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Replying To catchturnscore:  "
Replying To LongfordgaaAbú:  "Senior Championship 2022

Group 1
St Marys Granard
Mostrim
Mullinalaghta St Columba's
Longford Slashers
St Brigids Killashee
Dromard

Group 2
Clonguish
Rathcline
Colmcille
Carrickedmond
Abbeylara
Killoe Young Emmets

(Each team plays every other team in their group)

Intermediate Championship 2022

Kenagh v Sean Connollys
Cashel v Legan Sarsfields
Ballymahon v Ardagh Moydow
Fr Manning Gaels bye

Junior Championship 2022

Group 1
St Mary's Granard
Ardagh Moydow
Rathcline
Mullinalaghta St Columba's

Group 2
Dromard
Carrickedmond
Abbeylara
Fr Manning Gaels"
Have Killoe no junior team this year?"
Sorry - I typed the Junior Championship draw all wrong, let me correct...

Group 1
Ballymore
Young Grattans
Clonguish
Colmcille
Killoe Young Emmets
Longford Slashers

Group 2A
Ardagh Moydow
Mullinalaghta St Columba's
St Mary's Granard
Rathcline

Group 2B
Abbeylara
Carrickedmond
Dromard
Fr Manning Gaels

Top 3 teams from Group 1 proceed to Junior A Championship semi-finals along with the winner of the game between top of Group 2A vs top of Group 2B.

LongfordgaaAbú (Longford) - Posts: 586 - 25/05/2022 14:01:05    2420167

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Just one more dreadful performance in a long line off dreadful performances from this Longford team. Dont think u could say anyone played well except kealin mcgann who was very lively he was very impressive

slasher9 (Longford) - Posts: 252 - 28/05/2022 19:43:43    2420677

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How are we feeling looking back at his season? The only positive is we somehow maintained our Div 3 status. I'd like to see a new man in again next year. The county board made an error appointing Billy. That wasn't Billys fault and buy all account he seems a nice man.

LslashersFanatic (Longford) - Posts: 22 - 29/05/2022 13:47:53    2420747

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Replying To slasher9:  "Just one more dreadful performance in a long line off dreadful performances from this Longford team. Dont think u could say anyone played well except kealin mcgann who was very lively he was very impressive"
Yes, very poor. However, I think the fullback line & midfield did well. We are very poor in terms of attacking ideas & finishing.

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 29/05/2022 15:12:42    2420757

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Replying To LslashersFanatic:  "How are we feeling looking back at his season? The only positive is we somehow maintained our Div 3 status. I'd like to see a new man in again next year. The county board made an error appointing Billy. That wasn't Billys fault and buy all account he seems a nice man."
It ended up another year like so many others, didnt get relegated no progress and early championship exit. I think management team deserves at least two years unless it was a total farce. Billys results havent been much worse then the last few managers

slasher9 (Longford) - Posts: 252 - 29/05/2022 15:18:19    2420759

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So the management gets a pass for another poor set up. Game there to be won and they set up so poorly. Was in Carrick at the Leitrim game beforehand and it's day and night the difference between both sides. Fair enough Leitrim are playing in division 4 but there at our level and try to play a game to win. Even off the field they are miles ahead.
Another car draw I see too lol

williesboy (Leitrim) - Posts: 450 - 01/06/2022 11:51:11    2421539

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Replying To williesboy:  "So the management gets a pass for another poor set up. Game there to be won and they set up so poorly. Was in Carrick at the Leitrim game beforehand and it's day and night the difference between both sides. Fair enough Leitrim are playing in division 4 but there at our level and try to play a game to win. Even off the field they are miles ahead.
Another car draw I see too lol"
Ur busy getting around to all games in Longford and Leitrim. Whats so funny about the car draw?

slasher9 (Longford) - Posts: 252 - 02/06/2022 14:50:08    2421800

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Replying To slasher9:  "Ur busy getting around to all games in Longford and Leitrim. Whats so funny about the car draw?"
Used to be that a big draw would be a once in a blue moon event to bolster finances. This is the second car draw in 12 months. In a cost of living crisis, with match ticket prices very high, having a regular big €50/ticket draw puts a pressure on people that is a bit unfair. I know some will say you don't have to buy them, but it is hard for some people to refuse when tickets are pushed in front of them by fellow GAA people they know well and expectation is there for clubs or individuals. Seems a bit odd to have another big draw within 12 months. Its this and the race day now a yearly thing? No published convention report for 2021, so not sure what the finances look like. Anyone any idea?

