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Replying To Seanfanbocht: "At least ye have a Centre. We've got a field." We have 2 fields and small car parking area. It's just might!!!!
Thejampot (Leitrim) - Posts: 258 - 29/09/2023 12:57:36
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You just proved my point even more and ya dont realise it. We settled for any sort of COE and as you said sufficient pitchs and dressing rooms. Sufficient for what? County training!!! Well results speak for themselves. Not that much improvement there.
And Clubs have to contribute to that without choice.
Thejampot (Leitrim) - Posts: 258 - 29/09/2023 13:43:12
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Replying To Square_B: "What projects are you talking about that's 'not fit for purpose'? Surely not the COE? The fact we have any sort of COE is better than no COE... the sort of COE people would want would cost more than Leitrim could ever afford. There's pitches & dressing rooms which is more than sufficent for what we can afford to keep. My understanding is that it cost 2 million all in. Surely not the stand at Pairc Sean? Do you even realise how much a similar stand would cost now? Building it for 3 million sounds like a steal given it would probably cost twice or three times that now. There's 5 million in capital expenditure in the last 15 years or so that wasn't all borrowed and had to be fundraised. We didn't go off and be wreckless like other counties around us. I'd be more concerned about the current expenditure on the senior team than any of the projects above but whether you like it or not, clubs have to contribute and as I've already pointed out, they will never be able to contribute the full cost so the rest has to be fundraised... which is not an easy job." Agree with you.Your comments are on the button.
Those posters making outrageous comments about the COE and Pairc Sean are may off the mark.
The COE is used by the development groups and some clubs.
It is the envy of many neighbouring counties.
The surface in Pairc Sean needs doing and I understand funds have been approved for it by Croke Park.By the way a lot of games in Connacht had to be postponed are abandoned on Sunday last.
Why do some posters come on here week after week spouting negatively about EVERYONE and EVERYTHING?
Why not acknowledge the achievements, reasonably good grounds across the county, a top class county COE, success at u16 and U15 this year.
A very motivated senior squad.
Good interest in the championships .
joeman123 (Leitrim) - Posts: 489 - 29/09/2023 13:47:21
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Replying To joeman123: "Agree with you.Your comments are on the button.
Those posters making outrageous comments about the COE and Pairc Sean are may off the mark.
The COE is used by the development groups and some clubs.
It is the envy of many neighbouring counties.
The surface in Pairc Sean needs doing and I understand funds have been approved for it by Croke Park.By the way a lot of games in Connacht had to be postponed are abandoned on Sunday last.
Why do some posters come on here week after week spouting negatively about EVERYONE and EVERYTHING?
Why not acknowledge the achievements, reasonably good grounds across the county, a top class county COE, success at u16 and U15 this year.
A very motivated senior squad.
Good interest in the championships ." Here is something that will suit you joeman123. Look up the ostrich effect
Thejampot (Leitrim) - Posts: 258 - 29/09/2023 14:10:35
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Replying To Thejampot: "Here is something that will suit you joeman123. Look up the ostrich effect" Facts by friend, facts.!!!
joeman123 (Leitrim) - Posts: 489 - 29/09/2023 14:33:59
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Replying To Thejampot: "You just proved my point even more and ya dont realise it. We settled for any sort of COE and as you said sufficient pitchs and dressing rooms. Sufficient for what? County training!!! Well results speak for themselves. Not that much improvement there.
And Clubs have to contribute to that without choice." Clubs were sold the idea too that they could get use of COE pitches. My own club has enquired consistently over the past 3 years about getting the odd training session this time of year when its starting to get dark in the evenings. Every time we were turned down. Can't imagine now that the county teams are doing any pitch sessions so why cant it be made available.
Leitrimforliam (Leitrim) - Posts: 262 - 29/09/2023 14:40:08
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Replying To joeman123: "Agree with you.Your comments are on the button.
Those posters making outrageous comments about the COE and Pairc Sean are may off the mark.
The COE is used by the development groups and some clubs.
It is the envy of many neighbouring counties.
The surface in Pairc Sean needs doing and I understand funds have been approved for it by Croke Park.By the way a lot of games in Connacht had to be postponed are abandoned on Sunday last.
