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Replying To Dodgy_Pass:  "Anyone able to confirm the Anthony Cunningham to Mullinalaghta rumours?"
No/ Just been confirmed Portarlington manager

B&G (Longford) - Posts: 276 - 12/12/2022 20:43:08    2450247

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The amalgamations were tried in the 90s as well, with the winners playing in the first round proper. I seem to remember a Clonguish/Killashee winning it one year with I think Cashel/Young Grattans I think it was winning another year. Other amalgamations during that time was Carrickedmond/Legan, Ballymahon/Forgney, St. Columbas/Ballymore, Cashel/Killashee and Clonguish/Shroid Slashers.

Spinx (Longford) - Posts: 1236 - 12/12/2022 21:02:13    2450249

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Replying To LongfordgaaAbú:  "Agreed. A Kerry club has won 18 of the last 21 Munster Junior Club Championships. Ask clubs in Munster what they think of that competition and it will prove enlightening. Worth pointing out that Kerry's 25th best team (Fossa) beat Cork's 53rd best team (Kilmurry) yesterday. In reality an Intermediate club beat a Junior club... by 11 points! If anyone thinks there is any sort of comparison between a top Junior club in Kerry and a top Junior club in Longford at the moment based on the relative structure of championship (among other things), they are truly talking to themselves."
Once more it would seem you are talking to yourself….
Someone does not understand what a strawman argument is either and in a great twist of irony is using one themselves. No one made a direct comparison between quality and format of junior here and in Kerry. It was said that junior clubs would "go to the wall" here if introduced. The example of Kerry clubs not only not "going to the wall" but thriving instead was given. It's all relative. It is working extremely well in Cork and Kerry. Cork is different and might actually be better, the divisional teams/university play off against each other first before entering senior proper. You also never answered whether you thought Cork, Kerry or Roscommon were a "tick the box exercise" like you claimed one in Longford would be.

liosbreac6265 (Longford) - Posts: 208 - 13/12/2022 10:32:37    2450269

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Replying To liosbreac6265:  "Once more it would seem you are talking to yourself….
Someone does not understand what a strawman argument is either and in a great twist of irony is using one themselves. No one made a direct comparison between quality and format of junior here and in Kerry. It was said that junior clubs would "go to the wall" here if introduced. The example of Kerry clubs not only not "going to the wall" but thriving instead was given. It's all relative. It is working extremely well in Cork and Kerry. Cork is different and might actually be better, the divisional teams/university play off against each other first before entering senior proper. You also never answered whether you thought Cork, Kerry or Roscommon were a "tick the box exercise" like you claimed one in Longford would be."
This is worth repeating "Its simple really. If a club at a level below senior is struggling to get numbers out at training and then they lose all their best players at a key part of the season when they want to concentrate on their main priority, whatever particular championship they are in, then I believe that the small numbers at training will result in teams going nights without training sessions which will eventually lead to disinterest within the club.

However the reality is that the clubs at intermediate and junior that have a realistic chance of winning those competitions will probably not contribute players to an amalgamation, as the players will want to focus on winning their own championship with their club and not want to be side-tracked."

Here is where Cork is at with with their divisional team:
https://www.echolive.ie/corksport/arid-41026406.html

Mull93 (Longford) - Posts: 119 - 13/12/2022 14:18:30    2450316

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Replying To Mull93:  "This is worth repeating "Its simple really. If a club at a level below senior is struggling to get numbers out at training and then they lose all their best players at a key part of the season when they want to concentrate on their main priority, whatever particular championship they are in, then I believe that the small numbers at training will result in teams going nights without training sessions which will eventually lead to disinterest within the club.

However the reality is that the clubs at intermediate and junior that have a realistic chance of winning those competitions will probably not contribute players to an amalgamation, as the players will want to focus on winning their own championship with their club and not want to be side-tracked."

Here is where Cork is at with with their divisional team:
https://www.echolive.ie/corksport/arid-41026406.html"
It's not worth repeating at all, it was foolish enough first time round. So? Some Cork areas struggling with numbers and interest? Happens everywhere, does not mean they'll be abandoning the system. Players who would otherwise never have a hope at senior would be chomping at the bit for this.
Who are these three clubs which "went to the wall" by the way? Shroid - who got their players cherry picked by Slashers and Killoe, Forgney - same with Ballymahon and who else? You are very much mistaken if you think either Ardagh or Moydow have "gone to the wall"

liosbreac6265 (Longford) - Posts: 208 - 13/12/2022 18:55:56    2450352

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I was driving out the road between Killashee and Lanesboro today and I noticed a sign wishing 3 or 4 girls good luck with Slashers. How many outsiders had Slashers playing for them this year?

