he wants. County football is there for these elite players from u15 up. If they're good enough they'll get all the elite football and training they want.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9527 - 02/09/2024 13:49:06    2568027

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Replying To Whateveryourhavingyourself:  "Less sentimental and pragmatic, everyone sees themselves in a positive light I suppose.

Sentimentality is wanting to play for a club your forefathers played for.

Pragmatic is if 5 smaller clubs go out of existence their current fees €4500 X 5 = €22500 will have to be picked up by the remaining 35 clubs.

I didn't say that one player transferring would make a club go under. I said our structures need to be changed to allow all clubs to be competitive at a certain level. If that doesn't happen and if players have the option, they will move from their own club to the stronger clubs and numbers in the weaker clubs will dwindle which will deplete numbers in the small clubs and see clubs going out of existence."
The GAA is run from the grass roots, so I am sure if 5 x smaller clubs were to go out of existence, the remaining clubs could kick up a storm about the fees and some accomodation could be made by the powers that be.

I'm not seeking to see parochial clubs go out of existence by the way, just that I believe that Elite players should be allowed freedom to move club if they wanting to play at a higher level. The vast majority of players will want to remain with their childhood parish team, but the small percentage that do want to make the jump can do so without facing great difficulty.

Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1212 - 02/09/2024 15:35:16    2568057

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "Ok, so if one is allowed to go what's to stop five or six of his mates deciding they want to play senior as well? And to hell with the old junior club and all the good people there working hard to keep the club going....

Your argument goes against the very ethos of the GAA.

I don't really have a problem with lads who transfer to clubs genuinely because of work or family relocation reasons.
But you seem to be suggesting that if a good player deems himself superior to the club he was brought up in, then that's reason enough for him to transfer to whatever club he wants. County football is there for these elite players from u15 up. If they're good enough they'll get all the elite football and training they want."
I don't agree that my argument goes against the very ethos of the GAA,

Look I'm not against parochial club system, It is very special if a player can go win a Senior Club title or All Ireland title with his home parish club. I do think players should be free to move if they want to move, they shouldn't be held against their will.

Like I know clubs where maybe 3 or 4 families dominate the running of the club, they dominate the committees and even the coaching roles and quite often alienate good intelligent capable people/players who in more unbiased circumstances would make a club stronger. As a result they lose connection with the club, become estranged and disillusioned, yet for players in that boat, they are basically trapped by the "ethos of the GAA" and that is what I don't like.

People should be free to move, The majority will not want to uproot and move, and if they do, questions need to be asked of the club they are leaving.

Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1212 - 02/09/2024 15:54:59    2568062

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