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Replying To greenfan: " Replying To gunman: "[quote=Commodore: "Dublin v Mayo: I was a bit surprised at Mayo's 2nd half collapse against Dublin, as in the first half they looked the better side for long periods. Makes me wonder if the 2nd half was Dublin brilliance or Mayo collapse.
Kerry v Tyrone: Expected a tighter game tbh, but Kerry winning isn't a shock, just expected a bit more fight from Tyrone.
Armagh v Monaghan: Notoriously tight matches between both teams for the past few seasons, this turned out as expected again......Monaghan will be a handful for the Dubs, I think Dublin would have preferred Derry or Kerry, as it might have been easier to get motivated for those .
Derry v Cork: I thought Derry made hard work of this game, they could have pulled away a few times, but Cork were dogged and kept the score tight." There was great similarities between the way Tyrone and Mayo collapsed in the second half.Both invested a lot of mental and physical energy in the big Derby games the week before and when the going got tough they had nothing left and were very flat.The displays were nowhere near their true ability and perhaps made Dublin and Kerry look a bit better than they are. Despite how well conditioned teams are they are still amateurs and the county season is far too condensed and very unfair and that is without talking about handing over the shop window to other Sports for a good part of the summer."
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Replying To gunman: " Replying To greenfan: "[quote=gunman: "[quote=Commodore: "Dublin v Mayo: I was a bit surprised at Mayo's 2nd half collapse against Dublin, as in the first half they looked the better side for long periods. Makes me wonder if the 2nd half was Dublin brilliance or Mayo collapse.
Kerry v Tyrone: Expected a tighter game tbh, but Kerry winning isn't a shock, just expected a bit more fight from Tyrone.
Armagh v Monaghan: Notoriously tight matches between both teams for the past few seasons, this turned out as expected again......Monaghan will be a handful for the Dubs, I think Dublin would have preferred Derry or Kerry, as it might have been easier to get motivated for those .
Derry v Cork: I thought Derry made hard work of this game, they could have pulled away a few times, but Cork were dogged and kept the score tight." There was great similarities between the way Tyrone and Mayo collapsed in the second half.Both invested a lot of mental and physical energy in the big Derby games the week before and when the going got tough they had nothing left and were very flat.The displays were nowhere near their true ability and perhaps made Dublin and Kerry look a bit better than they are. Despite how well conditioned teams are they are still amateurs and the county season is far too condensed and very unfair and that is without talking about handing over the shop window to other Sports for a good part of the summer."
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Replying To greenfan: "Big concern for me is that all the focus seems to be on the new managerial appointment. Nobody anywhere talking about the county board or academy issues. I really hope the people who caused the mess don't get get away with it and end up staying in place because we'll get left further behind if change doesn't happen soon. Let's be honest, we're in division 2 , and we're not a million miles away from the tailteann cup if we don't get our house in order soon." 100% agree. We could get Jim back with Malachy O'Rourke as no.2 coach and Karl and all the 2012 lads in amongst the squad and Michael Murphy back in at full forward for a swansong and it's moving deck chairs around on the Titanic if we don't sort out the governance issues in the county
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Replying To CCFabu: "100% agree. We could get Jim back with Malachy O'Rourke as no.2 coach and Karl and all the 2012 lads in amongst the squad and Michael Murphy back in at full forward for a swansong and it's moving deck chairs around on the Titanic if we don't sort out the governance issues in the county" 100 % on the money. We need a whole new direction and board. Clubs need to step up.
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Away from the county scene the club leagues will soon be wrapped up. I don't think we've learned a whole lof from the various leagues.
Division One: Naomh Chonaill and St Eunans have been the dominant two teams and will contest the league final. No real surprise there, and noone could argue that they're not the two favourites for the SFC. Gaoth Dobhair were ticking along nicely but their campaign was disrupted by a lot of key men heading away travelling. The should be back for Championship though. Kilcar have also had an iffy league but will obviously be stronger with McBrearty and McHugh back.
Aodh Ruadh had another decent league and they are a tough nut to crack. Veey awkward opponents for anyone in the Championship. Of the rest, they will probably be looking just to avoid relegation and build a small bit of momentum heading into the real business. Fair play to Downings, not a bad return to Div One football - a great example for smaller clubs around the county.
