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Nice to be talking about football on this forum rather than bickering with each other. Jim has brought so much positivity already, got the fans and the whole county behind the team. I enjoyed the game last night, was really attacking and fast paced. Armagh were playing their u20 team so difficult to read anything into the display. However two things were really noticeable, our intensity tackling and how fast our attacking play was. Even our full forward line of Paddy McBrearty, Senan Carr and Aaron Doherty were giving it everything when Armagh were trying to build out from the back. Langan and McGee look like a great midfield partnership. Shane O'Donnell and Gallen were fantastic when they came on. Ryan McHugh put in a solid display, great to have him back. Ciaran Moore was very good and not surprised to see Finbar Roarty doing well, was very good at county minors level last year. I believe the rule of not being allowed to play senior football applies to u17, Finbar isn't u17 this year so can play senior. Nice to be looking forward to the season ahead and hopefully some good debate on the forum. Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1903 - 04/01/2024 17:35:30 2518375 Link
Replying To SignTheContract: "I thought what Armagh did last night showed terrible disrespect to the competition and to Donegal. Is Niall O'Donnell part of the panel?" These comps are challenge games, nothing more. TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8100 - 04/01/2024 17:48:45 2518378 Link
Replying To donegaldouble: "What rule is it? Genuinely interested" I don't think it applies if player is 18 within calendar year of competition as he is overrage for u17 in 2024.....but I'll stand corrected! totalrecall (Leitrim) - Posts: 991 - 04/01/2024 18:07:43 2518381 Link
Replying To Whestofthewest: "just heard from a friend in dublin that armagh sent the u20s as the seniors were playing the dubs (b team most likely) in a challenge game" I'd be fairly sure the decision was made to play the u20s in the McKenna Cup and the Dublin challenge game was irrespective of that. Kerry15 (Kerry) - Posts: 971 - 04/01/2024 18:50:10 2518384 Link
Replying To SignTheContract: "I thought what Armagh did last night showed terrible disrespect to the competition and to Donegal. Is Niall O'Donnell part of the panel?" Well I suppose Armagh were within the rules doing what they did and that's the way it is, probably not wanting to meet us before the league I'd say. Good run out anyway and plenty of shooting practice, just great to have Jim back, there's a smile on peoples faces again and hope for the future, Jim will have us well drilled and fit and tactically aware for whoever we face after that it's up to the lads to give it their best. Tyrone should be a decent test at the weekend, looking forward to that now. Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 3001 - 04/01/2024 19:08:01 2518387 Link
Replying To donegaldouble: "What rule is it? Genuinely interested" No rule was broken. He turned 17 last year so he wasn't eligible to play senior football last year. A player has to be 17 to play senior but can't play in the year they turn 17. greenfan (Donegal) - Posts: 572 - 04/01/2024 19:58:14 2518391 Link
Replying To Tirchonaill1: "Well I suppose Armagh were within the rules doing what they did and that's the way it is, probably not wanting to meet us before the league I'd say. Good run out anyway and plenty of shooting practice, just great to have Jim back, there's a smile on peoples faces again and hope for the future, Jim will have us well drilled and fit and tactically aware for whoever we face after that it's up to the lads to give it their best. Tyrone should be a decent test at the weekend, looking forward to that now." We played an Under 21 team ourselves in the mc kenna cup not so long ago. TheRock2121 (Donegal) - Posts: 1190 - 04/01/2024 20:27:15 2518395 Link
A couple of things: Our pressing was fantastic, and you could hear all the players encouraging each other to press. Unlike I've witnessed in previous years, there is no bitching or negative vibes being given off. Armagh were entitled to enter their U20s. We done similar not that many years ago. And in 2013 we played McKenna Cup game whilst the squad were on the team holiday in Dubai. I know last night wasn't a great test, but Shaun Patton appears to have improved his football skills. When he was on the ball in previous years he was really one dimensional, but he showed a range of movements last night that I didn't know he had, a drop of the shoulder hear and there, and a couple of sprints to offer an option to the ball carrier. All in all, an awful lot of positives so far. Finally, our Cavan visitor to our page must be from Swanlinbar, if he's objecting to players being too young. They won an Ulster Junior Final in that manner. SouthOfTheGap (Donegal) - Posts: 699 - 04/01/2024 21:34:47 2518407 Link
Replying To greenfan: "No rule was broken. He turned 17 last year so he wasn't eligible to play senior football last year. A player has to be 17 to play senior but can't play in the year they turn 17." No rule was broken. He turned 17 last year so he wasn't eligible to play senior football last year. A player has to be 17 to play senior but can't play in the year they turn 17. greenfan (Donegal) - Posts: 397 - 04/01/2024 19:58:14 That is where you are wrong for IC football see below. A player shall have celebrated his 18th birthday prior to January 1st of the Championship Year. RHF (Cavan) - Posts: 877 - 05/01/2024 09:10:46 2518438 Link
Replying To greenfan: "No rule was broken. He turned 17 last year so he wasn't eligible to play senior football last year. A player has to be 17 to play senior but can't play in the year they turn 17." No rule was broken. He turned 17 last year so he wasn't eligible to play senior football last year. A player has to be 17 to play senior but can't play in the year they turn 17. greenfan (Donegal) - Posts: 397 - 04/01/2024 19:58:14 That is where you are wrong for IC football see below. A player shall have celebrated his 18th birthday prior to January 1st of the Championship Year. RHF (Cavan) - Posts: 877 - 05/01/2024 11:15:05 2518457 Link
