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Replying To Leitrimforliam:  "This is coming from a player who was at the session on Friday night that I spoke directly with. Possibly this scenario could change come spring and one of the selectors will take the u20s. But as it stands now Moran is over the u20's and they are training collectively with the seniors. I am aware though that no panel has been picked for u20 and only certain players have been called in as of yet."
Yeah, It will be Moran and Co. over the under 20s you are 100 percent right.

Which is no harm as they'll get great coaching especially with Mickey Graham involved now etc.

Would have liked to have seen them call in a young Leitrim coach to assist with the U20s to learn from the like's of Moran/Graham etc. (Although Barry MCWeeney is a coach on the team)

Outside of Gary Donoghue (Tulsk), Padraig McGourty, James Glancy (Longofrd), Shane Ward (Derrygonnelly) and Ray Gilmartin/Adrian O Flynn (Templeogue in Dublin) We really don't have any Leitrim managers managing top senior teams.

We have a fair few managing an Junior and Intermediate level in Roscommon and Cavan.

Its a huge worry. Our clubs and County teams can't afford to keep paying crazy sums of money for journeymen coaches.
No team in the last 10 years to win a Leitrim senior championship has had a homegrown manager.

Leitrim Minors also have a very good coach (Karl Foley) who is also a Roscommon native - His selection policies have also caused a lot of 'debate' in the last few weeks.

Leitrim1234 (Leitrim) - Posts: 292 - 24/10/2023 10:04:36    2509978

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The training om Friday from what I was told was a senior training session. No u20 squad finalized yet. The new names that I've been told were at the training that were not involved with the seniors last year are Kieran Clancy (Melvin gaels), Conor Quinn, Ryan Cunningham. I was told other players involved as well but unfortunately I'd a few pints in me and can't remember who.

Leitrimforliam (Leitrim) - Posts: 179 - 24/10/2023 10:40:49    2509992

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Replying To Weaternpro:  "Martin Dolan had some success with St Joseph's ladies and did decent job with Kiltubrid"
When?

timeforachange (Leitrim) - Posts: 85 - 24/10/2023 12:39:01    2510033

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Replying To Terrysarmy:  "Good connaught draw for Leitrim will they rise to it or fall apart ? Big money being spent on management results are expected."
So much money spent that it seems none left to appoint U20 management team.

Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 3305 - 24/10/2023 13:03:11    2510047

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Replying To Weaternpro:  "Martin Dolan had some success with St Joseph's ladies and did decent job with Kiltubrid"
Dolan was with few clubs in leitrim and cavan as well as 2 county ladies teams. None of them job went well

Thejampot (Leitrim) - Posts: 247 - 24/10/2023 15:06:05    2510081

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Replying To Leitrim1234:  "Yeah, It will be Moran and Co. over the under 20s you are 100 percent right.

Which is no harm as they'll get great coaching especially with Mickey Graham involved now etc.

Would have liked to have seen them call in a young Leitrim coach to assist with the U20s to learn from the like's of Moran/Graham etc. (Although Barry MCWeeney is a coach on the team)

Outside of Gary Donoghue (Tulsk), Padraig McGourty, James Glancy (Longofrd), Shane Ward (Derrygonnelly) and Ray Gilmartin/Adrian O Flynn (Templeogue in Dublin) We really don't have any Leitrim managers managing top senior teams.

We have a fair few managing an Junior and Intermediate level in Roscommon and Cavan.

Its a huge worry. Our clubs and County teams can't afford to keep paying crazy sums of money for journeymen coaches.
No team in the last 10 years to win a Leitrim senior championship has had a homegrown manager.