Division Two: As expected, Glenswilly have romped to promotion and haven't looked too taxed in doing so. They will be fancying an ambush at the Championship. After that there is a clutch of very evenly matched teams with Naomh Columba probably most likely to join Glenswilly in Division One. Looking at the table it promises to be be a very competitive Intermediate Championship again this year.
Division Three: A good season for Na Rossa. Interesting to see former county man Adrian Hanlon playing for them these days. With the Caulfields, Molloys and Bonners they'll fancy a good rattle at the Junior Championship although Carndonagh with a fully fit Conor O'Donnell will be there or thereabouts too. St Nauls will likely join Na Rossa in Div 2 next year.
Early predictions (and I realise there are no major surprises or insight here!)
Senior: Between Eunans and Glenties. Dark horse: Glenswilly
Intermediate: Lucky Dip! Downings Dark Horses: Take your pick from NC, Termon, Buncrana, Bundoran, Malin
Junior: Very surprised if it isn't one of Na Rossa or Carndonagh
If yez are interested I might do up a predictions competition for the Donegal senior, intermediate and junior champsionships like I did for the county competitions this year? Be a bit of craic.
Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9738 - 05/07/2023 10:48:14
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Replying To Lockjaw: "Away from the county scene the club leagues will soon be wrapped up. I don't think we've learned a whole lof from the various leagues.
Division One: Naomh Chonaill and St Eunans have been the dominant two teams and will contest the league final. No real surprise there, and noone could argue that they're not the two favourites for the SFC. Gaoth Dobhair were ticking along nicely but their campaign was disrupted by a lot of key men heading away travelling. The should be back for Championship though. Kilcar have also had an iffy league but will obviously be stronger with McBrearty and McHugh back.
Aodh Ruadh had another decent league and they are a tough nut to crack. Veey awkward opponents for anyone in the Championship. Of the rest, they will probably be looking just to avoid relegation and build a small bit of momentum heading into the real business. Fair play to Downings, not a bad return to Div One football - a great example for smaller clubs around the county.
Division Two: As expected, Glenswilly have romped to promotion and haven't looked too taxed in doing so. They will be fancying an ambush at the Championship. After that there is a clutch of very evenly matched teams with Naomh Columba probably most likely to join Glenswilly in Division One. Looking at the table it promises to be be a very competitive Intermediate Championship again this year.
Division Three: A good season for Na Rossa. Interesting to see former county man Adrian Hanlon playing for them these days. With the Caulfields, Molloys and Bonners they'll fancy a good rattle at the Junior Championship although Carndonagh with a fully fit Conor O'Donnell will be there or thereabouts too. St Nauls will likely join Na Rossa in Div 2 next year.
Early predictions (and I realise there are no major surprises or insight here!)
Senior: Between Eunans and Glenties. Dark horse: Glenswilly
Intermediate: Lucky Dip! Downings Dark Horses: Take your pick from NC, Termon, Buncrana, Bundoran, Malin
Junior: Very surprised if it isn't one of Na Rossa or Carndonagh
If yez are interested I might do up a predictions competition for the Donegal senior, intermediate and junior champsionships like I did for the county competitions this year? Be a bit of craic." The kingpins of donegal club football and glenties/Fintown are far and above anything in the county just now and have been the last few years. We will slog it out fir league and championship this year - b 4 big meetings ahead this year starting in the league this weekend.
Not sure how much effort either will focus on this weekend or the pending league final tho as it's all about winning the championship.
I'd defo b interested in your competition if you have the time to do it - fair play.
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Replying To ryan: "100 % on the money. We need a whole new direction and board. Clubs need to step up." You mean the same Clubs who elected the current County Executive and all previous County Executives?
The Clubs are 100% to blame for this mess, they put forward nominees for County board, they then elect the members and are ultimately responsible for the mess at County level. If you have an issue with any specific member of the executive, find out which club put them forward and which other club delegates got them voted in and you will likely see a large chunk of clubs behind each candidate.
If we are to really sort out the County Board management of the County, we need a system that prevents 2nd rate candidates getting continuously nominated by their club, simply because their family is one of the 2 or 3 families that dominates their local club.
Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1332 - 05/07/2023 13:57:43
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Replying To Commodore: "You mean the same Clubs who elected the current County Executive and all previous County Executives?