U18s are ineligible at senior inter county level. Leitrim got a wrap on the knuckles for playing an u18 in an FBD league game a few years ago. I presume Donegal will be sanctioned. Dan_Toal (Leitrim) - Posts: 244 - 05/01/2024 11:47:39 2518462 Link
Replying To RHF: "No rule was broken. He turned 17 last year so he wasn't eligible to play senior football last year. A player has to be 17 to play senior but can't play in the year they turn 17. greenfan (Donegal) - Posts: 397 - 04/01/2024 19:58:14 That is where you are wrong for IC football see below. A player shall have celebrated his 18th birthday prior to January 1st of the Championship Year." As it only mentions Championship year..... does it only apply to SFC ? Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1919 - 05/01/2024 12:04:52 2518463 Link
Replying To TheRock2121: "We played an Under 21 team ourselves in the mc kenna cup not so long ago." Yeah didn't field a U21 side in 2013 as the seniors went on holiday? Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1193 - 05/01/2024 12:07:18 2518464 Link
It happened with Cavan also,Caoimhin McGovern came on against Kildare in 2020. Very slack that countries aren't aware of the rules. They be brought in the rules a few years to prevent burnout FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2822 - 05/01/2024 12:10:53 2518466 Link
Replying To SouthOfTheGap: "A couple of things: Our pressing was fantastic, and you could hear all the players encouraging each other to press. Unlike I've witnessed in previous years, there is no bitching or negative vibes being given off. Armagh were entitled to enter their U20s. We done similar not that many years ago. And in 2013 we played McKenna Cup game whilst the squad were on the team holiday in Dubai. I know last night wasn't a great test, but Shaun Patton appears to have improved his football skills. When he was on the ball in previous years he was really one dimensional, but he showed a range of movements last night that I didn't know he had, a drop of the shoulder hear and there, and a couple of sprints to offer an option to the ball carrier. All in all, an awful lot of positives so far. Finally, our Cavan visitor to our page must be from Swanlinbar, if he's objecting to players being too young. They won an Ulster Junior Final in that manner." Yeah despite it being young Armagh side (Still a physical side though), it was still a useful warm-up game and a good opportunity to give players a run out. All of the new faces were impressive, as were most of the established players. Tactically I was impressed, not only with the high pressing, but the attacking patterns, could be very effective later in the year. We will certainly be less predictable this year I think. Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1193 - 05/01/2024 13:12:30 2518480 Link
Replying To TheFlaker: "I think there is only a top tier of 2, Dublin and Kerry. The rest would all fancy beating each other in a knockout game if it came to it during the summer. I would also have Derry in the same bracket as Mayo, Galway etc not above them. And would add Donegal to that list this year. Very little between any of them." I agree about Dublin and Kerry, Tyrone really should be in that bracket too with the amount of talent they have, but they just seem to have lost momentum since winning the 2021 All Ireland and a lot of players have dropped off the panel etc, they are patchy and inconsistent recently and have fallen below Derry and Armagh in the Ulster pecking order. Galway, Derry, Mayo are next, possibly with Armagh next, then Monaghan and Donegal. It's too early to know where Donegal will be this year, definitely positive signs since the return of Jim McGuinness in how they are performing, but we won't really know until we player Derry. Derry are back to back Ulster Champions and have All Ireland title ambitions, so that will be a true reflection of where we are, as they are a beast of a side. The National League Division 2 campaign will definitely provide early indications and winning promotion to Division 1 is the primary goal. I think we will see Donegal start to rise again from this season, just have to wait and see I suppose. Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1193 - 05/01/2024 13:31:13 2518485 Link
Replying To Seanfanbocht: " Replying To RHF: "No rule was broken. He turned 17 last year so he wasn't eligible to play senior football last year. A player has to be 17 to play senior but can't play in the year they turn 17. greenfan (Donegal) - Posts: 397 - 04/01/2024 19:58:14 That is where you are wrong for IC football see below. A player shall have celebrated his 18th birthday prior to January 1st of the Championship Year." As it only mentions Championship year..... does it only apply to SFC ?" I suspect the pre-season comps are treated slightly differently and the same rules don't apply because Donegal used 11 subs during the game ! greenfan (Donegal) - Posts: 572 - 05/01/2024 13:49:21 2518489 Link
My understanding is with the return of club minor championship to the U18 age grade, that from the 1st January, what they termed as "decoupling" was gone, meaning it reverted to the old rules where 17 year olds were allowed play Senior football. And it didn't have a distinction between club and county. SouthOfTheGap (Donegal) - Posts: 699 - 05/01/2024 14:32:34 2518495 Link
Replying To Seanfanbocht: " Replying To RHF: "No rule was broken. He turned 17 last year so he wasn't eligible to play senior football last year. A player has to be 17 to play senior but can't play in the year they turn 17. greenfan (Donegal) - Posts: 397 - 04/01/2024 19:58:14 That is where you are wrong for IC football see below. A player shall have celebrated his 18th birthday prior to January 1st of the Championship Year." As it only mentions Championship year..... does it only apply to SFC ?" Rule was changed at special Congress in November, motion 11 apparently. greenfan (Donegal) - Posts: 572 - 05/01/2024 16:11:12 2518510 Link
Seen on twitter that Ulster GAA are meant to be investigating Finbarr's eligibility. Don't see why he couldn't play senior football as he's overage for u17, unless he's meant to not play a year of football because he was born 6 days too late NPadraigAbu (Donegal) - Posts: 82 - 05/01/2024 21:52:54 2518559 Link