Leitrim Minors also have a very good coach (Karl Foley) who is also a Roscommon native - His selection policies have also caused a lot of 'debate' in the last few weeks."
Karl Foley did a decent job yesterday and were unlucky in some games not to get over the line, however the way he selects a panel is just token gesture to the clubs. I was told that he held a trial recently which was very well attended (good sign) but some lads that attended only played a few mins that's not good enough and lads deserve a longer chance to prove themselves

Champotime18 (Leitrim) - Posts: 442 - 24/10/2023 19:46:04    2510129

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I noticed that Leitrim have been drawn to play Galway on 12th of Jan in the FBD league. That exact fixture last year was the catalyst for what was to come unfortunately. I also see London are in the comp this year. I suppose in short it's just an exhibition game in the dome where supporters can watch in a dry environment and weather will not dictate wheather the game is played or not.

Champotime18 (Leitrim) - Posts: 442 - 25/10/2023 13:33:24    2510236

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Replying To Champotime18:  "Karl Foley did a decent job yesterday and were unlucky in some games not to get over the line, however the way he selects a panel is just token gesture to the clubs. I was told that he held a trial recently which was very well attended (good sign) but some lads that attended only played a few mins that's not good enough and lads deserve a longer chance to prove themselves"
This is true. Young lads very disappointed not to get a proper crack at it. All saying the panel was picked before the trials.

We need a longer process to help develop lads, keep an extended panel for as long as possible, get them on proper S&C to ingrain it in them for the future. its only October, why cut panels now.

meathbasedfan (Leitrim) - Posts: 56 - 25/10/2023 14:52:19    2510260

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Replying To Champotime18:  "Karl Foley did a decent job yesterday and were unlucky in some games not to get over the line, however the way he selects a panel is just token gesture to the clubs. I was told that he held a trial recently which was very well attended (good sign) but some lads that attended only played a few mins that's not good enough and lads deserve a longer chance to prove themselves"
Guckian was very like this as well only selected players that he knew or if they played for St Marys. I know of one such case last year were a seriously good u20 player wasn't picked on the initial panel and there was no trials either. He'd played brilliantly in last years senior championship and still wasn't called even though players on the panel and other influential people in GAA circles in Leitrim had asked Guckian to bring him in. It wasn't until Moran was going to bring him in for training with the seniors was he called up and went on to become one of the standout players.

Leitrimforliam (Leitrim) - Posts: 179 - 25/10/2023 15:11:43    2510264

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Replying To meathbasedfan:  "This is true. Young lads very disappointed not to get a proper crack at it. All saying the panel was picked before the trials.

We need a longer process to help develop lads, keep an extended panel for as long as possible, get them on proper S&C to ingrain it in them for the future. its only October, why cut panels now."
Very true. Even for the lads that were not selected could have been given an S&C program and what ever pitch sessions there was between now and January. At least then you rising the bar for e.g 60 players 16-17 year olds in the county instead of 30. They might even find one or 2
Hidden gems that are really committed but maybe didn't perform well at the trial due to nervous or what ever reason. It also helps the clubs improve because suddenly a small rural club has 4 or 5 lads training for 2 months as part of a county team and will see the standards set and will hopefully carry on that standard into there own clubs. Leitrim football will never improve if it's a closed shop involving 5 or 6 clubs and management teams serving self interest.

Champotime18 (Leitrim) - Posts: 442 - 25/10/2023 15:50:22    2510282

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Replying To Leitrimforliam:  "The training om Friday from what I was told was a senior training session. No u20 squad finalized yet. The new names that I've been told were at the training that were not involved with the seniors last year are Kieran Clancy (Melvin gaels), Conor Quinn, Ryan Cunningham. I was told other players involved as well but unfortunately I'd a few pints in me and can't remember who."
Surely they will do trials for u20 this year so many young talents that aren't getting looked at for that team there is so many young lads for Leitrim Gaels and Allen Gaels that would be well able for that team

Honeyman2000 (Leitrim) - Posts: 12 - 25/10/2023 18:29:55    2510322

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Replying To Honeyman2000:  "Surely they will do trials for u20 this year so many young talents that aren't getting looked at for that team there is so many young lads for Leitrim Gaels and Allen Gaels that would be well able for that team"
I agree with the importance of giving players an opportunity to play for the county and it is very encouraging that so many players are interested at all grades.

