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Second bad beating Aughawillian have taken in last two games, not a surprise really have been poor in last few yrs. Living on past glory.
Weaternpro (Leitrim) - Posts: 51 - 22/06/2024 14:12:43
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How can a big town like Drumshanbo throw out the rubbish we all saw last night? Doesn't bode well 4d rest of d County if this is the standard
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Replying To TJH: "How can a big town like Drumshanbo throw out the rubbish we all saw last night? Doesn't bode well 4d rest of d County if this is the standard" AG miles off a senior club, them and Carrigallen will go down to Div2 so fast their heads will spin. Would expect LG and AW to do just enough to stay up. AW do very well with be the numbers they have, LG should be showing more promise as they've fed a lot of players to county panels of late. Overall a lot of smaller teams seem to be hit with injuries and emigration and some clubs will be forced to amalgamate or face extinction in the near future.
In Div2 drumkeerin and Ballinaglera motoring well but expect MG to take the 2nd promotion spot. Thought kiltubrid and Annaduff would be up in 2nd/3rd but likely one or the other will be playing div3 league next year, both teams look to be a lot weaker than they were last year, look to be struggling with aforementioned issues. It's becoming a numbers game and it shows with the teams with 3 adults teams leading the way in both divs.
gaelsboy (Leitrim) - Posts: 534 - 23/06/2024 23:29:28
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Was the Kiltubrid v Aughnasheelin Division 2 game at the weekend abandoned?
JimmyNail (Leitrim) - Posts: 216 - 24/06/2024 21:18:50
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currently there just seems to be a massive gulf between the top 4 teams or so and all the rest. if AG and Carrigallen met say carrick mohill and fenagh in the championship it'd be an awful championship for them.
meathbasedfan (Leitrim) - Posts: 94 - 25/06/2024 11:49:18
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Replying To meathbasedfan: "currently there just seems to be a massive gulf between the top 4 teams or so and all the rest. if AG and Carrigallen met say carrick mohill and fenagh in the championship it'd be an awful championship for them." Look at the table and look at the score difference, Aughawillan have won 2 from 4 and are on -37, Mary's mohill and bmore all on +40s with fenagh a bit behind. Not good reading after only 4 games
Hatchetman76 (Leitrim) - Posts: 15 - 25/06/2024 12:18:44
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Replying To meathbasedfan: "currently there just seems to be a massive gulf between the top 4 teams or so and all the rest. if AG and Carrigallen met say carrick mohill and fenagh in the championship it'd be an awful championship for them." its up to these clubs to catch up so.
or do we want every club playing rubbish football all year?
TJH (Sligo) - Posts: 43 - 25/06/2024 12:40:03
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Replying To TJH: "its up to these clubs to catch up so.
or do we want every club playing rubbish football all year?" yeah totally up to those clubs.
meathbasedfan (Leitrim) - Posts: 94 - 25/06/2024 13:19:15
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Some clubs are under performing and have been for years, regardless of their numbers. Others, such as Aughawillan, are getting the last drop out of the talent that they have.
We have to face facts. The numbers are too diluted. We can and do produce talent but the football we play is too slow, too naive and hasn't changed much in 30 years.
Emigration is blamed. There's no doubt its a major contributor but we have to realise that's its not exactly like the emigration of the 80s and 90s where there was no choice but to go. Now, lads are, by and large, choosing to go. Who can blame them. We are expecting young men to share the same passion for the game as the people running clubs and the county board. Its fanciful. There are way more shows in town than 30 or 40 years ago.
The stats and data are there to work out what needs to happen in terms of amalgamations. Some clubs can see the writing on the wall and are doing it at underage. The county board needs to take a lead and do it properly. There are clubs big enough to stay on their own but we have too many small clubs. Change or die.
ThePowerhouse (Leitrim) - Posts: 135 - 25/06/2024 15:26:23
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Replying To ThePowerhouse: "Some clubs are under performing and have been for years, regardless of their numbers. Others, such as Aughawillan, are getting the last drop out of the talent that they have.
We have to face facts. The numbers are too diluted. We can and do produce talent but the football we play is too slow, too naive and hasn't changed much in 30 years.
Emigration is blamed. There's no doubt its a major contributor but we have to realise that's its not exactly like the emigration of the 80s and 90s where there was no choice but to go. Now, lads are, by and large, choosing to go. Who can blame them. We are expecting young men to share the same passion for the game as the people running clubs and the county board. Its fanciful. There are way more shows in town than 30 or 40 years ago.
The stats and data are there to work out what needs to happen in terms of amalgamations. Some clubs can see the writing on the wall and are doing it at underage. The county board needs to take a lead and do it properly. There are clubs big enough to stay on their own but we have too many small clubs. Change or die." Agreed. Too many one team clubs who struggle to be put out even one team, I get parish pride but the young lads going now don't have that same desire to get their rear ends handed to them week in week out... What enjoyment is to be got in that?? Dropping down to junior where you can and probably will lose to a 2nd team? All one club teams should be afforded the option of joining up with another neighbouring inter/junior club, maybe the current underage amalgamations should be trialed in some story of regional championship at adult level to see how it goes.