The Clubs are 100% to blame for this mess, they put forward nominees for County board, they then elect the members and are ultimately responsible for the mess at County level. If you have an issue with any specific member of the executive, find out which club put them forward and which other club delegates got them voted in and you will likely see a large chunk of clubs behind each candidate.
If we are to really sort out the County Board management of the County, we need a system that prevents 2nd rate candidates getting continuously nominated by their club, simply because their family is one of the 2 or 3 families that dominates their local club." Agree with you, that's it in a nutshell. The whole culture is wrong and needs to change drastically.
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Replying To ryan: "Agree with you, that's it in a nutshell. The whole culture is wrong and needs to change drastically." I wouldn't say it is a high priority of any club picking the delegates to the county board.It is just a matter of getting somebody to it and it is probably the same people each year that are prepared to do the job and without them you would have nobody.I don't know how much of a contribution many of them make or how much they are across the issues.There are a lot of people who claim to have a great interest in Donegal GAA but are not prepared to get in there and make a contribution.
gunman (Donegal) - Posts: 1144 - 05/07/2023 15:22:07
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Replying To greenfan: " Replying To gunman: "[quote=greenfan: "[quote=gunman: "[quote=Commodore: "Dublin v Mayo: I was a bit surprised at Mayo's 2nd half collapse against Dublin, as in the first half they looked the better side for long periods. Makes me wonder if the 2nd half was Dublin brilliance or Mayo collapse.
Kerry v Tyrone: Expected a tighter game tbh, but Kerry winning isn't a shock, just expected a bit more fight from Tyrone.
Armagh v Monaghan: Notoriously tight matches between both teams for the past few seasons, this turned out as expected again......Monaghan will be a handful for the Dubs, I think Dublin would have preferred Derry or Kerry, as it might have been easier to get motivated for those .
Derry v Cork: I thought Derry made hard work of this game, they could have pulled away a few times, but Cork were dogged and kept the score tight." There was great similarities between the way Tyrone and Mayo collapsed in the second half.Both invested a lot of mental and physical energy in the big Derby games the week before and when the going got tough they had nothing left and were very flat.The displays were nowhere near their true ability and perhaps made Dublin and Kerry look a bit better than they are. Despite how well conditioned teams are they are still amateurs and the county season is far too condensed and very unfair and that is without talking about handing over the shop window to other Sports for a good part of the summer."
gunman (Donegal) - Posts: 1144 - 05/07/2023 15:23:54
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Replying To Commodore: "You mean the same Clubs who elected the current County Executive and all previous County Executives?
The Clubs are 100% to blame for this mess, they put forward nominees for County board, they then elect the members and are ultimately responsible for the mess at County level. If you have an issue with any specific member of the executive, find out which club put them forward and which other club delegates got them voted in and you will likely see a large chunk of clubs behind each candidate.
If we are to really sort out the County Board management of the County, we need a system that prevents 2nd rate candidates getting continuously nominated by their club, simply because their family is one of the 2 or 3 families that dominates their local club." you make a good argument, but you need to take into the consideration the huge swathe of votes the county board have at convention which makes it hard to break the status quo. Nothing against Fergus McGee don't know the man, but the general consensus would appear that he was the safe bet and wasn't going to pull up any trees. Paul McGonigle would have been the man to take the thing in another direction but probably would have faced a lot of resistance from the old boys club . it would be difficult for anyone to make any meaningful changes without other new blood coming in at the same time.
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Yeah, no good one man coming in on his own, three or four at the same time are needed. As for Co Board delegates, I think there's a lot of delegates being selected because they put themselves forward so that they can go and have a look just. Busy people don't have time for it. There's also an issue according to a fella I spoke to about having minutes and a Enda's released in proper time.
Thing needs a shake up, but is their new blood willing to come in? A former county player was on Off The Ball a month ago and was going through the Co Board and saying they had to go. He was asked would he get involved and he snorted in derision! As in, I wouldn't do that *****!