However,I would be very surprised if many talented players are being over looked.

joeman123 (Leitrim) - Posts: 414 - 26/10/2023 10:14:01    2510368

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Replying To joeman123:  "I agree with the importance of giving players an opportunity to play for the county and it is very encouraging that so many players are interested at all grades.

However,I would be very surprised if many talented players are being over looked."
Couldn't agree more.

As the age grades go up towards senior theres no real players forgotten about/missed especially at U20/Senior level as we have such a small pool of players to pick from its hard to miss any standout players.

The debate the other posters seem to be having is a wider debate on the role of development squads etc. in all counties. Its hard to know what is the best way to progress. In a small county like ours we probably should be doing more to give the best opportunities to as many players as possible.
However, Clubs also need to take some accountability for the standard of coaching they are offerings young players - A lot of the time in Leitrim its just not up to scratch.

The gripe I had with the U17 management was that they had a base of a squad from previous development panels from the last few years (but a few players had slipped through the net due to Covid etc.) and that their was a round of U17 games on a Saturday, Trials on the Sunday morning and the squad was picked by the Monday evening. I know the management have been at games assessing players but they could have had a few more mornings/evenings of Trials to really allow players to put their best foot forward.
We need to get as many players as possible at this age on suitable S&C plans and get as good as coaching as possible if we are going to progress going forward.

Leitrim1234 (Leitrim) - Posts: 292 - 26/10/2023 11:51:30    2510404

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Replying To Leitrim1234:  "Couldn't agree more.

As the age grades go up towards senior theres no real players forgotten about/missed especially at U20/Senior level as we have such a small pool of players to pick from its hard to miss any standout players.

The debate the other posters seem to be having is a wider debate on the role of development squads etc. in all counties. Its hard to know what is the best way to progress. In a small county like ours we probably should be doing more to give the best opportunities to as many players as possible.
However, Clubs also need to take some accountability for the standard of coaching they are offerings young players - A lot of the time in Leitrim its just not up to scratch.

The gripe I had with the U17 management was that they had a base of a squad from previous development panels from the last few years (but a few players had slipped through the net due to Covid etc.) and that their was a round of U17 games on a Saturday, Trials on the Sunday morning and the squad was picked by the Monday evening. I know the management have been at games assessing players but they could have had a few more mornings/evenings of Trials to really allow players to put their best foot forward.
We need to get as many players as possible at this age on suitable S&C plans and get as good as coaching as possible if we are going to progress going forward."
If someone was missed,perhaps common sense will prevail and they can still be given a chance to get in.

joeman123 (Leitrim) - Posts: 414 - 26/10/2023 12:27:14    2510420

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Replying To joeman123:  "I agree with the importance of giving players an opportunity to play for the county and it is very encouraging that so many players are interested at all grades.

However,I would be very surprised if many talented players are being over looked."
I'd disagree there tbh maybe previously in years gone by all the best players are selected but in the past 3-4 years of minor/u20 panels I've seen plenty of great players not picked. Just last year for instance Cian Sammon, conor canning, the Hackett lad from Carrigallen all weren't picked. These lads are standout performers for their club teams. I think these u20 panels are being picked on ''well that lads been with us since u14 development squad'' instead of actually looking at who is starting for their Senior club teams. I really disliked Guckian over the u20 team I believe he was really biased towards picking St Marys lads. Some of these lad's were only just starting for St Marys Junior A team in championship but were on the squad ahead of boyos that were leading men for their clubs senior teams. I welcome Andy and the lads taking the reigns cause every year no matter which club the manager is from he will obvs bring all of his club players onto the squad. I've seen it happen with my own club when a lad from our club was over u16/minor a few years back. It's just wrong though.