Never try, never know. All's I know is three current structures are not producing enough players that can compete, lost count of how many times we were found despite early promise shown, examples Laois div 3 final, Ross u20, Down minor semi final, need I go on
gaelsboy (Leitrim) - Posts: 534 - 25/06/2024 20:12:23
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Replying To ThePowerhouse: "Some clubs are under performing and have been for years, regardless of their numbers. Others, such as Aughawillan, are getting the last drop out of the talent that they have.
We have to face facts. The numbers are too diluted. We can and do produce talent but the football we play is too slow, too naive and hasn't changed much in 30 years.
Emigration is blamed. There's no doubt its a major contributor but we have to realise that's its not exactly like the emigration of the 80s and 90s where there was no choice but to go. Now, lads are, by and large, choosing to go. Who can blame them. We are expecting young men to share the same passion for the game as the people running clubs and the county board. Its fanciful. There are way more shows in town than 30 or 40 years ago.
The stats and data are there to work out what needs to happen in terms of amalgamations. Some clubs can see the writing on the wall and are doing it at underage. The county board needs to take a lead and do it properly. There are clubs big enough to stay on their own but we have too many small clubs. Change or die." Agreed. Too many one team clubs who struggle to be put out even one team, I get parish pride but the young lads going now don't have that same desire to get their rear ends handed to them week in week out... What enjoyment is to be got in that?? Dropping down to junior where you can and probably will lose to a 2nd team? All one club teams should be afforded the option of joining up with another neighbouring inter/junior club, maybe the current underage amalgamations should be trialed in some story of regional championship at adult level to see how it goes.
Never try, never know. All's I know is three current structures are not producing enough players that can compete, lost count of how many times we were found despite early promise shown, examples Laois div 3 final, Ross u20, Down minor semi final, need I go on
gaelsboy (Leitrim) - Posts: 534 - 26/06/2024 00:59:01
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Replying To meathbasedfan: "currently there just seems to be a massive gulf between the top 4 teams or so and all the rest. if AG and Carrigallen met say carrick mohill and fenagh in the championship it'd be an awful championship for them." Carrigallen and AG are intermediate can't meet st Marys, Mohill or Fenagh in championship.
Leitrimforliam (Leitrim) - Posts: 289 - 26/06/2024 08:41:44
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Replying To Leitrimforliam: "Carrigallen and AG are intermediate can't meet st Marys, Mohill or Fenagh in championship." thats correct, my bad.
meathbasedfan (Leitrim) - Posts: 94 - 26/06/2024 09:25:11
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Best of luck to Leitrim ladies this weekend against the Rassies. Hopefully a big crowd is in attendance as these girls are having a great year so far. Poor form by Leitrim GAA fixing a round Junior games for 1.00pm when the girls game is at 2.00pm. I know they are a separate entity to the LGFA and we have a tight enough schedule as is but surely games could have been pushed later or moved earlier to make sure the girls have full support on Sunday.
Leitrimforliam (Leitrim) - Posts: 289 - 28/06/2024 14:19:00
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Replying To Leitrimforliam: "Best of luck to Leitrim ladies this weekend against the Rassies. Hopefully a big crowd is in attendance as these girls are having a great year so far. Poor form by Leitrim GAA fixing a round Junior games for 1.00pm when the girls game is at 2.00pm. I know they are a separate entity to the LGFA and we have a tight enough schedule as is but surely games could have been pushed later or moved earlier to make sure the girls have full support on Sunday." I think the junior leagues were mostly meant to be finished by now but some game were deferred due to tailteann cup scheduling. As you say, they are different entities and neither board can predict how far their team will go, plus with the time of year, I do not think players would appreciate their league not getting finished out due to ladies football, in the past league games other than finals were often conceded if they were not played before championship started.
gaelsboy (Leitrim) - Posts: 534 - 28/06/2024 15:08:52
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We have three seriously strong teams in Fenagh, Ballinamore and St Mary's They could put it upto the best club teams in Longford/Cavan/Sligo on their day in my opinion. My favourite come the championship would be St Mary's but it could go anyway between the three of them.
No disrespect to Mohill as you have to go out and do it but they nearly one last years championship on muscle memory alone. St Mary's should be kicking themselves.
If Fenagh can't win a championship this year with the McCormacks in charge again I don't think they'll win one with this crop of players. There must be serious self-doubt creeping in there. They've added a few very good young players this year and they should have Oisin McLoughlin back so they have all the ability in the world to go and win it.
St Mary's have the squad depth, all the managerial know-how and all the athleticism but the reality is do they have an out and out forward who is going to go and win them a championship? That's what separated Mohill/Willies from the rest in the last 10 years (They each had 2/3 men who guaranteed scores). Jack Casey looks electric at times but can he be a reliable score taker? Keaney is excellent from frees but does he have the leadership to drive a team on. Young Lowe will be up on their senior panel this year - it might be a year or two early for him but theres no doubt they need to find a few top quality inside forwards as Ballinamore, Fenagh and Mohill have them.
