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Replying To liosbreac6265:  "Sounds like Westmeath are playing off their entire league without county players. I would not like that here. The league is due to be finished before the start of championship this year"
Do we know that to be the case or is that an assumption?

LongfordgaaAbú (Longford) - Posts: 260 - 09/05/2022 12:30:36    2415900

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Replying To LongfordgaaAbú:  "Do we know that to be the case or is that an assumption?"
It's an assumption that Westmeath are playing off their league without county players given what you have stated and how unlikely it is that county players have been released to take part in any of the matches. County board informed clubs here that league rounds would be finished before championship starts. Leader cup semi finals may be after championship but the teams will be known unless they go back on this

liosbreac6265 (Longford) - Posts: 77 - 09/05/2022 15:58:51    2416028

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Replying To liosbreac6265:  "It's an assumption that Westmeath are playing off their league without county players given what you have stated and how unlikely it is that county players have been released to take part in any of the matches. County board informed clubs here that league rounds would be finished before championship starts. Leader cup semi finals may be after championship but the teams will be known unless they go back on this"
The last of the 'No county player' five rounds concludes on weekend of 27th May which is same weekend the Tailteann Cup starts. So if Longford exits at round 1, the remaining 5 rounds of the league with county players could be done by around 10th July (assume a week break in there somewhere). If Longford exits at QF stage that becomes 17th July. If Longford gets to SF stage that becomes 31st July. So no reason the rounds can't be done by end of July for sure unless we get to the final of the Tailteann Cup (which seems unlikely). Championship then kicks in from August, and you are probably looking at no Leader Cup action until November in the rain and cold, and that takes the good out of the league for me because any momentum is gone. Should finish Leader Cup immediately after last round is done, and then start Championship.

LongfordgaaAbú (Longford) - Posts: 260 - 09/05/2022 18:39:31    2416057

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Replying To liosbreac6265:  "It's an assumption that Westmeath are playing off their league without county players given what you have stated and how unlikely it is that county players have been released to take part in any of the matches. County board informed clubs here that league rounds would be finished before championship starts. Leader cup semi finals may be after championship but the teams will be known unless they go back on this"
Two rounds of the league left to be played in Westmeath, the county players did not play in the league, not even the fringe players who do not get a game with the county. Its a big problem for clubs players not playing with club and not playing with county. This is giving the league standings a false picture of club strenth in the county. it also means clubs are not interested in the league.

Kuga (Westmeath) - Posts: 46 - 09/05/2022 19:57:42    2416069

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Replying To Kuga:  "Two rounds of the league left to be played in Westmeath, the county players did not play in the league, not even the fringe players who do not get a game with the county. Its a big problem for clubs players not playing with club and not playing with county. This is giving the league standings a false picture of club strenth in the county. it also means clubs are not interested in the league."
This contradicts what a friend of mine from Garycastle said. It came up a few weeks ago in general conversation as I was ranting about Longford football so I had to go back to him to clarify.

He said that fringe players were allowed play with their clubs. Any players not in 26 or who needed game time coming back from injury were allowed play with club. There were even players who were in 26 and even came on as a sub but for very few minutes and they were allowed play with club at times. He gave me the example of Jimmy Dolan from his own club who was named in 26 against Longford in championship but didn't get on. He played for Garycastle in the league the day after.

I looked up the Garrycastle notes and I can see that he did play.

https://www.garrycastle.gaa.ie/news

Mull93 (Longford) - Posts: 94 - 10/05/2022 13:19:32    2416234

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This whole separation of all county players from club senior league action is going to need a re-think with Tailteann Cup having a round-robin format from next year. Hard to see at what point prior to July those players could be released back to clubs to play anything once that proper structure of Tailteann kicks in. The club game doesn't have sufficient squad depth in places like Longford to be doing without key guys for that long. It is already leaving the league in a position where you would need an asterisk beside some years wins.

LongfordgaaAbú (Longford) - Posts: 260 - 10/05/2022 14:45:01    2416273

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Replying To Mull93:  "This contradicts what a friend of mine from Garycastle said. It came up a few weeks ago in general conversation as I was ranting about Longford football so I had to go back to him to clarify.

He said that fringe players were allowed play with their clubs. Any players not in 26 or who needed game time coming back from injury were allowed play with club. There were even players who were in 26 and even came on as a sub but for very few minutes and they were allowed play with club at times. He gave me the example of Jimmy Dolan from his own club who was named in 26 against Longford in championship but didn't get on. He played for Garycastle in the league the day after.

I looked up the Garrycastle notes and I can see that he did play.

https://www.garrycastle.gaa.ie/news"
J Dolan has not played with Westmeath this year so far.