LongfordgaaAbú (Longford) - Posts: 586 - 04/06/2022 11:25:24    2422084

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Replying To williesboy:  "So the management gets a pass for another poor set up. Game there to be won and they set up so poorly. Was in Carrick at the Leitrim game beforehand and it's day and night the difference between both sides. Fair enough Leitrim are playing in division 4 but there at our level and try to play a game to win. Even off the field they are miles ahead.
Another car draw I see too lol"
I don't think management are getting a pass (lots of criticism on here, some fair, some not), but having avoided relegation when it looked a dead cert, there is enough there for Billy to have a second year to work at. What gain would there be for Longford to get rid of him now? We were the second last county to secure a manager last year, and just in the nick of time before start of competition. Managers are not lining up around the block to take the job. If he doesn't perform next season that will be that, but in meantime if he wants to try something different so be it, it's not as if the old management techniques were working fierce well for us. We would shoot ourselves in the foot by knee-jerking at this point. (lots of anatomical references there I know, but shur i'm a dab hand at it).

LongfordgaaAbú (Longford) - Posts: 586 - 04/06/2022 12:07:31    2422098

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Replying To LongfordgaaAbú:  "Used to be that a big draw would be a once in a blue moon event to bolster finances. This is the second car draw in 12 months. In a cost of living crisis, with match ticket prices very high, having a regular big €50/ticket draw puts a pressure on people that is a bit unfair. I know some will say you don't have to buy them, but it is hard for some people to refuse when tickets are pushed in front of them by fellow GAA people they know well and expectation is there for clubs or individuals. Seems a bit odd to have another big draw within 12 months. Its this and the race day now a yearly thing? No published convention report for 2021, so not sure what the finances look like. Anyone any idea?"
Once a year isnt regular and im sure they arent running it for the crack. The cost of running teams is going higher and higher and money is needed. Players want professional set ups and development squads and this is the price to be paid. Noone is being forced to buy but its typical of so many so called longford supporters are happy to say they are supporters until it comes to volunteering or giving a few bob!!!

slasher9 (Longford) - Posts: 252 - 04/06/2022 17:23:05    2422145

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Going from once a decade or so to an annual occurrence - yeah i'd call that more regular! Many genuine Longford fans are forking out big money to attend county games, paying no small amount to go to club championship games with their family too and plenty of them are volunteering lots of their own free time in support of the local game in a range of ways. In a cost of living crisis, it is something when you are judged to be a 'so called' supporters if you might not be able to afford to see another €50 ticket waved in front of your by county or club officials in a way that makes it near impossible to refuse, or if you dare to question it. Professional setups and development squads should be funded by a combination of existing revenues, sponsorship monies and the mega development funds from GAA. Instead the onus is pushed back to the same locals who had to kick the county board into bringing back OAP and student pricing at club games when they went digital. But hey, if everyone doesn't pony up every time or dares to have a different view on the quantity of big ticket draws, they run the risk of being labelled 'so called' supporters. Its wild.

LongfordgaaAbú (Longford) - Posts: 586 - 05/06/2022 19:51:08    2422562

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Replying To LongfordgaaAbú:  "Going from once a decade or so to an annual occurrence - yeah i'd call that more regular! Many genuine Longford fans are forking out big money to attend county games, paying no small amount to go to club championship games with their family too and plenty of them are volunteering lots of their own free time in support of the local game in a range of ways. In a cost of living crisis, it is something when you are judged to be a 'so called' supporters if you might not be able to afford to see another €50 ticket waved in front of your by county or club officials in a way that makes it near impossible to refuse, or if you dare to question it. Professional setups and development squads should be funded by a combination of existing revenues, sponsorship monies and the mega development funds from GAA. Instead the onus is pushed back to the same locals who had to kick the county board into bringing back OAP and student pricing at club games when they went digital. But hey, if everyone doesn't pony up every time or dares to have a different view on the quantity of big ticket draws, they run the risk of being labelled 'so called' supporters. Its wild."
Cavan also running another draw Kerry aswel, what do you do when existing money isnt there, go to the magic money tree? Its obviously been done because its needed. I have never seen anyone wave a ticket in anyones face so I dont know where your getting that especially when one particular club refused to even sell the last ones to begin with!!!

