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Replying To maximus02:  "A replay would be very unfair on Mullinalaghta, as they technically won the game and i'm sure they would accept the draw as a result over a replay as they risk being knocked out completely."
Agree.
They play colmcile instead granard so. It's mess though.

Gaaforlife2023 (Longford) - Posts: 539 - 03/09/2024 14:43:29    2568234

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Replying To Frank74:  "I may be a long way off on what I suggest, but couldn't the standings be left as they are?
Then have Dromard play off against Carrickedmond for the last Q/F spot.
Everybody gets another shot at it."
Can that happen?
Left as giving mul they win and them top the group or

Gaaforlife2023 (Longford) - Posts: 539 - 03/09/2024 14:44:11    2568235

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Replying To Clonbonnyrabbitt:  "The ref's report will be final and I think the initial decision will put Carrickedmond through and then the Dromard appeal can come from that point. This championship now looks like it will be delayed and what a mess and embarrassment that is for everyone involved. It still doesn't affect that Killoe are going to win the championship as shown by the odds coming in to 11/10. They'll be much shorter than that once they win their qtr final also."
Depending kiloe play.
On form they should but never know if on fom probably but drop off a bit they can be caught

Gaaforlife2023 (Longford) - Posts: 539 - 03/09/2024 14:46:36    2568238

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Replying To TurnipAyter:  "Different situation in Kildare if you mean the Nurney-Straffan match.

That match was winner-on-the-day (classification rather than knockout but nevertheless there had to be a result). Straffan were given the extra point, except that in this case the scoreboard was changed in the middle of the second half rather than at the very beginning, so the error was immediately obvious even to casual observers. Straffan "won" on the day with the benefit of the non-existent point, but if the score had been correctly recorded, then it would have been level at the end of normal time and the game would have gone to extra time. As a result, Nurney (who were the injured party in that case, just as Mullinalaghta are the injured party in this one) were deprived of the opportunity to complete the original tie so they objected and a replay was justified and granted."
Mullinalaghta may accept it either way they are affected in terms of placing but dromaed or Carrickedmond the ones who miss out

Gaaforlife2023 (Longford) - Posts: 539 - 03/09/2024 14:48:04    2568239

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Replying To maximus02:  "Dromard are not allowed to appeal I don't think as they were not directly involved in match."
Well then we will probably find ourselves in a situation where carrick go through under in controversial circumstances and dromard are left as the unlucky ones.

Clonbonnyrabbitt (Longford) - Posts: 40 - 03/09/2024 15:00:47    2568248

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Am I correct in saying that both teams that drew go through?

eoinog (Sligo) - Posts: 1978 - 03/09/2024 15:03:34    2568251

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This is a quite bizarre but entertaining scenario, for everyone apart from the Carrickedmond and Dromard Clubs. One team will be bitterly disappointed by the outcome. However, from looking at the tables and the standings at the end, head to heads, it looks like it's actually Clonguish Club that are the team extremely lucky to be advancing through. They have gone through on score difference between the teams and not overall points obtained from the teams on the level points. Something for the Longford County board to correct in the rule section.

Aside from that, the ruling for a "phantom point" scenario is that the only team that can object is Mullinalaghta. And the only other source that can change this outcome is the referee. Both Dromard and Carrickedmond have no say in the matter. Referee admits fault and Dromard go through. Referee doesn't admit fault, Mullinalaghta appeal and get the points, Dromard go through. Referee doesn't change and Mullinalaghta don't appeal, Dromard are out. Carrickedmond advance. Best of luck to all. Entertaining to follow.