Oddball (Roscommon) - Posts: 888 - 14/12/2022 20:33:33    2450442

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Replying To Oddball:  "I was driving out the road between Killashee and Lanesboro today and I noticed a sign wishing 3 or 4 girls good luck with Slashers. How many outsiders had Slashers playing for them this year?"
2 girls from Kilashee on the team.

honda15 (Longford) - Posts: 94 - 15/12/2022 09:39:56    2450456

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Replying To liosbreac6265:  "
Replying To Mull93:  "This is worth repeating "Its simple really. If a club at a level below senior is struggling to get numbers out at training and then they lose all their best players at a key part of the season when they want to concentrate on their main priority, whatever particular championship they are in, then I believe that the small numbers at training will result in teams going nights without training sessions which will eventually lead to disinterest within the club.

However the reality is that the clubs at intermediate and junior that have a realistic chance of winning those competitions will probably not contribute players to an amalgamation, as the players will want to focus on winning their own championship with their club and not want to be side-tracked."

Here is where Cork is at with with their divisional team:
https://www.echolive.ie/corksport/arid-41026406.html"
It's not worth repeating at all, it was foolish enough first time round. So? Some Cork areas struggling with numbers and interest? Happens everywhere, does not mean they'll be abandoning the system. Players who would otherwise never have a hope at senior would be chomping at the bit for this.
Who are these three clubs which "went to the wall" by the way? Shroid - who got their players cherry picked by Slashers and Killoe, Forgney - same with Ballymahon and who else? You are very much mistaken if you think either Ardagh or Moydow have "gone to the wall""
Ardagh Moydow, a great example of an amalgamation going well and giving lads a chance to play a high standard of football.

Mull93 (Longford) - Posts: 119 - 15/12/2022 09:57:37    2450460

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Anyone hear how county training is going, or new or old faces back?

liosbreac6265 (Longford) - Posts: 208 - 15/12/2022 12:22:14    2450477

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Replying To ballymore1967:  "I am strongly against this added amalgamation competition. The last thing players and managers want is more games added into an already packed season. With a possible 12 league games and maybe 8/9 championship games under the current structure, lads don't want to be playing any extra games. We've only just gotten to a stage where the fixture mess looks sorted. Why would we add in another competition when the county board can hardly put together a competent fixture plan as it is?"
I'm not sure what to make of amalgamating junior clubs in the senior. I tend to agree that it'll end up being extra matches when there has been a push to get the fixtures and playing window sorted.
Longford is too small for divisional teams. I think the club and the parish are the cornerstone of the GAA. Having said that I could see how in a number of years if the likes of Abbeylara and Mullinalaghta are low in numbers, they could gel well given they have that tradition of playing together as Northern Gaels. They've done it at u21.
And there's no doubt that Northern Gaels minor club has brought both senior clubs on in a big way.
This benefitted the county team. Maybe other clubs like Southern Gaels could benefit their adult clubs too and could work at senior level. But I wouldn't like to see a club give up their individual identity either.

Rhyne_Stonecowboy (Longford) - Posts: 52 - 15/12/2022 13:33:05    2450486

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Replying To liosbreac6265:  "Anyone hear how county training is going, or new or old faces back?"
Daniel Mimnagh is back in and I hear he's moving well. He'll be a big addition.
Not sure about lads from other clubs that are back in.

Rhyne_Stonecowboy (Longford) - Posts: 52 - 15/12/2022 13:36:51    2450488

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Replying To honda15:  "2 girls from Kilashee on the team."
How many from other clubs? The other 2 girls must be from Cashel or Rathcline.

Oddball (Roscommon) - Posts: 888 - 15/12/2022 15:38:13    2450502

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Replying To Oddball:  "How many from other clubs? The other 2 girls must be from Cashel or Rathcline."
Not every parish has a ladies club (none in Newtowncashel or Legan or Killashee, and Slashers has only had a senior ladies club since 2012). So it's been very common in Longford for a ladies senior club to have players from outside the clubs own catchment area. Not that long ago there was only a handful of ladies senior clubs in the county.