SignTheContract (Donegal) - Posts: 197 - 05/07/2023 16:51:21
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Murphy has ruled himself out of the running for the Donegal job. With rumours that malachy o rourke could be heading to Tyrone if as likely that Dooher and Logan step down. There's not many vacant candidates out there. Reagan doesn't want it either. So if cavanagh rules himself out then probably the only option is an outside manager. I can't see anybody inside the county bar Mc Guinness will he shock us all and take the job. The problem in my eyes is certain members of the executive who have to go in my eyes. There's a closing date for applications but we need to head hunt certain managers in the hope that we'll get the right man. Donegal is an attractive job if the new man can entice all the players back. We need our best possible squad which if we had this year we could be looking at an all Ireland semi final because I believe outside Dublin and Kerry the rest of the teams are beatable the likes of Derry, Tyrone. Gal way and mayo have all slipped big time.
rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 2609 - 05/07/2023 17:41:46
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Replying To Lockjaw: "Away from the county scene the club leagues will soon be wrapped up. I don't think we've learned a whole lof from the various leagues.
Division One: Naomh Chonaill and St Eunans have been the dominant two teams and will contest the league final. No real surprise there, and noone could argue that they're not the two favourites for the SFC. Gaoth Dobhair were ticking along nicely but their campaign was disrupted by a lot of key men heading away travelling. The should be back for Championship though. Kilcar have also had an iffy league but will obviously be stronger with McBrearty and McHugh back.
Aodh Ruadh had another decent league and they are a tough nut to crack. Veey awkward opponents for anyone in the Championship. Of the rest, they will probably be looking just to avoid relegation and build a small bit of momentum heading into the real business. Fair play to Downings, not a bad return to Div One football - a great example for smaller clubs around the county.
Division Two: As expected, Glenswilly have romped to promotion and haven't looked too taxed in doing so. They will be fancying an ambush at the Championship. After that there is a clutch of very evenly matched teams with Naomh Columba probably most likely to join Glenswilly in Division One. Looking at the table it promises to be be a very competitive Intermediate Championship again this year.
Division Three: A good season for Na Rossa. Interesting to see former county man Adrian Hanlon playing for them these days. With the Caulfields, Molloys and Bonners they'll fancy a good rattle at the Junior Championship although Carndonagh with a fully fit Conor O'Donnell will be there or thereabouts too. St Nauls will likely join Na Rossa in Div 2 next year.
Early predictions (and I realise there are no major surprises or insight here!)
Senior: Between Eunans and Glenties. Dark horse: Glenswilly
Intermediate: Lucky Dip! Downings Dark Horses: Take your pick from NC, Termon, Buncrana, Bundoran, Malin
Junior: Very surprised if it isn't one of Na Rossa or Carndonagh
If yez are interested I might do up a predictions competition for the Donegal senior, intermediate and junior champsionships like I did for the county competitions this year? Be a bit of craic." Sounds good.
TheRock2121 (Donegal) - Posts: 1208 - 05/07/2023 22:04:36
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Replying To totalrecall: "you make a good argument, but you need to take into the consideration the huge swathe of votes the county board have at convention which makes it hard to break the status quo. Nothing against Fergus McGee don't know the man, but the general consensus would appear that he was the safe bet and wasn't going to pull up any trees. Paul McGonigle would have been the man to take the thing in another direction but probably would have faced a lot of resistance from the old boys club . it would be difficult for anyone to make any meaningful changes without other new blood coming in at the same time." I'm not looking to single out individual members of the County board/executive, I think the issues we face are more systemic, its more a system or structural issue rather than an individual person causing issues.
No fundraising since December 2020 shocked me, especially since the County budget was in the red.
If there was restructuring completed now and a strong development plan in place, I for one would be willing to donate €1000 or €2000 per year in addition to my normal support to the Donegal GAA to help us get back to the top. Imagine we had 500 or 1000 people willing to do that every year? Money to support coaching, teams etc and money to develop MacCumhaill park.
Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1332 - 06/07/2023 08:40:26
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Replying To Commodore: "I'm not looking to single out individual members of the County board/executive, I think the issues we face are more systemic, its more a system or structural issue rather than an individual person causing issues.
No fundraising since December 2020 shocked me, especially since the County budget was in the red.