Why do some posters come on here week after week spouting negatively about EVERYONE and EVERYTHING?
Why not acknowledge the achievements, reasonably good grounds across the county, a top class county COE, success at u16 and U15 this year.
A very motivated senior squad.
Good interest in the championships ." I think people complain because football in this county is going nowhere. In fact I think were declining. This county board all they want to do is be seen at games, do their wee speech, hand out a cup, collect their pay packet and speed off into the sunset. They look after themselves and the clubs they are affiliated with. They chop and change the rules consistently to the wish of the bigger clubs. There's small rural clubs in this county dying and and the CB is doing **** all to help and in some cases they actions of the CB is a direct reason why they are struggling. That my friend is why some give out about the CB, depending on the club you are in you might not notice it but I do.
Leitrimforliam (Leitrim) - Posts: 262 - 29/09/2023 14:48:23
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Replying To joeman123: "Facts by friend, facts.!!!" Tell me 1 thing I said that was not true so. I asked you 1 question and you didn't answer it at all.
Thejampot (Leitrim) - Posts: 258 - 29/09/2023 15:17:28
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Replying To Leitrimforliam: "I think people complain because football in this county is going nowhere. In fact I think were declining. This county board all they want to do is be seen at games, do their wee speech, hand out a cup, collect their pay packet and speed off into the sunset. They look after themselves and the clubs they are affiliated with. They chop and change the rules consistently to the wish of the bigger clubs. There's small rural clubs in this county dying and and the CB is doing **** all to help and in some cases they actions of the CB is a direct reason why they are struggling. That my friend is why some give out about the CB, depending on the club you are in you might not notice it but I do." Collect their pay packet? Please tell me more. I was of the opinion that it was all voluntary.
eoinog (Sligo) - Posts: 1808 - 29/09/2023 15:45:33
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Replying To Thejampot: "You just proved my point even more and ya dont realise it. We settled for any sort of COE and as you said sufficient pitchs and dressing rooms. Sufficient for what? County training!!! Well results speak for themselves. Not that much improvement there.
And Clubs have to contribute to that without choice." Proved your point! You're all over place and to be honest coming across quite nieve about how much these things cost and where the money comes from to fund and maintain these facilities. If you know someone with a magic money tree send them on over to Pairc Sean. Dublin GAA are getting ready to spend nearly 7milion on a COE that will have 4 pitches and a clubhouse for the all the county teams of Dublin. A few pitches and dressing rooms is more than sufficent for Leitrim. A COE was never designed to be used by clubs in the main... it's for our county teams so they don't have to be using different club pitches every week and / or Pairc Sean.
Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 886 - 29/09/2023 16:07:24
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My thoughts on this years club championships:
1- too many teams in each grade:
Aughnasheelin
Dromahair
Gortlettragh
These clubs are not senior standard. And are junior standard in the Galway/mayo club scene
Bornacoola
Drumreilly
should be junior level for sure
2- intermediate is most competitive:
Whoever wins intermediate will have earned it. You can make a case for all 4 clubs left to win it outright and they will be our most competitive in Connacht.
3- the standard has improved
The standard has definitely gone up over the past 3-4 years. Compared to what it was before
4- loads of top class forwards, top class defenders are a rare breed
Gone are they days when we had the best full back line in Connacht, McKeon, Reynolds and McGuinness were unreal. Our forwards are plentiful now but top class defenders are at a low ebb. It will show in our county teams. Are coaches underage just coaching forward play?? County team have several players to contact in the forwards, not too many in defence
5- only a few clubs bringing up the standards:
The clubs with the big populations are progressing the rural clubs are below them. Senior champ even seems to have two levels between top clubs and the rest
6- nowhere near other counties standards:
Although standards have improved we are still way off senior, intermediate and junior club level in other counties. For example - Mayo junior or intermediate winners this year would win or progress far in our senior championship. Like the old Fianna Fáil slogan - a lot done a lot more to do
7- re-structure championships best way to go?
8 club senior
8 club intermediate
7 team junior
All first teams .
Teams second teams can progress to junior A champ over time but not get promoted and first teams fall to junior B if needed. Forcing clubs to improve to progress.