slasher9 (Longford) - Posts: 252 - 06/06/2022 12:02:41    2422730

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Proper club back this weekend. It will be interesting to see who the form teams are. Championship starting at the end of July

liosbreac6265 (Longford) - Posts: 255 - 07/06/2022 10:17:17    2422868

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Replying To liosbreac6265:  "Proper club back this weekend. It will be interesting to see who the form teams are. Championship starting at the end of July"
Mullinalagtha and Killoe will be favourites. Colmcille in recent years seem to have something about them but can't get over the line.I can't see Mostrim repeating last year's run to the final. Clonguish have the talent but can they transfer that to the pitch ? Slashers are losing a couple to America I believe so rule them out. Granard will be hard to beat but I can't see a championship for them. Abbeylara are hot and cold. But as i said at the start if I was a betting man Mullinalagtha

Ward30 (Longford) - Posts: 49 - 07/06/2022 11:57:09    2422942

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Replying To Ward30:  "Mullinalagtha and Killoe will be favourites. Colmcille in recent years seem to have something about them but can't get over the line.I can't see Mostrim repeating last year's run to the final. Clonguish have the talent but can they transfer that to the pitch ? Slashers are losing a couple to America I believe so rule them out. Granard will be hard to beat but I can't see a championship for them. Abbeylara are hot and cold. But as i said at the start if I was a betting man Mullinalagtha"
and Killoe just to add.

Ward30 (Longford) - Posts: 49 - 07/06/2022 15:33:23    2423099

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Just noticed the fixtures are posted for remaining 5 league rounds. Last round of ACFL Division 1 is on 2/3 July. Is there any chance the Co Board will run the semi finals and final of the Leader cup on the 10th and 17th of July and just finish all league action while the weather is good and before the Championship starts?

If you take a weekend break after Leader Cup final, and start the Championship on weekend of 30/31 July, you need 10 weekends max to get it all done, including a weekend off between end of group games and quarters, and a weekend off between semi final and final. That brings you to 2nd October for the county final (or 9th if they want an extra weekend break in there somewhere). All of that can easily be done without letting the Leader cup spill into the cold and dreary winter months. The county players spent the past 6 weeks watching the first 5 rounds of the league from the stand while playing just 2 county games in that period. Time to push on at pace now and get the Leader Cup done before the Championship this year. Both players and supporters will thank them for it, and I can't see any logical reason why it couldn't be done.

LongfordgaaAbú (Longford) - Posts: 586 - 09/06/2022 13:19:16    2423580

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Replying To LongfordgaaAbú:  "Just noticed the fixtures are posted for remaining 5 league rounds. Last round of ACFL Division 1 is on 2/3 July. Is there any chance the Co Board will run the semi finals and final of the Leader cup on the 10th and 17th of July and just finish all league action while the weather is good and before the Championship starts?

If you take a weekend break after Leader Cup final, and start the Championship on weekend of 30/31 July, you need 10 weekends max to get it all done, including a weekend off between end of group games and quarters, and a weekend off between semi final and final. That brings you to 2nd October for the county final (or 9th if they want an extra weekend break in there somewhere). All of that can easily be done without letting the Leader cup spill into the cold and dreary winter months. The county players spent the past 6 weeks watching the first 5 rounds of the league from the stand while playing just 2 county games in that period. Time to push on at pace now and get the Leader Cup done before the Championship this year. Both players and supporters will thank them for it, and I can't see any logical reason why it couldn't be done."
Those last 5 league games won't be competed before the 2/3 July mark my words. Already hearing of teams not able to field this weekend which is disgrace really.

williesboy (Leitrim) - Posts: 450 - 09/06/2022 14:27:49    2423604

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Replying To LongfordgaaAbú:  "I don't think management are getting a pass (lots of criticism on here, some fair, some not), but having avoided relegation when it looked a dead cert, there is enough there for Billy to have a second year to work at. What gain would there be for Longford to get rid of him now? We were the second last county to secure a manager last year, and just in the nick of time before start of competition. Managers are not lining up around the block to take the job. If he doesn't perform next season that will be that, but in meantime if he wants to try something different so be it, it's not as if the old management techniques were working fierce well for us. We would shoot ourselves in the foot by knee-jerking at this point. (lots of anatomical references there I know, but shur i'm a dab hand at it)."
The set-up shouldn't get a pass. If you talk the talk in an interview then you got to walk the walk when the games start. The only way this team went this year was backwards. It was the worst championship campaign that I can remember, 2 games and 2 losses, when did that happen before?

Did we do as well in the league as we should have? No, it was the worst Division 3 in years with a team who were in Division 4 the previous year and a team who were in Division 4 two years previous getting promoted. The manager talked about promotion at the start and revised it at the end to say it was great to stay up in Division 3. Great for who?

Did we get the best out the players available? No, I saw no signs of progression in any of the players with maybe the exception of James Moran and Iarla O'Sullivan. Everyone else was the same level "at best".