If there was restructuring completed now and a strong development plan in place, I for one would be willing to donate €1000 or €2000 per year in addition to my normal support to the Donegal GAA to help us get back to the top. Imagine we had 500 or 1000 people willing to do that every year? Money to support coaching, teams etc and money to develop MacCumhaill park." Fair play to you. I would agree with you that root and branch reform is needed, and sure they have the results of the audit to give them a guideline as to what needs to be fixed. I believe the big Buncrana man more or less had advocated for this at the tail end of last year. But perhaps the timing just wasn't right. If we had the results of the audit, coinciding with his run for the chairman's job, we could have been 6 months ahead of where we're at now in terms of implementing the vital changes that are needed.
Donegal people are not stupid and times are tough with the cost of living. It was very obvious from early in 2023 that there were serious problems in Donegal GAA which lead to deteriorating performances from the senior team. Diminishing attendances and apathy were an inevitablity. I totally commend every Donegal player for doing their best in those circumstances. For a good while, it looked like we'd lose every game, but they rolled up their sleeves and restored some semblance of respectability. The defeat to Tyrone was tough, but it just illustrated to us where we are in the current pecking order if truth be told.
The new manager job, whilst obviously important, is only the tip of the iceberg in terms of what needs to be done. You'd wonder, what if anything is being done behind the scenes to get the audit recommendations implemented? Are the current executive to be trusted to get things moving? I'd have my doubts. Do the clubs need to demand an EGM to seek their removal? Who is waiting in the wings to step in? Can Karl Lacey be enticed back to his role as Academy Director? These are probably more important questions to be asking right now than who the next manager will be.
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Replying To Commodore: "I'm not looking to single out individual members of the County board/executive, I think the issues we face are more systemic, its more a system or structural issue rather than an individual person causing issues.
No fundraising since December 2020 shocked me, especially since the County budget was in the red.
If there was restructuring completed now and a strong development plan in place, I for one would be willing to donate €1000 or €2000 per year in addition to my normal support to the Donegal GAA to help us get back to the top. Imagine we had 500 or 1000 people willing to do that every year? Money to support coaching, teams etc and money to develop MacCumhaill park." I've said the same for years. Senior team needs a million on its own I'd imagine. You could get a chunk of that from London, Dublin, New York if things were organised. But then it needs people to stump up. Local business owners have been good in helping support management tickets in the past but we still need a Club Donegal type setup.
A fella I work with, mad about Donegal GAA, rarely flies to his club's matches. I've said the same to him. His response "you're joking, €1000??? No chance I'd do that". Yet he's the first then to give out and complain when things don't go right!
SignTheContract (Donegal) - Posts: 197 - 06/07/2023 10:51:50
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The new manager job, whilst obviously important, is only the tip of the iceberg in terms of what needs to be done. You'd wonder, what if anything is being done behind the scenes to get the audit recommendations implemented? Are the current executive to be trusted to get things moving? I'd have my doubts. Do the clubs need to demand an EGM to seek their removal? Who is waiting in the wings to step in? Can Karl Lacey be enticed back to his role as Academy Director? These are probably more important questions to be asking right now than who the next manager will be.
Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 8614 - 06/07/2023 10:35:49
I believe Croke Park are appointing someone externally to oversee these recommended changes, so yes the changes will definitely happen.
Whether Karl Lacey comes back will probably depend on his red flags, like if he is insisting he will only return if someone is removed from the County Board, that might be difficult to sell when the GAA Croke Park review didn't find the County board member to be at fault outside of poor communication and poor structures.
I agree the new Management team is a separate issue, I wouldn't be surprised if Jim McGuinness considers it for one season only if nothing is happening on the soccer front. But with Michael Murphy and Martin Regan out of the running, Rory Kavanagh unlikely to go for it again after his recent comments, I suspect it will either be an outside candidate or a Leo McLoone / Colm McFadden/ Eamon McGee U20 Ticket.
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Four Masters members would know best, but I wonder has Karl Lacey had much involvement in their underage structures & development these past few years? They have been cleaning up lately at underage.
It would make things all the more galling that his expertise isn't being availed of at county level.
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Replying To Lockjaw: "Four Masters members would know best, but I wonder has Karl Lacey had much involvement in their underage structures & development these past few years? They have been cleaning up lately at underage.
It would make things all the more galling that his expertise isn't being availed of at county level." No he hasn't
eunans4ever (Donegal) - Posts: 1693 - 07/07/2023 10:15:31
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