Still the only county in Connacht without a club title at any grade
leitrim4sam (Leitrim) - Posts: 653 - 29/09/2023 19:40:43
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Replying To Square_B: "Proved your point! You're all over place and to be honest coming across quite nieve about how much these things cost and where the money comes from to fund and maintain these facilities. If you know someone with a magic money tree send them on over to Pairc Sean. Dublin GAA are getting ready to spend nearly 7milion on a COE that will have 4 pitches and a clubhouse for the all the county teams of Dublin. A few pitches and dressing rooms is more than sufficent for Leitrim. A COE was never designed to be used by clubs in the main... it's for our county teams so they don't have to be using different club pitches every week and / or Pairc Sean." Well I never said any about cost. You keep bringing that up. My point is the CB always taking money from clubs to pay towards everything. They must think clubs have magic money trees( as you put it ). Clubs were promised the COE would be of benefit to all clubs in the county( not happened) has the county team improved from it ( No ). And clubs were told if pitches not playable this weekend game's could be moved to the COE in mayo ( cause our great one can host games ). No big impact for the Monday spent and comparing us to Dublin are doing is just daft
Thejampot (Leitrim) - Posts: 258 - 30/09/2023 09:26:15
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Replying To leitrim4sam: "My thoughts on this years club championships:
1- too many teams in each grade:
Aughnasheelin
Dromahair
Gortlettragh
These clubs are not senior standard. And are junior standard in the Galway/mayo club scene
Bornacoola
Drumreilly
should be junior level for sure
2- intermediate is most competitive:
Whoever wins intermediate will have earned it. You can make a case for all 4 clubs left to win it outright and they will be our most competitive in Connacht.
3- the standard has improved
The standard has definitely gone up over the past 3-4 years. Compared to what it was before
4- loads of top class forwards, top class defenders are a rare breed
Gone are they days when we had the best full back line in Connacht, McKeon, Reynolds and McGuinness were unreal. Our forwards are plentiful now but top class defenders are at a low ebb. It will show in our county teams. Are coaches underage just coaching forward play?? County team have several players to contact in the forwards, not too many in defence
5- only a few clubs bringing up the standards:
The clubs with the big populations are progressing the rural clubs are below them. Senior champ even seems to have two levels between top clubs and the rest
6- nowhere near other counties standards:
Although standards have improved we are still way off senior, intermediate and junior club level in other counties. For example - Mayo junior or intermediate winners this year would win or progress far in our senior championship. Like the old Fianna Fáil slogan - a lot done a lot more to do
7- re-structure championships best way to go?
8 club senior
8 club intermediate
7 team junior
All first teams .
Teams second teams can progress to junior A champ over time but not get promoted and first teams fall to junior B if needed. Forcing clubs to improve to progress.
Still the only county in Connacht without a club title at any grade" Well said
Club championship reorganisation a must
How is this to be initiated
joeman123 (Leitrim) - Posts: 489 - 30/09/2023 09:42:41
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mad that this has more views that the population of Leitrim
Whestofthewest (Clare) - Posts: 177 - 30/09/2023 10:16:27
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Replying To leitrim4sam: "My thoughts on this years club championships:
1- too many teams in each grade:
Aughnasheelin
Dromahair
Gortlettragh
These clubs are not senior standard. And are junior standard in the Galway/mayo club scene
Bornacoola
Drumreilly
should be junior level for sure
2- intermediate is most competitive:
Whoever wins intermediate will have earned it. You can make a case for all 4 clubs left to win it outright and they will be our most competitive in Connacht.
3- the standard has improved
The standard has definitely gone up over the past 3-4 years. Compared to what it was before
4- loads of top class forwards, top class defenders are a rare breed
Gone are they days when we had the best full back line in Connacht, McKeon, Reynolds and McGuinness were unreal. Our forwards are plentiful now but top class defenders are at a low ebb. It will show in our county teams. Are coaches underage just coaching forward play?? County team have several players to contact in the forwards, not too many in defence
5- only a few clubs bringing up the standards:
The clubs with the big populations are progressing the rural clubs are below them. Senior champ even seems to have two levels between top clubs and the rest
6- nowhere near other counties standards:
Although standards have improved we are still way off senior, intermediate and junior club level in other counties. For example - Mayo junior or intermediate winners this year would win or progress far in our senior championship. Like the old Fianna Fáil slogan - a lot done a lot more to do
7- re-structure championships best way to go?