Did we see a defined style of play? No. What we saw was some great individual performances at times but never a coherent team performance. Maybe the manager isn't to blame here, maybe he needs a more capable coach. In most modern intercounty set-ups the manager manages and the coach or coaches coach. Maybe that is where we fell down.

Did the championship go well? No, a complete disaster. Really disappointing against Westmeath and then a really deflating Tailteann Cup experience.

Mull93 (Longford) - Posts: 119 - 09/06/2022 15:05:08    2423616

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Replying To Mull93:  "The set-up shouldn't get a pass. If you talk the talk in an interview then you got to walk the walk when the games start. The only way this team went this year was backwards. It was the worst championship campaign that I can remember, 2 games and 2 losses, when did that happen before?

Did we do as well in the league as we should have? No, it was the worst Division 3 in years with a team who were in Division 4 the previous year and a team who were in Division 4 two years previous getting promoted. The manager talked about promotion at the start and revised it at the end to say it was great to stay up in Division 3. Great for who?

Did we get the best out the players available? No, I saw no signs of progression in any of the players with maybe the exception of James Moran and Iarla O'Sullivan. Everyone else was the same level "at best".

Did we see a defined style of play? No. What we saw was some great individual performances at times but never a coherent team performance. Maybe the manager isn't to blame here, maybe he needs a more capable coach. In most modern intercounty set-ups the manager manages and the coach or coaches coach. Maybe that is where we fell down.

Did the championship go well? No, a complete disaster. Really disappointing against Westmeath and then a really deflating Tailteann Cup experience."
I assume when you say 'worst division 3 in years' you mean worst since 2017 under Connerton when we also finished 6th in Division 3 in a weak division where the winner was promoted from Division 4 the previous year (Louth)?

Is it really the worst championship campaign you can remember? In 2018 we beat a very poor Meath team in Leinster, then got hammered by Dublin by 19 points (a day many of us can't forget), and were dumped out of the Qualifiers by Kildare. In 2008 we were beaten by Westmeath in Leinster and dumped out of the qualifiers by Louth. In 2005 we got beaten by Dublin in Leinster again by 19 points, and dumped out of the qualifiers by Sligo. In 2003 we lost in Leinster to Kildare and were dumped out of the qualifiers by Donegal. The fragrance from those seasons doesn't exactly live long in the nostrils either and I won't go back to the 1990's for fear it might trigger PTSD among readers (remember the hammering by Offaly in 1997 by 19 points).

This year was poor for sure, but I don't think it is an outlier or the worst in recent memory. That said, criticisms of the management and setup are entirely right and proper because in no way did we perform anywhere close to what was planned or expected. They will have all their work ahead of them next year.

LongfordgaaAbú (Longford) - Posts: 586 - 09/06/2022 17:49:27    2423676

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Replying To LongfordgaaAbú:  "I assume when you say 'worst division 3 in years' you mean worst since 2017 under Connerton when we also finished 6th in Division 3 in a weak division where the winner was promoted from Division 4 the previous year (Louth)?

Is it really the worst championship campaign you can remember? In 2018 we beat a very poor Meath team in Leinster, then got hammered by Dublin by 19 points (a day many of us can't forget), and were dumped out of the Qualifiers by Kildare. In 2008 we were beaten by Westmeath in Leinster and dumped out of the qualifiers by Louth. In 2005 we got beaten by Dublin in Leinster again by 19 points, and dumped out of the qualifiers by Sligo. In 2003 we lost in Leinster to Kildare and were dumped out of the qualifiers by Donegal. The fragrance from those seasons doesn't exactly live long in the nostrils either and I won't go back to the 1990's for fear it might trigger PTSD among readers (remember the hammering by Offaly in 1997 by 19 points).

This year was poor for sure, but I don't think it is an outlier or the worst in recent memory. That said, criticisms of the management and setup are entirely right and proper because in no way did we perform anywhere close to what was planned or expected. They will have all their work ahead of them next year."
The win against Meath in 2018 was a big win and it was a championship win. During that period, and still now, everyone got well beaten by Dublin. That wasn't the managers fault, it was the All-Ireland champions not a Division 3 team playing at your own level.

In 2017 there were stronger teams in the league. It was a poor campaign but in comparison to this one it was a better year.

I think what we all want to see next year above anything else is progress. While there is no justification for keeping the same management team, if its the case we do then we need a new coach and S & C. It made a big difference during Connertons time.

Mull93 (Longford) - Posts: 119 - 11/06/2022 10:28:43    2423873

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