Kuga (Westmeath) - Posts: 46 - 10/05/2022 19:17:29    2416375

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Replying To Mull93:  "This contradicts what a friend of mine from Garycastle said. It came up a few weeks ago in general conversation as I was ranting about Longford football so I had to go back to him to clarify.

He said that fringe players were allowed play with their clubs. Any players not in 26 or who needed game time coming back from injury were allowed play with club. There were even players who were in 26 and even came on as a sub but for very few minutes and they were allowed play with club at times. He gave me the example of Jimmy Dolan from his own club who was named in 26 against Longford in championship but didn't get on. He played for Garycastle in the league the day after.

I looked up the Garrycastle notes and I can see that he did play.

https://www.garrycastle.gaa.ie/news"
St Loman's Mullingar played the first 6 rounds of the league without six senior county players ,two 20's and a couple of injuries. They have two rounds left and will be relegated bar two victories. The had two lads on the extended county panel out of the six that didn't play but didn't play with the club either . Compare that with the Downs who top the table and all their county lads played the last round

Thechick (Westmeath) - Posts: 169 - 11/05/2022 12:12:13    2416467

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Replying To Kuga:  "J Dolan has not played with Westmeath this year so far."
Not to pry into our neighbours business but... is the mandated absence of all county players from the entire league season in Westmeath the reason why we see Lomans for example down in relegation territory in Division 1? If so, it is more evidence of how this 'no county player' rule is making a mockery out of premier club competitions and leaving some clubs exposed and vulnerable. Tailteann Cup round-robin structure from 2023 would make that worse for longer.

LongfordgaaAbú (Longford) - Posts: 260 - 11/05/2022 12:25:16    2416471

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Not fair to have the whole league without county players. Longford have done a decent balance this year I would of preferred the whole league with county players but to do that needs less teams in division 1 to give enough time with both league and championship after talteann cup

slasher9 (Longford) - Posts: 179 - 11/05/2022 16:05:35    2416548

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Replying To slasher9:  "Not fair to have the whole league without county players. Longford have done a decent balance this year I would of preferred the whole league with county players but to do that needs less teams in division 1 to give enough time with both league and championship after talteann cup"
How will Longfords 5+5 approach work when Tailteann Cup moves to a round-robin in 2023? The ACFL next year needs to allow for 7 Allianz League games from end of Jan to start of April, followed by 1-2 Leinster Championship game(s) in April/May, followed by 3-4 Tailteann Cup group games during May/June. So county players won't be able to play ACFL club games until start of July, and maybe longer if we got out of the group stages in the Tailteann Cup. How does a credible ACFL Division 1 happen if all the county guys are excluded until July at the earliest?

LongfordgaaAbú (Longford) - Posts: 260 - 12/05/2022 13:31:40    2416683

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Replying To LongfordgaaAbú:  "How will Longfords 5+5 approach work when Tailteann Cup moves to a round-robin in 2023? The ACFL next year needs to allow for 7 Allianz League games from end of Jan to start of April, followed by 1-2 Leinster Championship game(s) in April/May, followed by 3-4 Tailteann Cup group games during May/June. So county players won't be able to play ACFL club games until start of July, and maybe longer if we got out of the group stages in the Tailteann Cup. How does a credible ACFL Division 1 happen if all the county guys are excluded until July at the earliest?"
The way it is going and has been going the last couple of years is that leagues aren't that big of a deal anymore. Yes it's great to win them but it's primarily function is to blood players you wouldn't necessarily have used if you had a full hand to use. Not sure if it's right or not

williesboy (Leitrim) - Posts: 226 - 12/05/2022 14:06:36    2416688

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Replying To LongfordgaaAbú:  "How will Longfords 5+5 approach work when Tailteann Cup moves to a round-robin in 2023? The ACFL next year needs to allow for 7 Allianz League games from end of Jan to start of April, followed by 1-2 Leinster Championship game(s) in April/May, followed by 3-4 Tailteann Cup group games during May/June. So county players won't be able to play ACFL club games until start of July, and maybe longer if we got out of the group stages in the Tailteann Cup. How does a credible ACFL Division 1 happen if all the county guys are excluded until July at the earliest?"
U could do the same format again or go single round with all county players 5 games and have a seperate Bertie Allen beforehand again. With the times tight before leinster club starts there may end up having to be a couple of league games in winter. So be it. It's impossible to get it right. With their being two groups of 5 or 6, these games should have meaning for leader cup and relegation. One way to get it right though is reduce number of teams in division one and senior championship. Three teams should be dropping this year to allow for one coming up

slasher9 (Longford) - Posts: 179 - 12/05/2022 15:05:59    2416712

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Replying To williesboy:  "The way it is going and has been going the last couple of years is that leagues aren't that big of a deal anymore. Yes it's great to win them but it's primarily function is to blood players you wouldn't necessarily have used if you had a full hand to use. Not sure if it's right or not"
I dunno - Lots of clubs still want to put out their best 15 in league or try out variations of their best 15 and many still put a great deal of stock in winning the Leader Cup which has a rich history. I would be disheartened to see the league become a non-county-players competition. I struggle to see how it won't become that from next year onward tho.

