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It was 4 hours before he turned 18 years old.
Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1193 - 09/01/2024 08:02:41 2519161 Link 0 |
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going into a 5th year without an ulster title, im sure HQ are shaking in their boots ha ha
Whestofthewest (Clare) - Posts: 177 - 09/01/2024 08:28:28 2519163 Link 0 |
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Why is the manager being punished for something that's not his responsibility? I'd have thought it's up to the secretary or county board officials to make sure a player is eligible to play greenfan (Donegal) - Posts: 572 - 09/01/2024 08:31:38 2519164 Link 0 |
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Thats only a minor matter, what was the point of playing him in the game if there was not a vision of him being used in other games against full strength teams? Fact is that an underage, underdeveloped lad played a game against a senior team. Why was this done? If monaghan done that down here there would be uproar with regards to player welfare, We have a great lad coming through who easily could have played senior at 17 but thank god he didn't play last year and played a year at club and helped his club go senior and is now playing college football and is primed to play county senior. monaghanmad (Monaghan) - Posts: 397 - 09/01/2024 08:35:32 2519166 Link 0 |
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Its not a bad rule tbf.We can not expect you lads to play minor for their club,U20 for club and County,senior champioship for their club and train full time with a County set up and also have to study for exams. The rules are there to protect players.Donegal made a mistake unintentionally and are getting a bit of a slap on the wrists. No need for everyone to be over dramatic about it. heyday (Laois) - Posts: 35 - 09/01/2024 08:48:48 2519169 Link 3 |
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Except he's already not 17, he's 18. If he was born 4 days earlier - there would be no problem. And did you see him play or see his physique? Plenty of players are physically ready at 17,18. Paddy McBrearty and Michael Murphy both were. And I'm sure if a Monaghan lad was good enough you wouldn't object either. It was his last day of being 17, so yes technically it's a rule break. But don't assume he's not able to mix it with squad when you haven't seen him. That's not why he was banned. Al_Maguire (Donegal) - Posts: 257 - 09/01/2024 09:16:16 2519175 Link 0 |
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If he was 18 the day before the game he would still be approx 360 days too young. The 4 hours are immaterial
eoinog (Sligo) - Posts: 1943 - 09/01/2024 10:02:56 2519180 Link 0 |
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But he didn't play against a senior team, he played against the Armagh u20 side. Jim had said previously that the u20 players were training with the senior team for the moment but would be released back. I don't see any harm in giving those players a run out in the McKenna Cup against an Armagh u20 side.
Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1903 - 09/01/2024 10:17:52 2519187 Link 0 |
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He played in a senior intercounty competition. You can't start fudging rules because the opposition wasn't as strong, or he was only 4 days too young. In the same way as a player who's overage for an age group is too old even if it's only by a day. The rule is as clear cut as can be. Any county secretary should be aware of it. A mistake was made. The punishment does seem harsh, but it's not the end of the world. I'd say Jim will appeal and may get some reduction on his ban. WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2187 - 09/01/2024 10:27:22 2519188 Link 0 |
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But he didn't play against a senior team, he played against the Armagh u20 side. Jim had said previously that the u20 players were training with the senior team for the moment but would be released back. I don't see any harm in giving those players a run out in the McKenna Cup against an Armagh u20 side. Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1866 - 09/01/2024 10:17:52 You don't see any harm in breaking this rule. Any other rules that there is no harm in breaking? RHF (Cavan) - Posts: 877 - 09/01/2024 10:46:06 2519199 Link 0 |
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Buck stops at the manager. Why are people even debating this? Rules were broken end of, move on veterngaa (Monaghan) - Posts: 642 - 09/01/2024 11:12:44 2519207 Link 2 |