Leitrimforliam (Leitrim) - Posts: 179 - 26/10/2023 12:39:57    2510426

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Replying To Leitrimforliam:  "I'd disagree there tbh maybe previously in years gone by all the best players are selected but in the past 3-4 years of minor/u20 panels I've seen plenty of great players not picked. Just last year for instance Cian Sammon, conor canning, the Hackett lad from Carrigallen all weren't picked. These lads are standout performers for their club teams. I think these u20 panels are being picked on ''well that lads been with us since u14 development squad'' instead of actually looking at who is starting for their Senior club teams. I really disliked Guckian over the u20 team I believe he was really biased towards picking St Marys lads. Some of these lad's were only just starting for St Marys Junior A team in championship but were on the squad ahead of boyos that were leading men for their clubs senior teams. I welcome Andy and the lads taking the reigns cause every year no matter which club the manager is from he will obvs bring all of his club players onto the squad. I've seen it happen with my own club when a lad from our club was over u16/minor a few years back. It's just wrong though."
I agree completely with what you're saying @LeitrimforLiam. Squads being selected without trials. Manager supposedly choosing players from in game performance, yet only going to watch games that suit him. Honestly how can a fair selection be made?

GAA.man0_9_4 (Leitrim) - Posts: 3 - 26/10/2023 14:22:55    2510469

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Replying To GAA.man0_9_4:  "I agree completely with what you're saying @LeitrimforLiam. Squads being selected without trials. Manager supposedly choosing players from in game performance, yet only going to watch games that suit him. Honestly how can a fair selection be made?"
I do think the standard of players and pool of players to select from has become much larger. I myself a few years ago was starting on development squads and I look at young lads in my club now who can't get on these squads today but being completely honest they are better footballers than I was. This is down to the skill level improving in Leitrim which is a good thing. But they need to have more fair and open process for selection. Open trials that should go on for more than 1 trial match. More like a few weeks of trials, training etc. As you said the panel should be 40 players plus and then have the option outside of that for players who didn't make the squad to be able to avail of S&C coaching and invitation into A vs B game. I agree with that as well I go to the majority of my clubs u15/u17 games and have yet to see any county official at these games.

Leitrimforliam (Leitrim) - Posts: 179 - 26/10/2023 14:56:42    2510476

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Replying To Leitrimforliam:  "I do think the standard of players and pool of players to select from has become much larger. I myself a few years ago was starting on development squads and I look at young lads in my club now who can't get on these squads today but being completely honest they are better footballers than I was. This is down to the skill level improving in Leitrim which is a good thing. But they need to have more fair and open process for selection. Open trials that should go on for more than 1 trial match. More like a few weeks of trials, training etc. As you said the panel should be 40 players plus and then have the option outside of that for players who didn't make the squad to be able to avail of S&C coaching and invitation into A vs B game. I agree with that as well I go to the majority of my clubs u15/u17 games and have yet to see any county official at these games."
Talk to your club man TK. He's has all the power with under age and who he wanted as coaches for a numberof years. No one is more to blame than him for us been so far behind every other county at under age

Thejampot (Leitrim) - Posts: 247 - 26/10/2023 18:59:44    2510536

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Replying To Leitrimforliam:  "I do think the standard of players and pool of players to select from has become much larger. I myself a few years ago was starting on development squads and I look at young lads in my club now who can't get on these squads today but being completely honest they are better footballers than I was. This is down to the skill level improving in Leitrim which is a good thing. But they need to have more fair and open process for selection. Open trials that should go on for more than 1 trial match. More like a few weeks of trials, training etc. As you said the panel should be 40 players plus and then have the option outside of that for players who didn't make the squad to be able to avail of S&C coaching and invitation into A vs B game. I agree with that as well I go to the majority of my clubs u15/u17 games and have yet to see any county official at these games."
What I am readingin in these posts is; at underage the standard has improved and more talent is available.

However not enough players are getting an opportunity to be selected.

Assuming ever manager wants the best AVAILABLE
players in the county, I think this problem is solvable.

joeman123 (Leitrim) - Posts: 414 - 26/10/2023 19:02:08    2510537

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The new Leitrim jersey doesn't look great. A big red sponsor with the green and yellows colours

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2740 - 28/10/2023 09:59:33    2510714

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