WmeathWarrior (Westmeath) - Posts: 65 - 03/09/2024 15:56:20    2568263

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Replying To Gaaforlife2023:  "Can that happen?
Left as giving mul they win and them top the group or"
Although a sensible solution, i don't think this could be done. There is no official basis to do this and could set a precedent for any future issues.

maximus02 (Longford) - Posts: 211 - 03/09/2024 16:34:55    2568270

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Replying To maximus02:  "Although a sensible solution, i don't think this could be done. There is no official basis to do this and could set a precedent for any future issues."
Ye hard see what can be done.
Without someone being affected

Gaaforlife2023 (Longford) - Posts: 539 - 03/09/2024 16:39:01    2568271

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Replying To WmeathWarrior:  "This is a quite bizarre but entertaining scenario, for everyone apart from the Carrickedmond and Dromard Clubs. One team will be bitterly disappointed by the outcome. However, from looking at the tables and the standings at the end, head to heads, it looks like it's actually Clonguish Club that are the team extremely lucky to be advancing through. They have gone through on score difference between the teams and not overall points obtained from the teams on the level points. Something for the Longford County board to correct in the rule section.

Aside from that, the ruling for a "phantom point" scenario is that the only team that can object is Mullinalaghta. And the only other source that can change this outcome is the referee. Both Dromard and Carrickedmond have no say in the matter. Referee admits fault and Dromard go through. Referee doesn't admit fault, Mullinalaghta appeal and get the points, Dromard go through. Referee doesn't change and Mullinalaghta don't appeal, Dromard are out. Carrickedmond advance. Best of luck to all. Entertaining to follow."
Well summarised I can't see the ref in question admiting it maybe he will who knows but have doubts. How it works from there who knows

Gaaforlife2023 (Longford) - Posts: 539 - 03/09/2024 16:42:11    2568274

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Replying To eoinog:  "Am I correct in saying that both teams that drew go through?"
Yes, the ref miscalculated the score and both Mullinalaghta and Carrickedmond qualify with the draw. The correct score though should have been a one point win for Mullinalaghta which would see Carrickedmond eliminated and Dromard qualifying in their place. The group has been extremely tight the whole way through with numerous draws.

maximus02 (Longford) - Posts: 211 - 03/09/2024 16:51:41    2568276

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This is shaping up to go to the DRA , things could be delayed unfortunately. Hopefully not!

maximus02 (Longford) - Posts: 211 - 03/09/2024 17:02:46    2568278

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Why would a replay be ordered? While it may seem tough on Carrickedmond the simple fact of the matter is they did not score enough to win the game and lost it. An argument that they would have went for a goal if they knew there was 2 points in it is purely hypothetical. Who's to say they would have scored. The only thing that is certain is that they scored 11 points not 12! It would be more unfair on Dromard if they were put out of the championship by a point that was never scored. It's as simple as that.

hotspur (Longford) - Posts: 10 - 03/09/2024 17:06:52    2568279

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Replying To WmeathWarrior:  "This is a quite bizarre but entertaining scenario, for everyone apart from the Carrickedmond and Dromard Clubs. One team will be bitterly disappointed by the outcome. However, from looking at the tables and the standings at the end, head to heads, it looks like it's actually Clonguish Club that are the team extremely lucky to be advancing through. They have gone through on score difference between the teams and not overall points obtained from the teams on the level points. Something for the Longford County board to correct in the rule section.

Aside from that, the ruling for a "phantom point" scenario is that the only team that can object is Mullinalaghta. And the only other source that can change this outcome is the referee. Both Dromard and Carrickedmond have no say in the matter. Referee admits fault and Dromard go through. Referee doesn't admit fault, Mullinalaghta appeal and get the points, Dromard go through. Referee doesn't change and Mullinalaghta don't appeal, Dromard are out. Carrickedmond advance. Best of luck to all. Entertaining to follow."
Your point on Clonguish is actually very valid. I can see why a head to head when 2 teams are level is a good decider as no one else is involved but when 4 teams all end up on 5 pts because of all their results, I can't see then why they are not ranked on the basis of their scoring difference based on all results as well.

GAALONGFORD (Longford) - Posts: 34 - 03/09/2024 17:22:56    2568283

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The Longford Leader have said 'apparently Mullinalaghta have lodged an objection'. We will have to wait and see what happens next.

