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Rules are rules.
RHF (Cavan) - Posts: 877 - 05/01/2024 23:11:04 2518566 Link 0 |
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It'll be very interesting indeed. I'd imagine if the decision of the Ulster Council and subsequent appeals to the DRA etc go against him, that he'll have a good legal case. At 18 now he is an adult being prevented from participating.
SouthOfTheGap (Donegal) - Posts: 699 - 05/01/2024 23:28:03 2518567 Link 0 |
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Obviously your Rourty has huge potential if Jim has him involved and I wish him well in his career.However the demands on the inter county player are completely different now, even compared to 15 years ago. However I am not convinced it is a great idea on a personal level for a very young player. Is the lad doing his leaving certificate this year or in his first year in college? Would it not be better to let him play minor, under 21, club, college football for a year or two and improve his S&C and maybe even allow him do a small amount of study. He will certainly not be able to do all of them to a high level at the moment. letsgetgoing (Roscommon) - Posts: 625 - 06/01/2024 08:39:42 2518574 Link 1 |
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What sort of message are the GAA sending out if Finbarr Roarty isn't allowed play this year. Is he to go away and play soccer for the year? SouthOfTheGap (Donegal) - Posts: 699 - 06/01/2024 10:19:31 2518584 Link 0 |
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The rules were introduced to prevent player burnout. The player in question will have plenty football this year. County u20, club u18 and u21, schools football, club league and club championship. He'll probably have up to 40 games alongside a load of training sessions. There's always players who prefer soccer, but there's also plenty players who choose gaa, one example being Luke McGlynn who has international caps for soccer and was in the harps academy. 5 of last year's u20 team were in the Finn harps u15 national league squad a few years ago but chose to play gaa at u16 and stayed playing gaa.
greenfan (Donegal) - Posts: 572 - 06/01/2024 11:14:11 2518593 Link 1 |
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You're being a little bit dramatic and talking as if he's not allowed to play football at all. He can play intercounty U20 and club football from U18 all the way up to senior this year, like any other player his age. He'll likely also have colleges/schools football depending on where he is at. He's just not eligible for senior intercounty this year based on the current rule, which states players have to be 18 at the start of the year. If people don't agree with the rule they should have put forward a motion to have it changed. Not deciding after the fact that they don't like the rule so they'll ignore it. I'd agree with the Roscommon poster above, in that I think his development would better served playing underage and getting plenty senior club minutes. WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2187 - 06/01/2024 11:35:30 2518595 Link 0 |
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I accept your point, but there are other aspects to this debate. Amongst the reasons that many are playing soccer in the first place is because of lack of competition up to 14 years old in GAA. This was one of the major obstacles that those running the Academy had in recruiting the better players. They were getting competitive matches, and a pathway to playing at the highest level. You don't tell Evan Ferguson or Alejandro Garnacho that they are too young, another year playing with the juveniles will do you the world of good.
SouthOfTheGap (Donegal) - Posts: 699 - 06/01/2024 12:14:42 2518607 Link 0 |
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As a few posters said a while back rule's are rules. They have to be obeyed it's the same for every county. I'm very surprised that we let this happen be a lot worse if it happened late on in the year.. anyway any word of a team for tomorrow's game I can see Jim wanting to lay down a marker. See yous all in Omagh. rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 2555 - 06/01/2024 12:39:53 2518610 Link 0 |
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Playing inter-county under 20 and club championship games is not playing with juveniles. Ferguson and Garnacho are professional soccer players who are making millions. GAA players are amateurs who play for the love of the game, their families, clubs and their counties. Unfortunately as a person who has worked in education for many years I have been involved with many former (talented) students who spent way too much time in the playing fields and in the gym rather than a few extra hours in the library/ studying/ doing projects. As a result they failed their exams, ruined their summers studying for repeats and often dropped out of college. The consequence of this had serious implications for their earning potential for the rest of their lives. I accept that some top players do very well from their involvement in the Gaa and many employers are impressed with the Gaa players dedication, adaptability, able to take instruction, and teamwork etc It is about getting the balance right over the years for each individual as my previous post attempted to do. letsgetgoing (Roscommon) - Posts: 625 - 06/01/2024 13:16:47 2518614 Link 0 |
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Whatever about the other sides of the debate, I'm not so sure yet if the rules have actually been broken in this case. This may have been the rule in the last number of years, but with the change of grades this year, this rule may have been repealed. The law of unintended consequences may apply.
SouthOfTheGap (Donegal) - Posts: 699 - 06/01/2024 13:53:47 2518619 Link 0 |
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The rule was brought in , In 2016. Not a new thing. Let the lad concentrate on u20s, colleges and club.
FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2822 - 06/01/2024 15:08:30 2518635 Link 0 |
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It's a bit mad all right. Some people seem to think because he's only 5 or 6 days too young we should just let him play, bend the rules a wee bit. Seems crazy to play a player now who isn't eligible to play in the league or championship, what's the point?
greenfan (Donegal) - Posts: 572 - 06/01/2024 15:10:56 2518636 Link 0 |
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Sending out a very clear message that player welfare should come first, he will have plenty of football to play u 20 , club and probably uni
germac (Down) - Posts: 554 - 06/01/2024 15:10:57 2518637 Link 0 |
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They're sending out a good message, that player welfare is important and the rules in place to protect young players should be adhered to.
greenfan (Donegal) - Posts: 572 - 06/01/2024 17:48:11 2518670 Link 2 |
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What was the rule when Swanlinbar lost/won the Ulster Junior Final?
SouthOfTheGap (Donegal) - Posts: 699 - 06/01/2024 19:20:24 2518685 Link 0 |
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Caolan McGonagle at 6 only real surprise about that selection but doubt he plays there, otherwise looks like a team that would play in the league NPadraigAbu (Donegal) - Posts: 82 - 06/01/2024 19:37:36 2518691 Link 0 |
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Absolute madness he's 18 years old, old enough to drink, vote, buy a house or join the army and go to a warzone but not old enough to play senior intercounty football. There's no sense to it tirconaillabu (Donegal) - Posts: 83 - 06/01/2024 20:05:05 2518693 Link 5 |
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Absolutely, I think it's a shrewd move. He has both the size and pace to play Centre Back. He can hold the middle, push up to midfield to contest kickouts, drop back when required. I noticed on Wednesday night that Brendan McCole did something similar, pushed up and stayed on their Number 8 on kickouts.
SouthOfTheGap (Donegal) - Posts: 699 - 06/01/2024 20:57:08 2518709 Link 0 |
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Absolutely. And as I said in one of my original posts on the matter, if he was to challenge the legality of it through the Courts, he'd win.
SouthOfTheGap (Donegal) - Posts: 699 - 06/01/2024 20:59:39 2518710 Link 0 |
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He wouldn't. The gaa make the rules for their competitions and members agree to abide by those rules when they join. The rules say he's too young.
greenfan (Donegal) - Posts: 572 - 06/01/2024 23:22:59 2518730 Link 2 |