8 club senior
8 club intermediate
7 team junior
All first teams .
Teams second teams can progress to junior A champ over time but not get promoted and first teams fall to junior B if needed. Forcing clubs to improve to progress.
Still the only county in Connacht without a club title at any grade" Spot on there with most of thar but I don't get this first team only thing. If we're trying to raise standards then let teams find their natural level. If, for example, St Mary's or Mohill 2nds are good enough for intermediate or junior A i.e. better than some club's first team then what's the problem? Decent players at the bigger clubs will lose interest if they have to play at a lower level.
I think we should look closely also at the Rossie experiment of putting regional teams made up of players from intermediate and junior teams into the SFC. Gives everyone a chance to play senior. I know there will be logistical issues etc. but at the same time there are clubs who we know will never play senior but have players of senior standard. Wouldn't it be great to see them get a shot at playing senior?
TheCartownBus2 (Leitrim) - Posts: 42 - 30/09/2023 10:52:02
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Replying To Thejampot: "Well I never said any about cost. You keep bringing that up. My point is the CB always taking money from clubs to pay towards everything. They must think clubs have magic money trees( as you put it ). Clubs were promised the COE would be of benefit to all clubs in the county( not happened) has the county team improved from it ( No ). And clubs were told if pitches not playable this weekend game's could be moved to the COE in mayo ( cause our great one can host games ). No big impact for the Monday spent and comparing us to Dublin are doing is just daft" This is like debating with a child.
You never mentioned anything about cost... you're complaining about clubs having to put up money to pay for facilities (which is a COST by the way). How else do you put facilities in place? Do they come for free or at top of a magic money tree or something like that? You're complaining about facilities not being up to scratch and I've pointed out that there's absolutely nothing wrong with what has been provided for the resources available to us. There's still counties that dont have a COE so we're not doing to bad on that front. And I've explained why clubs have to contribute and how much two projects have cost in the last 15 years, significant amounts of money that clubs in the county could never pay for without external fundraising. And then I went on to tell you how much Dublin are going to spend on a COE to do all their county teams (not clubs)... to cater for all the teams that they put out, development and so forth... a lot more teams to cater for than Leitrim would ever have to cater for. 4 pitches seems to be sufficent enough to cater for what they need.
The impact you're looking for from all this investment has to come from the individuals who make up the clubs in the county... the county team is only as good as the clubs that feed into it. A COE by itself isnt going to bring an improvement in standards. I have said here before that there's probably too many clubs in Leitrim and that ultimately there will be a shakeup in the next 10 years or so if trends keep going the way they are going. Clubs will have to come together or fold. That's the way I see it. I look at the likes of Drumreilly who have gone from Senior to Junior (League and looking like they'll be going to Junior A soon enough) in the last number of years. It's hard to see them back in Senior for a while... and they'll be doing well to keep a club going like many other rural clubs around them. Not sure what the county board (by itself) can do to stop young people from leaving the county or encourage people to have bigger families, so we're going to be up against it constantly.
Now if you still at this point don't understand all this, I can't help you.
Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 886 - 30/09/2023 12:53:08
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I'm still waiting for my answer on the pay packet?
eoinog (Sligo) - Posts: 1808 - 30/09/2023 12:58:41
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Replying To Square_B: "This is like debating with a child.
You never mentioned anything about cost... you're complaining about clubs having to put up money to pay for facilities (which is a COST by the way). How else do you put facilities in place? Do they come for free or at top of a magic money tree or something like that? You're complaining about facilities not being up to scratch and I've pointed out that there's absolutely nothing wrong with what has been provided for the resources available to us. There's still counties that dont have a COE so we're not doing to bad on that front. And I've explained why clubs have to contribute and how much two projects have cost in the last 15 years, significant amounts of money that clubs in the county could never pay for without external fundraising. And then I went on to tell you how much Dublin are going to spend on a COE to do all their county teams (not clubs)... to cater for all the teams that they put out, development and so forth... a lot more teams to cater for than Leitrim would ever have to cater for. 4 pitches seems to be sufficent enough to cater for what they need.