Spinx (Longford) - Posts: 1345 - 03/09/2024 18:11:56    2568291

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Replying To WmeathWarrior:  "This is a quite bizarre but entertaining scenario, for everyone apart from the Carrickedmond and Dromard Clubs. One team will be bitterly disappointed by the outcome. However, from looking at the tables and the standings at the end, head to heads, it looks like it's actually Clonguish Club that are the team extremely lucky to be advancing through. They have gone through on score difference between the teams and not overall points obtained from the teams on the level points. Something for the Longford County board to correct in the rule section.

Aside from that, the ruling for a "phantom point" scenario is that the only team that can object is Mullinalaghta. And the only other source that can change this outcome is the referee. Both Dromard and Carrickedmond have no say in the matter. Referee admits fault and Dromard go through. Referee doesn't admit fault, Mullinalaghta appeal and get the points, Dromard go through. Referee doesn't change and Mullinalaghta don't appeal, Dromard are out. Carrickedmond advance. Best of luck to all. Entertaining to follow."
Well if the bookeeping was right and no phantom point existed then you'd have Clonguish and Dromard level on 5 points and Clonguish ahead of them on head to head. So in reality Clonguish are well entitled to their place in the knockout stages. It was a fantastically entertaining group phase and really was a group of death its just a pity that this might overshadow all the good games that went before it

Clonbonnyrabbitt (Longford) - Posts: 40 - 03/09/2024 18:12:59    2568292

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Replying To maximus02:  "Yes, the ref miscalculated the score and both Mullinalaghta and Carrickedmond qualify with the draw. The correct score though should have been a one point win for Mullinalaghta which would see Carrickedmond eliminated and Dromard qualifying in their place. The group has been extremely tight the whole way through with numerous draws."
That has happened in a few games that I know of and some teams even had video evidence and because the ref would not admit he made a mistake that was it.Nothing could be done.

Alwaysencourage (Galway) - Posts: 370 - 03/09/2024 20:24:49    2568305

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Replying To TurnipAyter:  "The Louth-Meath final and Joe Sheridan's goal are also not relevant because it's not a question here of a disputed score; in this case the score very clearly never happened and the good-faith explanation is a calculation error. A referee's report is considered to be definitive in the absence of compelling evidence and in this case there is very clearly compelling evidence in the shape of a recording of the entire game by a neutral party."
That is exactly right. Objection has seemingly been raised by Mullinalaghta, so the compelling evidence in this case will now decide this case. The game will be awarded to Mullinalaghta, they will top the group with Abbeylara 2nd and Clonguish 3rd, and the quarter finals will be corrected to Killoe vs Dromard, Mullinalaghta vs Granard, Colmcille vs Clonguish and Abbeylara vs Rathcline, in line with the rules of the competition.

It's tough on Carrickedmond, but the fault lies with the referee and officials on the day who lost control of score keeping in a game which Mullinalaghta can categorically be proven to have won by a point. Anyone can make a mistake so if the ref holds his hands up then fair enough, but if the referee's report doesn't reflect any error made, there needs to be a separate investigation into that, or it will happen again.

LongfordgaaAbú (Longford) - Posts: 580 - 03/09/2024 21:11:41    2568314

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Replying To Alwaysencourage:  "That has happened in a few games that I know of and some teams even had video evidence and because the ref would not admit he made a mistake that was it.Nothing could be done."
The game was on clubber so there is conclusive evidence of the error. Heard this evening that the referee has admitted his mistake and Mullinalaghta have put in an appeal. So it's going to the Longford GAA CCC to make a decision.

maximus02 (Longford) - Posts: 211 - 03/09/2024 22:22:12    2568322

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Any updates yet? Have Mullinaghta definitely appealed or is the county board/ccc in a position to just deal with it?

#Putitup (Longford) - Posts: 49 - 03/09/2024 22:46:19    2568328

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