LongfordgaaAbú (Longford) - Posts: 260 - 12/05/2022 15:23:09    2416716

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I read somewhere that this format is in place for the next two years. Each season the bottom team in Group 1 and 2 are relegated with only one team coming up. Next year one group will only have 5 teams. After the 2 year period Division 1 will be reduced from 12 to 10 teams. If I had a choice I'd reduce it to 8, 8 in Division 2 and 5 in Division 3 with 3 senior clubs junior teams making up the 8.

Spinx (Longford) - Posts: 1040 - 12/05/2022 19:24:07    2416778

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It's not fair on clubs who have a lot of players on the county panel. My own club had 6 players in it for the Westmeath match while our county champions only had two. Clubs can't afford to be without these players. The lads who come in to replace them for the league do their best but are obviously not near the same standard.

Rhyne_Stonecowboy (Longford) - Posts: 48 - 13/05/2022 07:05:28    2416785

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Not too long ago the Bertie Allen cup was thought of as being right up there with the Leader cup. In many ways it gave a better view of the most consistent team over a full year rather than the play off matches of the Leader cup tagged on at the end of the year near christmas. Calendar needs sorting from the top to allow a proper window for clubs to get their best men out.

Rhyne_Stonecowboy (Longford) - Posts: 48 - 13/05/2022 07:13:26    2416786

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Replying To Rhyne_Stonecowboy:  "Not too long ago the Bertie Allen cup was thought of as being right up there with the Leader cup. In many ways it gave a better view of the most consistent team over a full year rather than the play off matches of the Leader cup tagged on at the end of the year near christmas. Calendar needs sorting from the top to allow a proper window for clubs to get their best men out."
Wasn't the Bertie Allen cup for ACFL Division 1 winners, and was swapped out for the Skelly cup in the early 2000's? I don't see the point of having both... it should be like the National League where the top two teams at the end of the season play the league final for the Leader Cup and that is that. None of this top 4 nonsense and all done before Championship starts. But this is Longford so we have to make it unnecessarily complicated.

Be interesting to see how CB runs the league next year alongside a much longer Tailteann Cup. I guess we will have to wait and see, but odds are that we will end up next year where Westmeath are with their league today.

LongfordgaaAbú (Longford) - Posts: 260 - 13/05/2022 12:36:59    2416856

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Replying To LongfordgaaAbú:  "Wasn't the Bertie Allen cup for ACFL Division 1 winners, and was swapped out for the Skelly cup in the early 2000's? I don't see the point of having both... it should be like the National League where the top two teams at the end of the season play the league final for the Leader Cup and that is that. None of this top 4 nonsense and all done before Championship starts. But this is Longford so we have to make it unnecessarily complicated.

Be interesting to see how CB runs the league next year alongside a much longer Tailteann Cup. I guess we will have to wait and see, but odds are that we will end up next year where Westmeath are with their league today."
Yes that is the case with those cups. It's nice to honour the team that top the table in my opinion. Perhaps even make that the Leader cup ? It happened that way in years gone by. At the very most it should be a straight out final between the top 2. But having a top 4 or top 6 playing off is ridiculous with fixtures piling up.

Rhyne_Stonecowboy (Longford) - Posts: 48 - 13/05/2022 15:53:39    2416899

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Replying To LongfordgaaAbú:  "Wasn't the Bertie Allen cup for ACFL Division 1 winners, and was swapped out for the Skelly cup in the early 2000's? I don't see the point of having both... it should be like the National League where the top two teams at the end of the season play the league final for the Leader Cup and that is that. None of this top 4 nonsense and all done before Championship starts. But this is Longford so we have to make it unnecessarily complicated.

Be interesting to see how CB runs the league next year alongside a much longer Tailteann Cup. I guess we will have to wait and see, but odds are that we will end up next year where Westmeath are with their league today."
Think the Bertie Allen was a competition early in the year without county players. Basically to avoid the current situation of teams playing league games without county players.

GAALONGFORD (Longford) - Posts: 11 - 13/05/2022 16:53:45    2416909

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