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I'd have to agree with this. One of two things happened here: lack of knowledge of the rules or lack of respect for the rules. Either way it doesn't look good for the admin of the county or the senior team management. The punishment does strike me as a bit harsh though. Think we just need to take our oil and get on with it all the same. At the end of the day the players are the ones who need to perform when they cross the white line regardless if the manager is on the line, in the stand or sat at home. The training pitch is where he has the biggest influence and that won't be affected. peiledoir20 (Donegal) - Posts: 1004 - 09/01/2024 11:44:41 2519210 Link 2 |
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The GAA needs a good wee controversey very year around this time to get things up and running. Last I heard young Roarty is alive and well. Would expect this punishment to be reduced on appeal as per the standard operating procedure when it comes to GAA rules and punishments. Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9511 - 09/01/2024 11:47:01 2519211 Link 0 |
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To be fair to the Ulster Council, once this matter was brought to their attention (by certain journalists etc) their hands were tied and they had no choice but to apply the GAA rules which are clear on this particular issue. Neither had they any choice as to the penalty imposed, that is also set in stone in the rule book. However, I'm sure they are also fully aware that Jim will in all likelihood be reinstated when referred to Central Council as this is clearly a case where, all things considered "hardship" will result from a strict application of the rules (an honest mistake in a preseason game resulting in a situation which would be massively detrimental to the panel of players who are adjusting to a new management system and in particular players who are just returning to the fold or are due to return after injury; the penalty resulting in an inordinate amount of time missed having huge ramifications on promotion chances and Championship placings etc etc etc). I predict Jim may miss, at the most, this weekend's McKenna match should they progress after Wednesday and will be given the all clear as soon as it's heard by central council. WeGoAgain (Donegal) - Posts: 51 - 09/01/2024 12:01:36 2519214 Link 0 |
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Debating the severity of punishment. Not the fact rules are broken
Al_Maguire (Donegal) - Posts: 257 - 09/01/2024 12:18:24 2519218 Link 1 |
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Rules are rules and there for player welfare. Donegal only have themselves to blame if it affects their placings in league etc if the ban is held. The ban should not be over turned If it was any other county the same rule would apply and the ban would stay. To be fair a simple rule like that counties should be well aware of rules like that. S1234 (Mayo) - Posts: 106 - 09/01/2024 12:24:57 2519219 Link 3 |
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Be interesting to see what managers think of the likes of McKenna Cup and FBD league in the coming years so. Nobody wants to play them as is. Look at the attitude Kieran McGeeney took (and the likes of McGuinness before) A two game ban at most is a sensible punishment 2 months is a joke. Players get less for assault. If he did it in League or championship fair enough. No one cares if they win this/competing in it - it's about gelling a squad. Al_Maguire (Donegal) - Posts: 257 - 09/01/2024 12:44:03 2519225 Link 0 |
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People can argue about the merits of the rule til the cows come home however I'm simply stating that any legal representative worth their salt would have no trouble arguing the "hardship" provision before central council who have absolute discretion to reinstate the suspended person. There are some other possible loophole scenarios in the rulebook but the aforementioned would be the way to go and I believe this is what will happen.
WeGoAgain (Donegal) - Posts: 51 - 09/01/2024 12:46:25 2519226 Link 0 |
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In GAA rules are broke all the time especially training during Covid and I didn't see many 8 week bans. Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2147 - 09/01/2024 12:53:06 2519228 Link 0 |
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If we can see through the fog here then a mistake was made, Jim is as cute as a fox so whatever has gone on it's hard to know from the outside, anyway the 8 weeks is ridiculous and will be reduced on appeal I'd be fairly sure, we had fellas from the same opposition clearly throwing punches caught on camera in O'Donnell Park in a league game getting no suspension or sanction at all for an upcoming Championship match. I have no doubt though that the GAA is wary of Jim coming back, he is box office and there's no doubt there's lesser men that think they have an opportunity here to put him in his place, won't work though and will only toughen the siege mentality in the camp. Maybe that was the point of playing him? Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 3002 - 09/01/2024 12:59:40 2519229 Link 0 |