LongfordgaaAbú (Longford) - Posts: 465 - 15/12/2022 19:08:57    2450513

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Replying To LongfordgaaAbú:  "Not every parish has a ladies club (none in Newtowncashel or Legan or Killashee, and Slashers has only had a senior ladies club since 2012). So it's been very common in Longford for a ladies senior club to have players from outside the clubs own catchment area. Not that long ago there was only a handful of ladies senior clubs in the county."
How many ladies clubs are there? I don't know much about ladies football but were there only 4 clubs at one stage (Killoe, Clonguish, Ballymore and Rathcline)?

Mull93 (Longford) - Posts: 119 - 16/12/2022 10:17:13    2450533

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Replying To LongfordgaaAbú:  "Not every parish has a ladies club (none in Newtowncashel or Legan or Killashee, and Slashers has only had a senior ladies club since 2012). So it's been very common in Longford for a ladies senior club to have players from outside the clubs own catchment area. Not that long ago there was only a handful of ladies senior clubs in the county."
The ladies game has grown massively in the last 10 to 15 years all over the country. It's great to see. Slashers really worked hard on their underage and brought through that current team from what I gather. Being honest, it probably hasn't been great for Killoe who benefitted from a few girls from Longford on the strong team that won so much in the recent past. A couple of the girls on that team had brothers on the Slashers mens team. Wasn't there a bit of controversy over a few of those girls not being allowed to play with their native parish when Slashers set up? No club in Ballinalee either which meant a few from there lined out for Killoe too.
I've heard that a lot of Mullinalaghta ladies team are from Abbeylara. And years back girls from that area would have played with Ballymore and the 'GranAbbey' team before that.

Rhyne_Stonecowboy (Longford) - Posts: 52 - 16/12/2022 11:01:15    2450537

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Replying To Mull93:  "How many ladies clubs are there? I don't know much about ladies football but were there only 4 clubs at one stage (Killoe, Clonguish, Ballymore and Rathcline)?"
The top 4 senior clubs make the semifinals so there are 6-8 teams at this grade, I presume. There is also intermediate & junior championships.

I believe there are 4 Killashee girls on the Slashers team. No one from Cashel or Rathcline. Killashee had a ladies team a couple of years ago which folded.

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 16/12/2022 11:13:32    2450539

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Replying To keeper7:  "The top 4 senior clubs make the semifinals so there are 6-8 teams at this grade, I presume. There is also intermediate & junior championships.

I believe there are 4 Killashee girls on the Slashers team. No one from Cashel or Rathcline. Killashee had a ladies team a couple of years ago which folded."
Do Killashee have a ladies team? I thought they set one up a few years ago.

Its great to see the game growing so fast in Longford. I might be mistaken but they don't seem to have a website. That is something that they could look into creating, with fixtures, results etc.

Mull93 (Longford) - Posts: 119 - 16/12/2022 12:32:59    2450549

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Replying To Mull93:  "How many ladies clubs are there? I don't know much about ladies football but were there only 4 clubs at one stage (Killoe, Clonguish, Ballymore and Rathcline)?"
According to the Stats site there are 15 ladies clubs in the county.

LongfordgaaAbú (Longford) - Posts: 465 - 16/12/2022 13:49:35    2450557

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Replying To keeper7:  "The top 4 senior clubs make the semifinals so there are 6-8 teams at this grade, I presume. There is also intermediate & junior championships.

I believe there are 4 Killashee girls on the Slashers team. No one from Cashel or Rathcline. Killashee had a ladies team a couple of years ago which folded."
Looking at Longford Ladies FB page, the 2022 ladies championship structure was

7 clubs in Senior (Mostrim, Ballymore, Carrickedmond, Clonguish, Slashers, Colmcille & Killoe). Two groups (4 + 3) of 3 rounds each, then knockout. Slashers won it this year (4th in a row).

5 clubs in Intermediate (St. Brigids Gaels, Ballymahon Forgney, Grattans, St. Helens & Dromard). One group with 4 rounds, then knockout. Grattans won it this year.

6 clubs in Junior (Clonguish2, Carrickedmond2, Colmcille2, Dromard2, Rathcline & Mullinalaghta). One group with 5 rounds, then knockout. Mullinalaghta won it this year.

Sean Connollys seem to compete in underage only.

LongfordgaaAbú (Longford) - Posts: 465 - 16/12/2022 14:52:12    2450561

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As far as I know the ladies teams are:
St. Helens
Slashers
Grattans
Ardagh
Mullinalaghta
Clonguish
Killoe
Colmcille
Mostrim
Rathcline
Dromard
Ballymore
Carrickedmond
Ballymahon/Forgney

Spinx (Longford) - Posts: 1236 - 16/12/2022 15:02:29    2450563

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