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Forget about 9 or 11 a side competitions. They are useless for developing players
MylesNaGopaleen (Leitrim) - Posts: 16 - 05/03/2024 22:17:10 2530013 Link 0 |
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Exactly, played 9 a side for most of my youth then when was required to make the step up to senior and 15 a side couldnt cope with the lack of space.
TJH (Sligo) - Posts: 10 - 06/03/2024 09:17:54 2530033 Link 0 |
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Totally agree, also played mostly 9/11 a side at underage and it was a pain
gaelsboy (Leitrim) - Posts: 458 - 06/03/2024 10:35:36 2530047 Link 0 |
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Agree to a certain extent as someone who also played 9 and 11 until adult football.. Con - Not representive of the game and takes along time to adjust to the 15 aside as mentioned due to the lack of space. Pro - Some players don't develop until they are older. If they are not getting game time due to amalgamations, they will just drop off and stop playing. More chance of them sticking with it at their local club at 9/11 aside where they have more chance of game time. leitrimlad15 (Leitrim) - Posts: 65 - 06/03/2024 11:09:25 2530050 Link 0 |
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I agree that there are players that don't develop as quickly as others. An emphasis on their skills as opposed to just their current physique and consequently their influence on games should be the focus. Some players are brilliant at underage but their development plateaus even before they reach adulthood. The rest have caught up or that player was allowed to stagnate. We should be able to identify players, at any early age, that will develop into inter County players. Regardless, there should be a template and a minimum set of standards regarding what kids are being taught at club level. Whilst volunteers are vital to every club there should be a much greater involvement from the County regarding the standard of coaching. It shouldnt just be left to clubs. One example I can offer as to the disparity between coaching standards is an under 10 blitz I attended. The host club had one of their coaches reffing the game. He wasn't penalising his own team for picking the ball straight off the ground. When this was pointed out to him he said that they hadn't learnt how to do it yet! The game proceeded with his team allowed to pick it up and the visiting team doing it properly. Kids aren't stupid. They are competitive. They want to win. They know if a coach isn't up to it and that's from an early age. Throw a ball into a group of kids and they'll start a game. There's a winner and a loser. Some of those kids won't have any interest and if course that's fine. There are plenty of activities that will bring out the talent in a child. Sporting or otherwise. We need to get away from this notion that we can accommodate every child and that nobody loses. If the child wants to continue then that's no problem. There will be team's for them. That extends into adult level with junior b,c etc. That inclusion, however, cannot be to the detriment of players that are potential inter county standard. Having "development" panels is not enough. We need a higher standard of coaching at club level so that when they are picked they are hitting the ground running. As it stands, our football is too slow, too naive and harks back to how it was played 30 years ago. I'm struck by how often we are told that we played "nice" football. You don't win matches just by playing nice football. Did nice football have stop Carlow scoring that goal? Pragmatism would have stopped them. Instead, we have a lad getting sent off a week too late instead of when it actually mattered. We are not performing at our optimum regardless of our numbers. Amalgamations at underage are the answer. Set them in stone. By all means keep separate competitions for individual clubs but the target will be making it onto the main team. Kids will want to get onto this team regardless of how much mammy or daddy hate the neighbouring team! They'll soon change their tune. Our current system is too soft and failure is accepted. We are used to losing. We have plenty of people willing to validate our excuses. It does not and should not have to be like this. You can act professionally without having to be paid. We are the definition of insanity. If we don't wise up and change our mindset and our systems then it's only going to get worse. ThePowerhouse (Leitrim) - Posts: 104 - 07/03/2024 12:52:00 2530187 Link 0 |
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Great Post. No serious football team allows that Carlow goal to happen. We are not serious about our football in Leitrim. There is an apathy towards it, this can be seen by the attendance at matches, we talk about structures and coaching but some of the same people wont go to watch a game never mind get involved in coaching!! We need to get the right person in charge and the right structures and there is nothing stopping us becoming a county like a Clare, a Monaghan a Roscommon but it will take a lot of work. The templates are there to be copied. We don't have to reinvent the wheel. 3rdmidfielder (Australia) - Posts: 294 - 07/03/2024 17:01:44 2530212 Link 0 |
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Exactly. teams that have hammered us in recent years but will still likely never win an all ireland, not in the next 10 years anyway. it is not too much to ask of us to be a good div 3 team in 2 years and div 2 in 5, it is said apathy and naivety why we will likely end up 4th in div 4 again, year after year.
gaelsboy (Leitrim) - Posts: 458 - 07/03/2024 19:13:15 2530222 Link 1 |
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A division 2 team in five years is a bit if a stretch now. We need to start competing at u17 and u20 first before we can go anywhere. Last year was madness taking Barry Mc Nulty off the U20 team cuz we were playing New York. We prob would've won that game in Tuam is he was there, but no Andy knew better. Imagine the boost that would've given those lads to have in their heads that they bet Galway in their home patch. Were not Derry/Cavan/Roscommon they are competitive and have won underage provincial honours a plenty in last 10 years. County Board don't give a toss about progressing things. Proper Coaching Officer, like James Glancy is the right man for that job, they didn't want him to leave out of Roundtowers or Ballymun at all he was highly thought of in Dublin, but we have a dinosaur over ours who thinks sure we're doing everything.