Ballinamore are a serious proposition this year if they can get a good defensive plan in place. The addition of Honeyman could really take them to the next level although not having Niall McGovern available will be a huge loss.
We've also seen Cathal McHugh break through to the senior team this year. They have an extraordinary amount of players who have played senior or u20 for Leitrim in the past few years although emigration has hurt them. I still think their back 6 is an issue. Especially at 6 and 3.
Mohill are Mohill, If Keith Beirne and Reynolds come back from the States in good shape and in the headspace to play football with no other distractions they can challenge anyone but their conveyor belt of players has started to wind down for whatever reason. The likes of Shane Quinn and that generation are now in their 30s and are still their most important players. Not ruling them out by any means as they are the best team Mohill have ever produced but I'd be shocked if they won it this year.
Manor can rattle any team and in Sweeney, Maguire and McNulty they have three top quality players (and Dolan if he is fit) they also have great young players coming through but they don't have the depth/quality in other areas of the field at the moment.
Outside of those teams things look bleak.
That Aughawillan team who won three championships and who were arguably just as good as Mohill in the last 10 years is coming to its end and along with emigration and long-term injuries they seem to be falling off a cliff. As happens when a successful team is coming to an end and without strong leadership there's talk of a lot on in-fighting between them which is a shame as my own club and many others in the county could learn about 'making the most of what you have' from them. When its really analysed it goes against all conventional thinking what they've been able to achieve with such few numbers to pick from.
Leitrim Gaels are a different issue - they have been decimated by emigration. That is their issue. Its a shame and must be so frustrating for their members as they developed a team which would no be one of the stronger in the county if they were all at home.
Allen Gaels isn't an emigration or anything like that issue - its just a club that can never get their act together. Understandably they're struggling in their first year back in Division One but a big town team like that should be nowhere near as poor as they are. It's a cultural issue that has been there for years.
Amalgamations need to happen unfortunately.
Drumreilly for example will have to fold and join Aughawillan. The issue is how that change is managed. It's a minefield and could lead to a lot of bad blood if not handled correctly. In my eyes that's where the County Board need to step in and show leadership and help any club/community that are going to have to transition into another club.
Leitrim1234 (Leitrim) - Posts: 303 - 29/06/2024 01:26:18
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It is crazy to think we beat Louth easily in the championship not so long ago and look where they are now.
eslinchickenmaryland (Leitrim) - Posts: 194 - 29/06/2024 13:28:43
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Replying To eslinchickenmaryland: "It is crazy to think we beat Louth easily in the championship not so long ago and look where they are now." The Micky Harte effect?
Louth went through a bit of a rough patch there alright but at the end of the day they have 2 big towns with varied employment as well as being commuting distance from Dublin and Belfast, so they're better able to attract and keep young people than we ever will. We have a 2nd string of players that live abroad better than what's currently available to us.
It's always the way, no point whining about it, just make best efforts with the young lads that are around and willing. Also continue to work on conditioning, we are about 2 years into the 5 years we were behind other counties
gaelsboy (Leitrim) - Posts: 534 - 29/06/2024 14:20:58
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Replying To gaelsboy: "The Micky Harte effect?
Louth went through a bit of a rough patch there alright but at the end of the day they have 2 big towns with varied employment as well as being commuting distance from Dublin and Belfast, so they're better able to attract and keep young people than we ever will. We have a 2nd string of players that live abroad better than what's currently available to us.
It's always the way, no point whining about it, just make best efforts with the young lads that are around and willing. Also continue to work on conditioning, we are about 2 years into the 5 years we were behind other counties" We also need to stop making excuses. There's two big towns close to Leitrim, namely Sligo and Athlone that have varied employment for people at either end of the county, throw in Enniskillen and Mullingar as well. There's people commuting to Dublin from Leitrim every day. The players we have have never been better looked after in terms of facilities and coaching.
eslinchickenmaryland (Leitrim) - Posts: 194 - 29/06/2024 14:42:02
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Replying To eslinchickenmaryland: "We also need to stop making excuses. There's two big towns close to Leitrim, namely Sligo and Athlone that have varied employment for people at either end of the county, throw in Enniskillen and Mullingar as well. There's people commuting to Dublin from Leitrim every day. The players we have have never been better looked after in terms of facilities and coaching." True, there are some big towns near us, towns being the key word, the employment is not that varied, hospitals and a few factories that's mainly it, not very well paid jobs with progression or work from home opportunities so the youth are inclined to broaden their horizons. Facts not excuses.
Facilities have definitely improved yes, coaching I'm not so sure. There's some good young lads with good ideas coming through as coaches and GDOs but still a few dinosaurs that are opposed to change, progression and anything other than turning up and getting their few quid and going home again
gaelsboy (Leitrim) - Posts: 534 - 29/06/2024 22:34:32
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