The impact you're looking for from all this investment has to come from the individuals who make up the clubs in the county... the county team is only as good as the clubs that feed into it. A COE by itself isnt going to bring an improvement in standards. I have said here before that there's probably too many clubs in Leitrim and that ultimately there will be a shakeup in the next 10 years or so if trends keep going the way they are going. Clubs will have to come together or fold. That's the way I see it. I look at the likes of Drumreilly who have gone from Senior to Junior (League and looking like they'll be going to Junior A soon enough) in the last number of years. It's hard to see them back in Senior for a while... and they'll be doing well to keep a club going like many other rural clubs around them. Not sure what the county board (by itself) can do to stop young people from leaving the county or encourage people to have bigger families, so we're going to be up against it constantly.
Now if you still at this point don't understand all this, I can't help you." Again you reply without reading messages. Again you bring up cost. I said about CB constantly take money from clubs. Would you be happy with your boss taken money from your wages so he could build a big garage for himself. Would be useful to him but not much use to you even though you paid for some of it if that not clear enough for you my child we will have to agree to disagree. Very much tunnel vision from you mabe your talking to joeman123 while he has his head stuck in the sand
Thejampot (Leitrim) - Posts: 258 - 30/09/2023 14:22:01
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Replying To Square_B: "This is like debating with a child.
You never mentioned anything about cost... you're complaining about clubs having to put up money to pay for facilities (which is a COST by the way). How else do you put facilities in place? Do they come for free or at top of a magic money tree or something like that? You're complaining about facilities not being up to scratch and I've pointed out that there's absolutely nothing wrong with what has been provided for the resources available to us. There's still counties that dont have a COE so we're not doing to bad on that front. And I've explained why clubs have to contribute and how much two projects have cost in the last 15 years, significant amounts of money that clubs in the county could never pay for without external fundraising. And then I went on to tell you how much Dublin are going to spend on a COE to do all their county teams (not clubs)... to cater for all the teams that they put out, development and so forth... a lot more teams to cater for than Leitrim would ever have to cater for. 4 pitches seems to be sufficent enough to cater for what they need.
The impact you're looking for from all this investment has to come from the individuals who make up the clubs in the county... the county team is only as good as the clubs that feed into it. A COE by itself isnt going to bring an improvement in standards. I have said here before that there's probably too many clubs in Leitrim and that ultimately there will be a shakeup in the next 10 years or so if trends keep going the way they are going. Clubs will have to come together or fold. That's the way I see it. I look at the likes of Drumreilly who have gone from Senior to Junior (League and looking like they'll be going to Junior A soon enough) in the last number of years. It's hard to see them back in Senior for a while... and they'll be doing well to keep a club going like many other rural clubs around them. Not sure what the county board (by itself) can do to stop young people from leaving the county or encourage people to have bigger families, so we're going to be up against it constantly.
Now if you still at this point don't understand all this, I can't help you." Again you reply without reading messages. Again you bring up cost. I said about CB constantly take money from clubs. Would you be happy with your boss taken money from your wages so he could build a big garage for himself. Would be useful to him but not much use to you even though you paid for some of it if that not clear enough for you my child we will have to agree to disagree. Very much tunnel vision from you mabe your talking to joeman123 while he has his head stuck in the sand
Thejampot (Leitrim) - Posts: 258 - 30/09/2023 14:22:07
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Replying To Thejampot: "Again you reply without reading messages. Again you bring up cost. I said about CB constantly take money from clubs. Would you be happy with your boss taken money from your wages so he could build a big garage for himself. Would be useful to him but not much use to you even though you paid for some of it if that not clear enough for you my child we will have to agree to disagree. Very much tunnel vision from you mabe your talking to joeman123 while he has his head stuck in the sand" Oh mother of god... I can't help you if you can't see why it is necessary to invest money in the county setup and the GAA in the county in general. Do you even have any idea how much it costs to run GAA in the county on a annual basis? If the clubs shouldn't be asked to contribute who else would you expect to? Would you be happy with county teams going round the place like paupers? Is that what you want? That you wouldn't want the best for club men & women representing their county tells me all I need to know about you. And there's lots like you round the place who want everything but won't pay for it. A fairly pathetic attidute to be honest.
Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 886 - 30/09/2023 15:43:02
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