Taytofoley83 (Leitrim) - Posts: 13 - 10/03/2024 20:10:57 2530649 Link 0 |
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A stretch for us yet, others have went up that much in same time and stayed there, it is like you said our CB do not care much about progression and spending money in right places, just content with the occasional win v div 4 teams in league and tailteann cup and smiling for the pictures at the start of every season as if it will end up any different to another. promotion is no completely gone for us but would take a massive effort as well as other result to go our way. gaelsboy (Leitrim) - Posts: 458 - 11/03/2024 12:52:30 2530736 Link 1 |
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What are our chances against Galway next Wednesday in the U20 ? masseyferguson (Leitrim) - Posts: 96 - 12/03/2024 11:15:31 2530873 Link 1 |
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Glancy definitely not the man for the job. Has walked away from every position he had at club and county.
Thejampot (Leitrim) - Posts: 255 - 12/03/2024 13:50:03 2530910 Link 0 |
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Has he really, maybe he walked away from the one with the seniors because of the sham set up..... I don't know but you could speculate that he seen it was going nowhere. He set up Manor ladies to start there domination got the work all done then walked away when they were on top work was done. Can you clarify where he walked away from otherwise
Taytofoley83 (Leitrim) - Posts: 13 - 12/03/2024 18:35:28 2530945 Link 0 |
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Well his home club. The coaching and development officer job that he had with leitrim ( mabe you didn't know he had been there). The leitrim setup and most recently the longford setup. And that's just a few. Not the kind of person ya want to be bringing in to solve problems.
Thejampot (Leitrim) - Posts: 255 - 12/03/2024 19:46:11 2530951 Link 0 |
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He left both Leitrim and Longford as have other members of both management teams including Morans mate and assistant. Won 2 O'Byrne cups With Longford. Has coached with his club for years and I'd say is still helping out. As for leaving the Leitrim underage coach role my opinion is he tried to change things for the better as his experience in Dublin working with various clubs would mean he knew what he was at but unfortunately the head of coaching wasn't listening so why would you stay if your ideas and experience are not listened to. Leitrim made a huge mistake by letting Glancy go
lugdrum (Leitrim) - Posts: 315 - 12/03/2024 20:30:51 2530962 Link 4 |
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As lugdrum said he was in the coaching officer ( I was aware he was there, they made it nearly impossible for him to remain there) and tried to make changes to how the underage were being developed but that was a non runner as he wasn't being listened to so there was no point in staying there, that should've been a sign to the rest of us that the county board don't give a crap about development of our younger players. Just pump money into the senior team and forget about the rest. But anyways a serious sit down is needed were all Leitrim people and want to be proud of the team, in Dessie Dolans Tenure they were super Competitive why was that....... it was backboned by the 1998 team, Mc Keon, Mc Guinnes, Mick Foley, Mc Cluskey that's kinda the blueprint of how to be properly competitive. Remember the games in Pairc Sean back then the place was hopping Mayo scraped out in 2006 by a point and got to the All Ireland Final, Donegal, Meath the place was hopping. What do we have now a couple of hundred people going to watch horrible football with boys who are giving it all they have but the style or skill levels ain't there.
Taytofoley83 (Leitrim) - Posts: 13 - 13/03/2024 20:35:49 2531065 Link 0 |
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Pairc Sean was certainly back hopping in the day. What great days they were even though we didn't win many. Taking Donegal to extra time with a late minute James Glancy volley to draw the game at full time. Taking Meath to extra time, mayo scraping by after Maxwell came on and gave a ten minute cameo after a knee operation to almost win it. leitrim4sam (Leitrim) - Posts: 644 - 14/03/2024 12:35:01 2531122 Link 0 |
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Any word on team for Saturday,probably an opportunity to have a look at some lads before Sligo. lecture250 (Leitrim) - Posts: 120 - 14/03/2024 20:30:18 2531172 Link 0 |
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Really has been little to no talk around the county on tomorrows game. Seems everyone believes we are doomed to stay in division 4 for another year. Leitrimforliam (Leitrim) - Posts: 240 - 15/03/2024 08:20:41 2531201 Link 4 |
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i think we'll sneak a win. Laois could put out a few fringe players for game time. meathbasedfan (Leitrim) - Posts: 65 - 15/03/2024 14:06:59 2531255 Link 0 |